I got kicked off fin heaven in 2008 for getting a little nasty about the dolphins picking jake over ryan. Well I love jake I think he is the best left tackle in the game but you don't waste an opportunity to pass up on a franchise qb for a left tackle. I was watching last night and I just got pissed off what we could have had. When are we ever going to have that chance again it could be another 5 years.
While I believe the posters of this site have the class to refrain from a nasty flamewar the likes of which you speak, I don't think this thread will be a popular one. History might have seen you right, but this isn't going to be pretty.
Did you see Ryan play last year? Played kind of like Henne was this year (which is his 2nd year) and he had White, Gonzales etc... Just saying.
There is no doubt he is the real deal, but he wouldn't be the same here. Even when the Falcons had the lead they stayed very aggressive on offense. We would have been satisfied with giving the ball back and playing defense. If Henne fails to be the future, then yes you are 100% right.
i wanted ryan too but if your implication is henne is a bust you are way too premature. Henne is on pace to be our franchise QB. He's not there yet and he still has areas of his game to improve but he's progressing at the normal pace for young QBs. If the refs dont rob us in Pittsburgh he's probably still starting. The only reason he's being benched is because we have a seasoned vet, we're in the playoff hunt and every game is do or die. If this team would hve been able to carry Henne like the Jets did last year for Saanchez or the Ravens and Falcons were able to do for Ryan and Flacco in 2008, he would be starting. Unfortunately time ran out and our young team played like a young team in too many games so we had to go with the vet. This says nothing about his future, this is simply a case where we have decided to make a run for the playoffs rather than risk the season developing Henne. Henne will start 2011 regardless of how Pennington does this year imo
Really?!?!? I'm sorry, but Matt Ryan never got benched. Joe Flacco never got benched. Heck, Mark Sanchez never got benched. Henne got benched for a reason. He's just not that good.
Between the ignorant impatient fan base and the impatient knee jerk organization Ryan would have been ruined too if he were here.
Lol, you are so right.These guys don't want to see the truth.I will not include this year for ryan but in the previous 2 years he has had 38tds-25 int.Henne on the other hand 20 tds-24 int.Thier it is in black and white. How about 3 year total for ryan 54 tds 30 ints.These are franchise numbers. Bottomline ryan is proven, henne has proven so far that his own coaches no longer have faith in him.
That is ridiculous. Even with the idea that a QB is more important than an LT, Jake Long is so much better at his position than Ryan is that it isn't even close. Jake Long is on pace to have a Hall of Fame career. Matt Ryan isn't going to make a Pro Bowl at this rate.
lets look at the backups dolphins - chad pennington jets - kellen clemons ravens -troy smith falcons -chris redman henne got benched because unlike the ravens, falcons and jets this team couldnt carry him the way those teams could. that and the fact that the dolphins are the only team that had a legitimate backup to fall back on
Eh, Ryan is 19-1 at home, let's give the man some credit. Well, I suspect this won't be the first screaming, irrational thread the rest of the season, suffice it to say, disagree with pumpdog, on pretty much the thought and the idea that this Staff is "doomed". We are 4-4, 8 games to go, back to back home games, he should have waited at least until next Friday.
not in 2008 and 2009. you're not going to bench the guy now. if henne gets benched next year then we should worry. this year not so much
It is useless wasting time talking about something that obviously will never happen....Lets talk about the Titans boys!!!! How do they stop CJ2K.....??
Hindsight.......... For instance, were you on finheaven saying that we never should have told Mike Mularkey to hit the door? Cause that's who is pulling the strings on that offense. Nobody mentions that fact. Here are some more factoids helping Matt Ryan's TEAM win. How about Keith Armstrong? Did you like him as special teams coordinator? We had him. Paul Boudreau was summarily fire here for his failure to get a bunch of nothings to gain a thousand yards. Terry Robiskie caught nothing but hell during his tenure in Miami. Were you on finheaven saying that we should hire MIKE SMITH and Thomas D. rather than just giving the entire reigns to Bill Parcels? That's the problem with half of this fanbase. Always looking at the other guys girl trying to get in her pants. Meanwhile, we just want our entire coaching staff fired so we can hook up with some other bimbo...... Do you want to know what's admirable about the Steelers organization? They hire a guy and they stick by him. And that guy hires a bunch of people who will stick by him. The problem HERE is that WE find a problem with EVERY guy and demand that our voices be heard. Matt Ryan? Pfft........ A beneficiary of a team that is ALLOWED to fail.
He had over 100 on them last season, and 50 yard receiving...no TD though.... It is funny how "stopping him" means he doesnt go off for 150 ha!
You're right if you're comparing Matt Ryans first two years to Jake Long's, but if a guy who's projected (admittedly, the wheels could fall off) to throw around 4,000 yards , 30 TDs and 10 INTs isn't worthy of Pro Bowl consideration in your eyes I don't know who is.
Would that not describe you? I mean would Ryan's 2009 year not be chalked up to the inadequacy of Mike Mularkey?
this fanbase wouldve run eli manning and tom coughlin out of town one year before they won the super bowl.
Matt Ryan had virtually the same stat-line as Chad Henne like two weeks ago, and he's not exactly been consistent in his career?
Yet they stick with him because they understand the importance of developing a young QB. Something the Miami Dolphins know nothing about.
Around week 5 or so they were comparable, but Ryan has taken off since then. I'm not trying to compare the two, just noting that Ryan has really got his stuff together in the last month. I think he's playing at a Pro Bowl level.
Ryan is clearly the class of the 2008 draft class so far. Its not really about stats. The key is going to be how each QB improves as their careers continue. I think all three will have fine careers
You know nothing about me so don't even try to put me in that category. Am I the one screaming for Henne's head or am I screaming Sean Smith sucks or That Chris Clemons will never be any good. Hell no I'm not because I understand it takes time to develop young players. People like you think instant pro bowl right into the NFL. That is the mind set of most Dolphin fans and it is ridiculous.
Oh, so you are not one of the plethora of fans calling for Dan Henning's head? Cause I'm telling you that the man has done MORE with LESS for his entire career. Most are just too blind to see it when it during the occurrence.
I'd have personally much rather they stuck with Henne, but there's really not this basis for outrage at this point over it. It's a little bit early, but not that early.
Henning isn't new here and yes I am screaming for his head. His system is old and worn out. Who runs the Wildcat on 3rd and 6. Do you watch the games? Sorry your argument is a failure if you are taking that angle. Henning is a washed up stubborn senile old man who is way past his prime. Next.....
For all the banter that has went back and forth on the topic people seem to forget what was being said up until the guy was benched. First they were looking at Henning. Soon there was a crop looking at Sparano. There were even some looking at Ireland. Unfortunately, all of this attention does not go without notice. So you reach a 4-4 record. You look around at the guys working hard that CAN win. You here those voices calling for your head. YOU (Sparano) are being patient with the kid. But the voices keep getting louder. So much so that you think at any given point a lynch mob may be standing outside the front offices at Davie waiting for Dan Henning to walk out. YOU are next. It begins to feel like you are coaching Henne for the next guy. What would you do? I'm going to Pennington.
I think Tony Sparano has invited much more job instability and or risk to himself by making this change than he did by not making it. I can't really say if he did so knowingly with the idea that the risk was worth the reward, or that he misjudged the situation.
thing is the Baltimore game was winnable and Henning didn't put Henne in a good situation to win the game. If you can't see that you are blind. Even Pennington himself said it wasn't Henne's fault. I think we get status quo on Sunday from Henning. He lost his mind last season and it never came back.
