Now, with the win, does cam will put in beck again ?

I don't think he does next week, maybe against the Bengals.

he should start the last week of the season. Cant have him start against the Patriots

probably not. Cam's still very much on the hotseat. If he could win another game, then he at least has a case worth sticking with.

Cleo gets rewarded for taking care of the ball and finishes the year out as starter. Cam wanted to sit Beck all year anyways. I think the next time we see him is in the preseason. JMO

Beck isn't ready.

Start him next year and bring in a viable veteran to guide the team if he can't cut it.

It wasn't Cameron's idea to start Beck in the first place.

Beck may see time against the Bengals, but I don't think he'll start.

imo you start cleo against the pats, in the odd chance we can upset them...

then start beck against cincy to close out the season

god has any 1 win EVER felt so good???

I don't want to see Beck in until next year..

"Phin-o-rama wrote:

imo you start cleo against the pats, in the odd chance we can upset them...

then start beck against cincy to close out the season

god has any 1 win EVER felt so good???

Could be just as good or better if we win next week :thumbup:

Lemon needs to be re-signed. its obvious he can play, he had a few bad games but the guy CAN play. hes what, a 3rd or 4th year guy? he'd be an excellent backup, or ya never know...starter. just look at Derek Anderson.

if Lemon leaves next year, whos gonna play? Beck isnt ready. Green has to retire. a veteran may not be so good, u cant draft and start another rookie. they NEED to re-sign him and im sure Lemon knows that, so he'll probably ask for big money too since its a NEED.

also Greg Camarillo....i thought nothing of him until today. with Marty Booker, Lorenzo Booker, Ted Ginn, Greg Camarillo....perhaps we dont need to sign or draft another receiver, just a tight end. unless Marty goes, u can sign someone like bryant johnson

Let Cleo start the rest of the season. Give beck a few series as on the job training. Set up Beck to win in the future, we aren't going to be able to project anything with just two games left.

"Carabinieri44 wrote:

Lemon needs to be re-signed. its obvious he can play, he had a few bad games but the guy CAN play. hes what, a 3rd or 4th year guy? he'd be an excellent backup, or ya never know...starter. just look at Derek Anderson.

if Lemon leaves next year, whos gonna play? Beck isnt ready. Green has to retire. a veteran may not be so good, u cant draft and start another rookie. they NEED to re-sign him and im sure Lemon knows that, so he'll probably ask for big money too since its a NEED.

also Greg Camarillo....i thought nothing of him until today. with Marty Booker, Lorenzo Booker, Ted Ginn, Greg Camarillo....perhaps we dont need to sign or draft another receiver, just a tight end. unless Marty goes, u can sign someone like bryant johnson

I don't think we need a TE either... PEELE has definitely shown he has the talent and ability to fill the position if you ask me...

Miss Cleo starts against the patsys

"FINintheMOON wrote:

I don't think we need a TE either... PEELE has definitely shown he has the talent and ability to fill the position if you ask me...

Peelle IS good, but hes still the 2nd TE on our depth chart. David Martin can catch, but he cant block for shiz. itd be nice to draft a TE to be our 2nd one. I do like Peelle, even Halterman can be a 2nd TE.

im just having trouble now figuring out what this offense needs this off-season. Ginn, LBooker, Hagan, Camarillo seem to be a good WR corps (inconsistent, but GOOD)....Peelle and Martin being a backup at TE....then Ronnie/Jesse/Ricky at RB, and Lemon and Beck at QB.....Carey/Lekkerkerker or Mormino/Satele/Hadnot/Shelton.....what exactly do we need to draft on offense???? perhaps sign Max Starks to take Sheltons spot, and thats it?

i wish our offense was more consistent. those guys HAVE potential, they are just so inconsistent. i used to rant about needing offensive firepower this draft, but after today it seems like we have that down....maybe we just need some OL.

