NFL Network's Michael Giardi reports teams have called the Dolphins about Josh Rosen

Keep, develop, sell.next year

From PFT:

The Dolphins drafted Tua Tagovailoa fifth overall. They still have Ryan Fitzpatrick, who has made it clear he wants to start. So where does that leave Josh Rosen? That’s apparently the same thing some teams wonder.

Michael Giardi of NFL Media reports the Dolphins have received calls about Rosen’s availability. Giardi adds that Miami is in “no hurry” to deal Rosen. It’s more likely the Dolphins haven’t received an offer to their liking. The Dolphins also have Jake Rudock in their quarterbacks room.

Rosen, 23, has yet to find a home after two seasons in the NFL. The Cardinals made him the 10th overall choice in 2018 but traded him to the Dolphins for a second-round choice a year ago after Arizona drafted Kyler Murray No. 1 overall.

The Dolphins now have Tagovailoa as their quarterback of the future, so Rosen’s future obviously is elsewhere.

Rosen has gone 3-13 as a starter, passing for 2,845 yards with 12 touchdowns and 19 interceptions while playing for two of the worst teams in the NFL over the past two seasons.

I hope they don't make any snap judgements and trade him for nothing. His contract is on the cheap just keep him. Nothing wrong with having 2 young QB's on the roster.

It was worth a try to see if he could be salvaged. If we could get a 4th or even a 5th I say you take it.

With our luck we'll trade Rosen to the Titans to be their backup QB and he will pull a "Tannehill" once he gets on the field.

"Finatik wrote:

It was worth a try to see if he could be salvaged. If we could get a 4th or even a 5th I say you take it.

I wholeheartedly disagree. This is likely Fitzpatrick's last year and Rosen is the ideal backup at $2M a year. Develop the kid for a few more seasons and then decide what to do with him...there is zero rush to recover that late 2nd round investment (which was essentially free in the first place due to a trade).

The only way you let Rosen walk today is if it's a Minkah-type situation where he wants a chance to start in 2020 (which won't happen anywhere). But if the kid wants out, then a trade makes sense out of courtesy. Otherwise, he's a Dolphin until he's not.

If we don’t keep three qbs on the active roster then I would think he requests a trade.

"KeyFin wrote:

I wholeheartedly disagree. This is likely Fitzpatrick's last year and Rosen is the ideal backup at $2M a year. Develop the kid for a few more seasons and then decide what to do with him...there is zero rush to recover that late 2nd round investment (which was essentially free in the first place due to a trade).

The only way you let Rosen walk today is if it's a Minkah-type situation where he wants a chance to start in 2020 (which won't happen anywhere). But if the kid wants out, then a trade makes sense out of courtesy. Otherwise, he's a Dolphin until he's not.

I agree. We are talking QB here, so I don't think we should rush to get a late-round pick either. Rosen has the physical tools. It's probably the processing and reading defenses that have been tripping him up. Tua is my guy, but I want to see what Rosen can do with Gailey and his system. Maybe it will come easier for him and he can play naturally and not overthink things too much. Down the road when Fitzpatrick hangs up his cleats we might be happy to have Rosen around.

"Irishman wrote:

With our luck we'll trade Rosen to the Titans to be their backup QB and he will pull a "Tannehill" once he gets on the field.

Sweet Jesus no! The last thing we need on here is another 200+ page thread about a Titans QB....

"ripper1961 wrote:

I hope they don't make any snap judgements and trade him for nothing. His contract is on the cheap just keep him. Nothing wrong with having 2 young QB's on the roster.

Most here probably don’t remember when it was the back-up quarterback was the holder for field goal attempts and point after TD tries. I never understood why teams abandoned that and went to the punter being the holder.

At least with a quarterback on the field, you always had additional options instead of just kicking the ball. I say keep Rosen, develop and bring the QB back on kicking plays.

