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NFL Betting Odds: Adam Gase is #2 in Top List of Coaches to Be Fired First

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  1. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    I think that, if anything, all Jackson is really doing this year is making the team look better for the Brown's ownership to appeal to a more promising head coaching candidate next January.
     
  2. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    Koetter must be sweating bullets.
     
  3. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    I’m at the point where Gase or any new coach needs 5-6 years. The constant change in schemes and personnel for those schemes continues to set us back and makes the rebuilding process next to impossible. Stick with what we have unless he shows to be completely inept, which I don’t think he’s shown.
     
  4. Hoops

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    I hear you but I think Cleveland to date correctly blames the qb position over everything else. Handicapped with a rookie limited ask in terms of what you can call no business being on the field as a rookie deshone kizer for example. Considering they dumped the poor drafting gms that have plagued them.

    And I’d never consider any offense with Andy dalton driving it as loaded. He’s been the beneficiary of some high level situational play in terms of being ahead of the sticks or not chasing the scoreboard however thru the years.

    There was a couple years there where dalton was the least contacted qb in football. He barely got sniffed.

    Jackson could get fired tomorrow and he’d have an oc gig in a nano second.
    So if I’m him I would have resigned if the gm was just pawning me and forcing me to play with as limited a pocket qb option as Tyrod Taylor.
     
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  5. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Exactly. You typically don't really know what you have until a HC has been here for awhile. The NFL has become a microcosm of society, though. Instant gratification. And just because VERY few teams throw some poop and it sticks doesn't make that method OK.
     
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  6. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic 30 years and counting Club Member

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    when I say loaded, I was implying that it was loaded despite Dalton who I think is a pretty bad QB that was elevated by good skill players and a good Oline

    It's always been in the back of my mind as I defended Tannehill. You put Tannehill with that Oline and skill players Dalton had at his peak, and he'd look a lot better than he has looked here
     
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  7. sunworshipper

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    That 2015 Bengals team was packed with offensive talent around Dalton. Green, Jones, Sanu, a healthy Eifert at his peak, good running backs, strong veteran line. Of course, the cheap Bengals only retain Dalton, Green, and a broken-down Eifert now.
     
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  8. Hoops

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    It was eifert and green that everyone was afraid of at the time. and for good reason. Jackson did a good job dialing up some scheme looks for sanu to showcase his strengths. the most underrated left tackle in football at the time too in Andrew whitworth.

    meanwhile in Miami that year tanny was playing in nothing but 3rd and 8 plus seeing rush 3 and drop 8 or rush 4 and drop 7 and take contact before the back foot can hit in the drop unless taking the 6 yard rb curl in the center of the field dump off which everyone *****ed at him for. when it was either that or the sack. not to mention dallas Thomas in his lead leg on every drop back. immediate outside and inside pressure it was a joke. he'd have had to levitate to avoid that garbage.
     
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  9. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Andy Dalton has never really sniffed top 10 Qb play. He played well within a system at times, and had some years with top 10 numbers that fooled some people.

    I would even take 2015 Ryan Tannehill over Andy Dalton.
     
  10. jdallen1222

    jdallen1222 He can smell your fear

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    Dalton has had some great recievers over the years as well.
     
  11. resnor

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    It's fascinating to me that everyone watched these things happen, but some people really believe that Tannehill should have been putting up better numbers than he did.
     
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  12. sunworshipper

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    If you look around the league, most of the QBs everyone considers elite have had at least one elite wideout or TE for several years. Maybe Rodgers is the only exception as I think he made some good receivers look great.
     
  13. Pauly

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    Its fairly plain to me. Tannehill should have put up better numbers with the talent he had aound him, but he was hobbled by his coaches.
    First Philbin/Shrman for running an antedeluvian offence. Then Lazor (who I believe just ignored Philbin’s and Campbell’s input) for getting too predictable when behind on the scoreboard.
     
  14. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    I’ve never really had a problem with Ryan’s numbers.

    I think they have been above average as a whole, it’s his situational play that was frustertaring up until mid 2016.

    I fully expect a very good year out of him. The situation has nonevent been better and he has to know this offense as well as anyone.
     
  15. KeyFin

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    LOL, how do you use a big boy word like "antediluvian" and then spell "offense" wrong?

