NFL Players’ Association files for decertification

That door swings both ways. The owners are not asking for revenue shares from players product endorsements either.

 

The players with endorsements are making money off of their own accomplishments, the owners are making money off of the players accomplishments

 

You guys are all getting way ahead of yourselves.

Right now, there is no players union. There are ~2000 players individually under contract, who are not a part of a labor union.

Thats where we are now. It doesn't mean we won't be without football necessarily.

 

If they went all in, then they would have quit operations already. If that is all in.

What is one benefit of ceasing operations?

 

Exactly. There's a difference between a job and a profession.

 

The players would not have the opportunity if the owners did not provide teams for them to play on. Why shouldn't the owners and the other players be entitled to revenue the players generate after all we are talking about sharing arnt we?

 

How is that caving to whatever the NFLPA wants?

With decertifiation NFL makes the rules. PERIOD. Whatever rule they want to make, they can make. They can say that all free agents can only make 100,000 dollars a year. The players would have to deal with it. Until the lawsuit is settled.

So the NFL season can be played and they can make their $4 billion dollars from TV.

They can put pressure on them without ceasing operations. There is ZERO benefits of ceasing operations. It would be stupid for the NFL to do so.

 

They do if they want to use football helmets

 

No. If Johnny Depp is a great actor, should hollywood or all the directors that have ever "given him an opportunity to act" get a piece of the pie he makes off of doing commercials for AT&T ?

 

There is no more they. There is no NFLPA. There are 2000 NFL players individually under contract, that are not a part of any union.

Right now the player don't get a % of revenues. They don't need to see the books. They are under contract, and when those contracts expire, they are free to negotiate new ones with whomever they want. There is no CBA. The only rules that apply now are the laws and statutes of this country.

I'm actually surprised so many here would be opposed to the dissolving of an employee union.

 

I wonder how many players will get arrested during a lockout season.

 

To answer your question, because there isn't a players union. NFL can create the rules and the players have to go by those rules if they want to play this season.

I am arguing that the NFL isn't going to cease operations just to stop the season. There is no benefit and just lots of headaches.

 

Id say the same amount if it was a normal season......?

Thats a random question

 

Again, you are making this more complicated than it needs to be. The owners and players previously entered into a CBA that they both felt was fair.

The CBA that the owners didn't feel was fair is no longer valid. The owners are only now bound by the same laws any other employers are bound by.

 

Well let me be the first to say I hope they stay out forever to the point the NFL folds. You heard me right. I love football and want it back. But I want this league of greeedy ungrateful idiots to go. I want players on teh fring having to worry about having to get real jobs for 30 to 40000 over 12 mos vs 30 to 40 mil over 9 months. I want owners to have to file bankruptcy because they cant pay their stadium debt.

Point is I dont like either side, yes I believe the owners are greatly responsible but both sides are most concerned with winning not what the deal but the perception of who won. If 1 game is missed, (and I know it matters none) 1 game, then I am done forever, I will spend not one red penny ever, I will do whatever I could to help future super bowls be the lowest rated program ever.


Greedy millionaires. all of em

I agree with fighting for past players health ins, they are beat up and didnt make the money. But if someone gave me 1 million I could live my life comfortably. yes they have a life style, but that is their choice. Instead of a 5 mil house buy a 1 mil house and protect the rest. If you cant hire the right people so you dont blow every dollar you make it aint my fault, it isnt someone elses responsibility to make sure you dont run out of money.

Owners cant agree how to share money, their ratings and mem sales are at an all time high, yet you are losing money? BS if Jerry Jones didnt have to have Taj Mahal as a stadium then maybe he wouldnt be broke or crying poor. If Bills cant make it in Buffalo, do something about it. Move. If you sell out you make money, invest in your team. earmark revenues to revamp your stadium.

All I know is I struggle with credit cards, with an autistic child for which 0 ins companies cover any expenses. I dont feel sorry for any of them, they can all go to hell, greedy bastards

 

you can't even name one

 

Meh, just changing it up a little. Was just a random thought about a bunch of ticked off players with too much time on their hands, and no moola coming in.

 

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On a more serious note, I have to agree with everything Paul has said so far. Jerry Richardson made a fool of himself by acting like he was at a junior high lunch table, but as a whole, I think the owners are the good guys here.

It's easy to root for Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and a suit nicknamed "De," but the fact is, they're trying to screw the business for every penny it's got. How many Fortune-500 companies are non-profit organizations? The owners need something. It's not like they don't have operating costs other than player salaries.

The owner will always make more. That's part of business. If these players think they can get 6+ figures playing games elsewhere, all the power to them, but their greed isn't going to ruin an awesome sport for me. I see right through the PR.

 

Why do the owners refuse to operate without a CBA? Why can't they let the free market work on its own?

 

No, the owners are still bound by contracts, just like any other employer in this country is. They can't operate however they want, they are bound by laws and statutes.

 

Agreed!

I've been saying it and I'll say it again.
I'm pretty much done with all professional sports.
I'll always love the Phins organization but I'm soured on the concept of pro sports and the sickening greed associated with it.

Bring on college football.
I'll be more than happy just with that.

 

No you didn't, you named something that they could do even with a season.

If they want to close their doors, they can. However it doesn't accomplish anything and allows EA, Budweiser, every company that has naming rights, Reebok and all of the other companies an option to sue them.

 

Based on what?

Why would they be willing to throw $4 billion away?

 

The only thing they have the exemption for are TV deals.

The owners refuse to operate under a CBA, because they want a salary cap. They (some of them) want to share revenue. They want to do things that would be against the law unless it was in a CBA.

For all this talk about how much the players don't have a right to ask for x,y, or z, its the owners who are asking for things that wouldn't fly in the real world.

 

But the lawsuit already happens with or without a season

 

If they go nuclear bomb, they file bankruptcy and perfected interest takes precedent over player contracts, in the end the players would get crumbs after stadium debt is factored in.

 

Right, but if they cease operations the TV networks may have a case to get the money back. As it stands now it goes into escrow. I don’t know if this is the case though, does anyone here?

 

No, only MLB has an antitrust exemption. The only thing the NFL has was the bill congress passed in regards to TV contracts. Congress rejected the NFLs requests for antitrust exemption a long time ago.

I agree 100%, and the owners are the ones who benefit.