The problem with keeping Rosen is that, unless Tua is hurt, then Rosen can't -- and shouldn't -- get anywhere near enough reps in practices and games to develop in such a way that he has more value in the future (when he's older) than he has now. And I don't think he should be the player the Dolphins have in reserve in the event Tua is injured or has trouble regaining his form after his past injury.

So in my opinion you trade him now and salvage what you can for him. Perhaps a bidding war between two or three teams could get the compensation up to a fourth-rounder, and I'd jump all over that.

I sincerely doubt if any team has offered anything more than a conditional 7th round pick for him. The other teams are just ringing to see if the Dolphins are willing to sell him for a fire sale price. Just because other teams are ringing doesn’t mean any team is genuinely interested in offering substantive compensation because they see Rosen as their QB of the future.

See which teams lose a QB to injury and if they are willing to give up something. At this moment, there is no way we are getting anything of value like Pauly said. 6th round flier at most, most likely a 7th.

If they trade him that means the dolphins are confident that Tua is healthy enough to come in relief of Ryan Fitzpatrick. Right now its pointless to trade him away.. keep all three..

"Pauly wrote:

I sincerely doubt if any team has offered anything more than a conditional 7th round pick for him. The other teams are just ringing to see if the Dolphins are willing to sell him for a fire sale price. Just because other teams are ringing doesn’t mean any team is genuinely interested in offering substantive compensation because they see Rosen as their QB of the future.

Agreed. I would guess that if anybody were offering a 4th or better they'd consider it. They may or may not take it at this point before camp, but it would be a consideration. If they did take it then you know they have zero belief that he'd ever develop. At this point there's still hope he can show better in a simplified offense. (BTW if he doesn't learn this offense we should probably stop calling him 'smart' at least in relation to football. Reality is that he has struggled to pick up several offenses in college and the pros).

Now if teams are offering a player then that's different. Sometimes teams at this point are looking to see if you're willing to swap problems or disappointments. Obviously there's the variable of whether Miami likes the other team's problem. But for Miami, Rosen isn't really a problem. He's cheap and provides depth and has at least some small hope of development. Some of the same personality traits that don't make him a leader also don't make him a problem. He's just a guy who blends into the background behind Fitz and Tua. As long as he's putting in the work, which he seems to be, and not complaining, which I haven't heard any, there's no urgency on Miami's end.

I would think the offer would be more than a 7th

You do not even waste someone's time calling them to take a 7th for a player that makes nothing and potentially will be relied on if Tua is not cleared to play this season.

There is no downside to keeping Rosen... So there is no chance a 7th rounder is being discussed

"Vertical Limit wrote:

If they trade him that means the dolphins are confident that Tua is healthy enough to come in relief of Ryan Fitzpatrick. Right now its pointless to trade him away.. keep all three..

So you think we’re gonna keep 3 qbs on the active roster? Cause if not what are the alternatives to keeping him?

Either redshirt Tua and put him on IR.

Rosen to the practice squad?? Nope, that ain’t happening..

Keep three qbs active for the sake of pure development reasons.

It’s either #1 or #3

"djphinfan wrote:

So you think we’re gonna keep 3 qbs on the active roster? Cause if not what are the alternatives to keeping him?

Either redshirt Tua and put him on IR.

Rosen to the practice squad?? Nope, that ain’t happening..

Keep three qbs active for the sake of pure development reasons.

It’s either #1 or #3

Its #3

I dont agree with the notion of sitting Tua the entire year if he is 100% unless we are somehow in playoff contention and the games matter.

It is physically impossible to heal beyond 100% and he needs to see some game situations even if he isnt starting at any point.

It remains to be seen if there's a pre-season or, anything resembling a normal regular season. If so, give Rosen the majority of the snaps in pre-season to raise his stock in case another team loses a QB. Let Tua sit for the first half of the regular season and learn while the o-line gels. Give Tua mop-up opportunities in the second half of the season. No reason to rush him in. Best case, we trade Rosen to a QB needy team for multiple draft picks or, Rosen backs up Tua after Fitz retires. It would be stupid to give him away.