    I had to look that one up- for everyone else, it means "pre-Biblical flood" or "extremely outdated". I guess that's my word of the day. =)
     
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  16. cbrad

    cbrad . Club Member

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    ?? They're both correct and have the exact same meaning. "Offense" is just the American spelling while "offence" is the English spelling. Same with "defense" vs. "defence". However, in both cases it's "offensive" and "defensive".
     
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  17. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Honestly, I can't understand why Philbin drafted Tannehill, a highly mobile QB, and insisted that he stand in the pocket no matter what. That's like drafting a seven foot receiver and telling him to only catch passes at waist level...it just makes no sense. So I think it's very hard to judge a quarterback when they're asked to do something that's not natural to them.

    You also have to remember that when we drafted Tannehill, Hartline was likely our best overall receiver. Our skill talent has drastically increased since that time yet the moving parts have really hurt us more than anything. Most of you would say Landry is far superior to Hartline, for instance, yet we moved the chains more on those 20 yard sideline shoulder throws with Hartline than we did with Landry's screen passes. To me, we saw more of RT's arm strength early on and it was an illusion that we had a more powerful offense in recent years.

    As I've said in other posts, I thought the stars were going to align last season and Tannehill would become a household name as we took the division, and I honestly think our offense is a lot more dangerous in 2018. I think Gase's 1st season in Miami was more about convincing Tannehill to forget his poor training of being that pure pocket passer than anything, and I really believe that a year on the bench was the best possible thing for someone in his position (injured or not). He now knows EXACTLY what Gase expects and he's finally ready to lead an up-tempo offense where the rules are always bendable depending on what the defense is giving.

    I 100% believe that's the QB we'll see this year- it's going to be his best season ever. And that's going to finally let us see what Gase's master vision of an up-tempo offense is as well....because we still have no idea. These past two seasons were essentially the base package that you'd expect the practice squad to run; we just didn't have the smarts on the field to execute the grand plan. Now that RT is 100% up to speed though, I think we're going to see something magical that will shock the **** out of a lot of people.
     
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  18. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Well, he spelled antediluvian and Sherman wrong as well, LOL! I don't pick on you for being the math nerd, don't pick on me for being the grammar police. =)
     
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  19. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    With all of the adversity a second year head coach faced last season...especially after going 10-6 his first year, I find it quite STUPID that he's the odds on second favorite to be fired in his 3rd year.
     
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  20. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    I have to switch between various forms of English (UK and American are just the two most common forms of English). So sometimes I forget which audience I am writing for.
     
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  21. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Are there more than US and UK? Would Australian be a different variety?

    I'm asking because I'm interested. Over the years I've trained hundreds of writers and the folks from Pakistan, India, etc just can't seem to write for US audiences...folks spot it in a second. One that did really well was from Romania though and I don't even know where that is, LOL. How many versions of English are there?

    I asked about Australia because I'll get a project invite from there every now and then...and I always wonder why they don't hire a local instead (I actually tell them to do that because it makes more sense). I've also received lots of invites from companies in Saudi Arabia and Dubai, but never any country in Western Europe. So I'm genuinely curious.

    One more thing- is antediluvian a common word anywhere? I had never even heard it before; it's a pretty cool one as far as words go though. =)
     
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  22. cbrad

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    Apparently not for "offense" and "offence":
    https://english.stackexchange.com/q...re-any-difference-between-offense-and-offence
    That site btw is pretty good. You might want to browse it or ask a question yourself.
     
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  23. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    Well that would be great but don’t forget we have a lot of new starters so they need to get up to speed on ththe offense as well.
     
  24. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    That's true, it's never a given. Gore and Amendola are seasoned vets and true team players, so I'm sure they'll put in the time to get up to speed. I don't know anything about Wilson so I can't comment there, and the line is certainly a question mark as well. We sought out Kilgore for his leadership abilities as much as his blocking though, so I have my fingers crossed it all comes together quickly.
     
  25. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    I think our offensive line and offenses will be a top 15 team this year. Our defense worries me that we’re going to give up 24 points a game while our offense scories 21. Hopefully the defense can stand tough and our oline can sustain some lye game running situations to work the clock in our favor.
     
