No Surprise Here, but Matt Moore likely to start Sunday

Please quote that because I don't remember that at all. Would love to see how wild I get on the boards. I would sincerely apologize if I wrote that.

I did some reading between the lines. You didn't explicitly say he was an idiot and should be cut for that play/decision/whatever, but it was 100% your sentiment and you used it as an example of why he should be let go.

 

1. Comparing apples to oranges. RB's are trained and built to take a hit. QB's are not.

2. A hit like that? Never. If it can be avoided, unless MAYBE it's the last second of the game and you're throwing into the EZ, you avoid that hit.

3. Rodgers sat behind a HoF QB for years. Brady sat behind Bledsoe for one year, and if not for Bledsoe getting injured, more than likely that would have been 2 or more. Your talk about where they were drafted is a non sequitur.

MM will be no better than what he has shown after 9 years in the league. And that is a decent back-up who you can reply on for 2-3 games. That's it. RT, for all intents and purposes, in the starter. This will be his 6th year in the league. This just so happens to be the average length of career for a QB who started during their rookie season. Which RT did. I'm not saying that you draft a QB with the first overall pick. I'm saying that good teams draft QB's every year. And if you never let that QB get the reps, because you have MM taking them, you'll never realize what you have.

 

Pt 1 - What does QBs taking a lot of hits have to with anything? That's like saying "All football players get sweaty". Yeah, and? Also, QBs absolutely have to know when to stand in and take a hit to deliver a ball - or throw it away and play another down, or when to get out of bounds. Matt Moore has always been prone to poor decisions under pressure. It's why he fumbles and throws so many INTs.

Pt 2 - So what? Again, you're being petty. Now it's the number of yards? And you claimed that Matt hit Landry in the chest there. He did not. It was another poorly thrown ball that was short and at Landry's feet. Landry made a valiant attempt to comback and dive for the ball. He lost it going to the ground. Not sure how you keep faulting Landry there. A better pass and that's a completion, but that wasn't going to happen in that instance as Matt was making a goofy side-arm throw and had nothing on the ball. What DM is getting at is making a smarter play and living to play another down. QBs do it every game.

Pt 3 - You're either being purposely obtuse or don't understand anything that's being said as nothing you wrote here about Rogers or Jimmy G is applicable, though Jimmy G, Jacoby Brissett, Ryan Mallett, Matt Cassell, etc... including Brady are a good example of why we should be spending a 5th, 6th, or 7th on trying to improve the position. The Pats either won games with these guys or traded them for better ROI.

 

See your own posts in this thread: #80 and #94. And before you start whining about a direct quote, no it wasn't, but you clearly said that Dupree's first contact was into Matt's facemask in both posts.

No, that was not 100% my sentiment. I've never thought of Matt of an idiot, just a guy who doesn't make the smartest of decisions under pressure and who peaked long ago. He's been here 6 or 7 years now and for what we're getting from him, we could get from someone younger with more upside who could hopefully push Tannehill at some point. I want better QB play from 1-2-3. That won't happen with Matt coasting along for a few more years while we play duck-duck-goose with the PS team QBs.

 

I get what you're saying, but the Dolphins weren't looking to do that. They weren't trying to supplant Tannehill or challenge him - they were trying to develop him. So MM8 being on this team served it's purpose and served it pretty well considering we made the playoffs with him after not starting a game in 5 years.

That's how confident they were at that position for 2016 - only keeping two QB's on the active roster.

 

IMO we win and lose those same 4 games regardless of who the backup QB was as long as he'd been here since last summer. Matt specifically brought nothing that we couldn't have gotten from Dysert had we kept him. I think they kept him for other reasons though, including his starting experience and his friendship with Tannehill.

Considering Tannehill has been an Ironman the past 5 years probably factored into keeping 2 QBs as well. Was really disappointed that Doughty hadn't shown enough to get promoted.

Trying to develop and get more from Tannehill under Gase makes perfect sense after the debacle of Philbin where Tannehill was pretty much left to his own devices and shut out by Philbin and Lazor. Tannehill made good strides this season despite the early season chaos with the new offense and OL issues.