"Carabinieri44 wrote:

Lemon needs to be re-signed. its obvious he can play, he had a few bad games but the guy CAN play. hes what, a 3rd or 4th year guy? he'd be an excellent backup, or ya never know...starter. just look at Derek Anderson.

if Lemon leaves next year, whos gonna play? Beck isnt ready. Green has to retire. a veteran may not be so good, u cant draft and start another rookie. they NEED to re-sign him and im sure Lemon knows that, so he'll probably ask for big money too since its a NEED.

also Greg Camarillo....i thought nothing of him until today. with Marty Booker, Lorenzo Booker, Ted Ginn, Greg Camarillo....perhaps we dont need to sign or draft another receiver, just a tight end. unless Marty goes, u can sign someone like bryant johnson

Listen, I know we're all high on today's win, but that doesn't mean this team is suddenly competitive, and that we're only a couple of players away from contention.

Nothing changes. We still need to rebuild the entirety of the defense. We still need an All-Pro TE, at least one offensive lineman, and two WRs.

Beck isn't ready this season. He'll be ready next season. Lemon will start in 2008 only by overwhelmingly winning a competition in training camp.

lemon gives us the best chance to win

Im all for Lemon as a back up, he is a capable back up. No need to can him if he wants to stay.

"Desides wrote:

Listen, I know we're all high on today's win, but that doesn't mean this team is suddenly competitive, and that we're only a couple of players away from contention.

Nothing changes. We still need to rebuild the entirety of the defense. We still need an All-Pro TE, at least one offensive lineman, and two WRs.

Beck isn't ready this season. He'll be ready next season. Lemon will start in 2008 only by overwhelmingly winning a competition in training camp.

oh i totally agree, man. first off im not high on Beck anyway, his age turns me off the most. Secondly i do think we need an All-Pro TE also, but Peelle can do the job for now...but hes certainly NOT all-pro.

our defense DOES need a total rebuild, and im sure the draft is gonna do just that. but WR??? u dont think Ginn/LBooker/Hagan/Camarillo can do the job??

"Carabinieri44 wrote:

first off im not high on Beck anyway, his age turns me off the most.

Beck will be 27 next year. Assuming he's the guy, that means we'll have a franchise QB for 10 years. What exactly is wrong with that?

our defense DOES need a total rebuild, and im sure the draft is gonna do just that. but WR??? u dont think Ginn/LBooker/Hagan/Camarillo can do the job??

No, I don't think the current cast of characters can get the job done. Ginn is a keeper; Lorenzo Booker should be converted to slot WR. Beyond those two, I see nothing. I was high on Hagan, but he's got all of Chambers' bad attributes and none of his good ones. Camarillo is a special teams guy. Marty Booker is out of here.

An All-Pro TE will take the pressure off the WRs, but we still need work in that area big-time.

i dont see many QBs playing in their prime around the ages of 34-38. i think if Beck is the guy, he will only be franchise QB for 6-7 years.

to me it looks like our OL needs the most help...Carey is a lock LT, Satele a lock at C, and id like to sign Max Starks for the right price at RT. then at Guard u have Liwenski, Mormino, Hadnot, Shelton, Toledo, Alabi, Lekkerkerker, Mrucscowski....8 guys competing for 2 OG spots. so is it necessary to draft or sign an OG?

cleo plays the rest of the year, let them compete for the job next year in camp

"Carabinieri44 wrote:

i dont see many QBs playing in their prime around the ages of 34-38. i think if Beck is the guy, he will only be franchise QB for 6-7 years.

He doesn't have to be in his prime in order to be effective. He can taper off beginning at about age 33 and he could still be our best QB since Marino.

to me it looks like our OL needs the most help...Carey is a lock LT, Satele a lock at C, and id like to sign Max Starks for the right price at RT. then at Guard u have Liwenski, Mormino, Hadnot, Shelton, Toledo, Alabi, Lekkerkerker, Mrucscowski....8 guys competing for 2 OG spots. so is it necessary to draft or sign an OG?

Hadnot has a good chance of leaving; neither Liwienski or Lekkerkerker are locks for a starting job next year. Shelton is very likely next year's RT. That leaves RG and LG open. If Mormino pans out, then one slot is open.

i didnt see the game, but i saw we gave up 5 sacks. was that the OL's fault? or was the defense putting too much pressure that not even the best OL coulda stopped? and did the sacks come from the outside (poor OT blocking) or inside (poor OG/C blocking)?

"Carabinieri44 wrote:

...Carey is a lock LT,

Not sure I agree. I think VC needs to move back where he is dominate and perhaps we can get a LT in either FA or a steal late rounder in the draft.