"Hooligan wrote:

It remains to be seen if there's a pre-season or, anything resembling a normal regular season. If so, give Rosen the majority of the snaps in pre-season to raise his stock in case another team loses a QB. Let Tua sit for the first half of the regular season and learn while the o-line gels. Give Tua mop-up opportunities in the second half of the season. No reason to rush him in. Best case, we trade Rosen to a QB needy team for multiple draft picks or, Rosen backs up Tua after Fitz retires. It would be stupid to give him away.

I don't think the guys running the team are going to be comfortable giving Rosen snaps that their QB of the future -- the one their jobs are largely riding on -- could be taking, so that Rosen's stock rises from what's probably currently a sixth-round pick to what could likely be no higher than a fourth-round pick, neither of which is likely to net a future starter. Surely the team isn't going to let the speed of Tua's development hinge on the possibility of acquiring a mere fourth-round pick for the guy who's taking his reps.

"Hooligan wrote:

It remains to be seen if there's a pre-season or, anything resembling a normal regular season. If so, give Rosen the majority of the snaps in pre-season to raise his stock in case another team loses a QB. Let Tua sit for the first half of the regular season and learn while the o-line gels. Give Tua mop-up opportunities in the second half of the season. No reason to rush him in. Best case, we trade Rosen to a QB needy team for multiple draft picks or, Rosen backs up Tua after Fitz retires. It would be stupid to give him away.

That was certainly the Ron Wolf strategy.

I wouldn't mind seeing Fitz somewhat replicate what Don Strock did when we drafted Marino. Strock hung around as Marino's back-up and mentor for about 3 years. And nowadays QBs are playing longer than in Strock's day.

"Hooligan wrote:

It remains to be seen if there's a pre-season or, anything resembling a normal regular season. If so, give Rosen the majority of the snaps in pre-season to raise his stock in case another team loses a QB. Let Tua sit for the first half of the regular season and learn while the o-line gels. Give Tua mop-up opportunities in the second half of the season. No reason to rush him in. Best case, we trade Rosen to a QB needy team for multiple draft picks or, Rosen backs up Tua after Fitz retires. It would be stupid to give him away.

It is interesting that a talented highly touted first round pick like Rosen was thrown to the Wolves last year on the worst O line in football.. and when he got pummeled people said he was trash because of it.

Now we have people wanting to sit Tua until the O line gels so he has time to throw and will be protected.

Not picking on you specifically. I have seen this sentiment made over and over.

People forget that early last year Fitz' numbers were worse than Rosen's Yes the O line was that bad.

The O line play was dramatically improved for Fitz' second stint as starter last season.

"Etrius24 wrote:

It is interesting that a talented highly touted first round pick like Rosen was thrown to the Wolves last year on the worst O line in football.. and when he got pummeled people said he was trash because of it.

Now we have people wanting to sit Tua until the O line gels so he has time to throw and will be protected.

Not picking on you specifically. I have seen this sentiment made over and over.

People forget that early last year Fitz' numbers were worse than Rosen's Yes the O line was that bad.

The O line play was dramatically improved for Fitz' second stint as starter last season.

I completely agree- we need apples to apples comparisons of the three quarterbacks in a real offense. Writing off Rosen is short-sighted and I personally think Arizona made a mistake of trading him after basically paying his entire contract. Miami shouldn't make the same mistake since it could actually be Rosen that's our QB of the future.

Why bet only on one horse when you have two in the race? We definitely need to carry three active QB's on the roster since we know Fitzpatrick will retire within the next few years.

I do not see Fitz playing more than 2 years max. This is his last season with Miami.

And honestly... If Rosen looks good in Camp/Preseason... I could see Miami trading Fitz away to a team that had a QB injury and needed a quality starter.