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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Dolphins1372, Nov 27, 2018.

  1. Dolphins1372

    Dolphins1372 Guest

    Besides r. Wilson. Name another good qb thats 5’ 10” or under in the modern era.
     
  2. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    People used to say that about black QB's, too. Guess what happened when black people stated being chosen to play QB? They started to become some of the best.

    When the mentality (wrong) is to NOT pick a player because of height, or lack thereof, you're not going to be able to prove/disprove that height really matters. I mean, how many 5'10" QB's in the modern era have been given a chance? 2? Wilson and Flutie?
     
  3. Dolphins1372

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    Uh? we are beyond the racism that held back the black quarterback in the past. There is no short prejudice. If you can ball. You will play. Disappointed you even went there.
     
  4. Dolphins1372

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    Flutie sucked
     
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Lol Wilson struggled lol
     
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  6. Dolphins1372

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    Lol. Never seen so many 3 and outs in the early days. Not really here to argue with people this uninformed. I watched all his games. As i live in Washington. But go ahead and educate me on r. Wilson.
     
  7. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Seriously baffles me that anyone could have anything negative to say about Wilson.
     
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  8. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Unless you're short...or black (in the past)
     
  9. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No, he didn't suck. When the NFL wouldn't give him a chance he went up north and won 3-4 Championships.
     
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  10. Dolphins1372

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    He shared time with rob johnson when he played in the nfl. Cause he was so good? No fake news please.
     
  11. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ohhhhhh! You lived there. I guess those of us who didn't live there couldn't watch him on any of those new fangled inventions called televisions.

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    Yeah, what a ****ty season. That 100 passer rating (when the average that year was mid-80's) just SCREAMS STRUGGLE!! lol

    GTFOH with "uninformed".

    And there's your education....You're welcome.
     
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  12. Dolphins1372

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    Drink much?
     
  13. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    It was a different game back when Flutie played with mostly pro-set style offenses.

    With horizontal and RPO-based offenses you see proliferating around the NFL he'd be even better now.
     
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  14. Dolphins1372

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    I know. But we are going to just state the facts that suit our argument?
     
  15. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No he didn't.

    You are so uninformed. lol


    He actually came in and beat out Johnson. Led the Bills to the playoffs and went to the pro bowl.

    But he "sucked"...GTFOH with that crap

    You're welcome.
     
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  16. Dolphins1372

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    I’m not going to do all your research for you.
     
  17. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Correct. You said he "shared time"...no he didn't. He was new to the team, was acclimated, showed he was the better QB, won the job, and went 7-3 and on a playoff run.

    Please keep up.
     
  18. Dolphins1372

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    I seen them share games with my own eyes.
     
  19. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Do you want to tell us more about how much Russell Wilson struggled? LMAO!

    All of us non-Washington living, no TV having people need to hear the Wilson lore of old! haha
     
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  20. Tin Indian

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    Wait. Are you basing your whole argument that "he sucked" on a single year?
     
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  21. Rock Sexton

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    He really is LOL.
     
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  22. Dolphins1372

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    I was a fan of flutie. As i like to root for the underdog. I was mad they weren’t letting flutie play the whole time. Again i like underdogs. Not cause I thought he was so dominating.
     
  23. Dolphins1372

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    You’re hilarious
     
  24. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    sigh...

    Flutie relieved Johnson in game #1 because Rob was stinking it up. Rob got the start in game 2, 4, and 16. (Flutie was injured)

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    Then in 1999 he led the Bills to a 10-5 record (Johnson played 1 game. Last game of the season.) Then in 2000 Wade Phillips decided to split time between the 2. Johnsons went 4-7. Flutie went 4-1.
     
  25. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You said he "sucked". No one said they thought Flutie was "dominating".

    Flutie didn't suck.
     
  26. KeyFin

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    I think the caches could easily do it- you trade away Drake, Howard, Wilson, Grant, Stills, Parker, Wake, Kiko, Tannehill, etc. Clear the board of ready-today talent and continue the youth movement. It would actually be fairly easy if you started trading and loading up on 2020 picks.
     
  27. Big Phin

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    I'd love to have R Wilson on this team. Being an NC State guy, all I've done is watch that guy win. Yeah, there are some throws he can't make and he has a few "WTF was Russ thinking?" moments but he more than makes up for it in other areas.
     
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  28. KeyFin

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    You obviously missed one of the greatest football games of all time. Flutie is a folk hero/super-villain in Miami and I'll never forget that Orange Bowl game. I was just a kid can can still vividly remember those closing minutes of the 4th quarter.
     
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  29. cbrad

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    Well.. as others have said, not sure how you can say much negative about Russell Wilson. Statistically, his career z-score passer rating is 1.1217 (standard deviations above the mean), and keep in mind a +1 standard deviation is the average level needed for an offense and QB in any given year to win the SB. Playing at that high a level for a career, at least so far, is pretty amazing.

    Flutie on the other hand has a z-score of -0.1344 which is slightly below average. Tannehill is almost exactly average. So if you think Tannehill isn't good, Flutie was statistically worse using only passer rating. And taking defense into account pulls both of them down, Wilson more of course. Wilson takes about a -0.4 hit while Flutie takes about a -0.1 hit (Tannehill takes no hit adjusting by defense), but then if you added QB rushing it would pull them up a bit.

    Point is.. Wilson is elite and a near certainty to get into the HoF while Flutie was statistically no better than Tannehill and arguably worse, though Flutie's best was possibly better than Tannehill's best.
     
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  30. Big Phin

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    I remember that as a young teen. How many times did many of us just go to the park with our friends and just chunked the ball in the air and yelled "Flutie!"?

    :tongue:
     
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  31. Big Phin

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    It might be a little early for this, but Daniel Jones of Duke just announced he's going pro. He's projected to be middle first round. 6-5, 220, good arm.
     
  32. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Okay, please don't compare being black to being under 5'10

    One is a physical limitation which presents a legitimate concern and one has no bearing on anything. If you arent sure which is which....well....good luck.
     
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  33. texanphinatic

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    They are both biases that can negatively affect evaluation.

    Perhaps being short is a major detriment, but there are successful short QBs, and if a QB is short in college but able to succeed, then his success or failure in the pros is unlikely to be due to height.
     
  34. djphinfan

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    This post is not worth it..all of them.. not worth it..too many alterior motives going on here..
     
  35. Serpico Jones

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    Who cares? He still sucked.
     
  36. AGuyNamedAlex

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    A few points:

    1) Success being short in college means nothing in the pros. It's like saying your lack of arm strength was fine in college so it won't hurt in the NFL. We know that is false. The degree it matters may be debatable but it does matter.

    2) I'm not saying it's a deficiency that some people can't overcome. What Wilson has done with no height is similar to what Pennington did with no arm. It's impressive, but not common.

    3) It's not a bias, it's a fact that it is a limitation in a LOT of ways. While the example of being black is 100% bias based on racism rather than physical ability.
     
  37. F1Cobra03

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    You're really going to compare the CFL to the NFL to support your argument?
     
  38. Galant

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    Alright guys - what do you reckon - I have to say that assuming he comes back from injury alright next year, I'm on-board with targeting to pick him:


     
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  39. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Flutie definitely didn't suck, but no he's not in the top 50 QB I'd take to start a team.
     
  40. TheHighExhaulted

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    Z score lol
     

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