I understand why some teams are content with a seasoned vet like Matt, but we shouldn't be. There is no guarantee that Tannehill will continue to ascend. Matty peaked 5 or 6 years ago. What has Doughty shown? IMO, the FO should invest in another QB this off-season. That's all.

 

What he did vs the Jets is something very few starters in the NFL can do, let alone Desert for christ sake.

 

Gonna disagree on the Buffalo game specifically.

 

The jets sold out to stop Ajayi, were missing 2 starters from their secondary, and didn't play a safety deep. Matt did his job there, and congrats to him on a good night, but it wasn't some miraculous game and given Matt's history, do you think he could repeat that performance? His history says it's an anomaly.

 

You think he had a great game against Buffalo? Ajayi and Drake were killing them. The only reason that game was as close as it was, was due to Matt's poor play. His weak arm and poor accuracy was an issue most of the game. He only completed around half of his passes, but even those were due to some outstanding catches by the receivers on a lot of poorly thrown balls. He doesn't have the arm he did 6 years ago and most of those balls were ducks.

 

They didn't play a S deep because they made the mistake of trying to zero blitz him....and he had the ability to read this and throw the ball to a perfect spot for his Wr to make a huge play.

Could he repeat that performance? No, because the Jets showed the rest of the league you can't send the zero against Matt.

 

Yeah, that's what I said. He did his job that night and didn't turn the ball over. Go Matty! Lol...

 

The game conditions were not great. The field was soggy causing a wet grip and there were swirling winds. It took him a little bit to adjust - but keep in mind were were run heavy throughout the first half.

He made up for it in the second half as Gase got him into a rhythm. Gase even specifically mentioned that in his presser. Granted he took a shot downfield to an open Dion Sims on 3rd down near midfield right before the Franks miracle - which I'm not sure I liked the decision making on. But he did something Dolphins QB's since Marino generally don't do ....... not even Tannehill. What is that? Win in Buffalo in December.

Some of your criticisms I understand, but I feel like you focus solely on any of the negative plays and don't consider the larger picture/performance or how he finishes.

 

Yeah, I remember Gase chewing him out during that game for some bad decisions.

LOL... c'mon man. Ajayi and Drake won that game. Danny and Tannehill both easily cruise through that same game. All Matt had to do was NOT fk it up or turn the ball over and his play allowed them to stay in the game and take it to over time.

I'm really not trying to dump on Matt, I just don't see anything special enough to warrant retaining for his 7th year here or why some make a case for why his play was this or that due to x or y, or for his career being what it is when they won't make the same concessions for Tannehill. That's all.

 

Wait. You said any QB could have led us to a victory - which is an exaggeration. You then invoke Tannehill who is win-less playing at Buffalo.

The running game was the MVP no doubt. Yet, Moore got into rhythm in the 2nd half and had key conversions - especially after the defense gave up the lead. There was one play in particularly where a free rusher was coming right up the middle (during the drive they tied the game) and he got rid of the ball in time when Tannehill would've eaten the sack. It actually marked the difference in their pocket mechanics.

You have an opinion of Moore and that's fine. Gase and Co. clearly don't agree though.

 

You brought Danny and Tannehill into it and completely left Ajayi and the monster rushing attack against Buffalo out of it. I just pointed out that Matt did nothing of significance in that game and actually had a poor day, and that either Danny or Tannehill could have won it as well behind that 261 yard performance on the ground.

They kept him last season as they could only do so much the first year. They still churned around 37% of Philbin's roster. I fully expect more roster changes, particularly on defense and OL. I think Matt returns this year as well, but they turned over Dysert and Logan Thomas and drafted Doughty last season. That was a good thing. Hoping we start addressing the QB position and depth as well.

 

This season against the Jets:

Josh McCown had 345 yards passing w/2 TD's
Big Ben had had 375 and 4 TD's
Tyrod Taylor had 307 yards and 3 TD's
Dalton had 365 yards

 

More to what I meant than numbers.


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