  26. Fin-O

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    All of those young players in LA (Rams) seemed to catch on pretty damn quick in year 1 if Sean McVay....I won’t be accepting any excuses out of us if we come out sluggish
     
  27. Pauly

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    Spelling is on a continuum from UK to US. Canada for example is mostly US with a little British. Australian spelling is about 2/3 British and 1/3 US, New Zealand is very UK in their spelling. Spelling something pretty easy to fix, most spellcheck programs can be dialled to the specific country. For Australia they use the MacQuarie dictionary. Japan uses mostly US standard, but with a few exceptions - Autumn instead of Fall.
    The bigger difference is in word use like boot and trunk, hood apnd bonnet. Countries aren’t homogeneous either depending on which part of Australia you’re in a swimming costume may be togs, cossies, swimmers, or trunks. If you are dealing with Australians you will need to be very aware of what they use the word ‘root’ to refer to.
    India and Pakistan are using Anglicised Urdu or Hindi, not real English
    With the smaller English speaking countries they find it easy to translate US or UK English into the local version.
     
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  28. Unlucky 13

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    I'm born and raised in the US, and have used Autumn instead of fall since I was a little kid. I've always just felt like it was the more adult, or educated thing to do.

    The US is becoming much more homogeneous than it used to be, due to media and ease of travel, however there are still plenty of regional terms as well. One of my favorites is the use of the term "pop" or "soda" for a soft drink. (referring to any given soft drink simply as "Coke" is lazy and stupid, and won't be dignified).
     
  29. 2socks

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    Maybe the mascot is the problem
     
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  30. Pauly

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    PS antediluvian is a pretty rare word. I only use it to show off that at some point in my life I read it and looked it up. It’s a very oxbridge kind of word and the only people I have heard actually use it in a conversation were from King’s College.
     
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    I laughed when I saw it, had no idea what it meant but figured you completely used it wrong, then was shocked that it was a perfect fit. What got me was the definition's reference to the Bible...that tells you that it's a very old word since it's referencing Biblical floods. That's what I found so interesting- why would such a silly, super specific word exist to begin with?

    You're right, it was probably a 15th century aristocrat that invented it to impress his peers; that's about the only thing that makes sense. I'm going to try to remember it and use it someday...even though it makes far less sense to use it in 2018. =)


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    antediluvian, adj. & n. [an-tee-di-loo-vee-uhn, ān-tĭ-də-lōō-vē-ən]
    -The literal translation of antediluvian is 'before the deluge.' It was created in 1646 C.E. directly out of two Latin words: ante- 'prior, before' and diluvium 'a deluge.' Antediluvian was originally used to describe the time period before the Biblical flood recorded in Genesis, but came to be applied to antiquity in general and eventually primitive or outdated ideas. This definition also broadened to include a noun form used for a person who lived prior to the flood, then later on for an elderly or old-fashioned person.
     
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  32. Claymore95

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    Autumnal is one of my favourite (another US/UK spelling difference!) and descriptive words to describe the type of weather in Autumn. I've never used fall to describe Autumn, but in the UK more and more US words are being used instead of the UK original. A lot of it is due to the exposure we get to US media via the internet and suchlike, previous generations would never have seen the US spellings so frequently used, but current generations often see the US versions almost exclusively, so it sticks. Much to the consternation of UK English traditionalists I have to say.
     
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  33. jdallen1222

    jdallen1222 He can smell your fear

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    Do they still call it queuing or do you now stand in proper lines?
     
  34. Fame

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    Aside from taking us to the playoffs, with a backup QB, for the first time in about a hundred years. But yeah other than that he's proven nothing...you're right.
     
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  35. KeyFin

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    If you think about it, Gase has only had a starting QB for 13 1/2 games of his career in Miami...and his guy had won 7 of 8 when he went down. Without the lineman debacle of the first month, our 2016 team was pretty legitimate.
     
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  36. Unlucky 13

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    They were still too overly reliant on big plays. I like Gase, but I need to see the offense come out and perform better. I believe they will, but they haven't proven it yet.
     
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  37. Carmen Cygni

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    Hopefully.
     
  38. Carmen Cygni

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    2-3 years is all that is needed to determine the quality of a HC, 4 max. I don't see it with Gase; he's a better fit as a coordinator.
     

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