New England is DONE

They'll be back. I'm not crazy enough to count them out.

"Pagan wrote:

They'll be back. I'm not crazy enough to count them out.

Pretty much this.
Until i see that, i wont belive it.

Yeah, but they have like 5 pics in the first 2 rounds. They should be able to find some new talent to plug into those holes you speak of. They still worry me.

Back in 2003 or so, I learned never to count New England out of a game. Sure enough, they'd always find a way to win. But then they lost their mojo, and turned into a team that couldn't get it done in the big games.

That's sort of a microcosm of where they are as a team. We'll probably split with them from here until eternity, but they aren't a powerhouse any more.

"shaunm000 wrote:

Yeah, but they have like 5 pics in the first 2 rounds. They should be able to find some new talent to plug into those holes you speak of. They still worry me.

They have 4 picks in the first two rounds this year (currently). However, they have Oakland's 1st rounder in 2011, so even if they are down for a year or so, they have the resources in place to pick it back pretty quickly. They also had the 4 picks last year in the first 2 rounds who will be huge if they grow into starters.

"Stitches wrote:

They have 4 picks in the first two rounds this year (currently). However, they have Oakland's 1st rounder in 2011, so even if they are down for a year or so, they have the resources in place to pick it back pretty quickly. They also had the 4 picks last year in the first 2 rounds who will be huge if they grow into starters.

True, but they have NOT done so well in the last couple of drafts.
Also, having a gazillion picks means you wikk either have a gazillion rookies start, or will make 1/2 gazillion bad picks.
Signing more High-end picks means less FA money.
Moss is getting older and slower.
Brady is a shadow of his former self and got beat up A LOT.
They have NOBODY behind Brady for the future.
The O-line is getting old and slow.
-They were fortunate to play teams as they were down this year, Tenn, Atl the Jests...all at low-points of their season.
They were exposed by a good defense.
I do think they are MUCH closer to circling the drain.

"azfinfanmang wrote:

True, but they have NOT done so well in the last couple of drafts.
Also, having a gazillion picks means you wikk either have a gazillion rookies start, or will make 1/2 gazillion bad picks.
Signing more High-end picks means less FA money.
Moss is getting older and slower.
Brady is a shadow of his former self and got beat up A LOT.
They have NOBODY behind Brady for the future.
The O-line is getting old and slow.
-They were fortunate to play teams as they were down this year, Tenn, Atl the Jests...all at low-points of their season.
They were exposed by a good defense.
I do think they are MUCH closer to circling the drain.

That's why I said if they grow into starters. :wink2:

I am well aware that recent picks appear to be ho-hum, but it could turn around quickly.

"azfinfanmang wrote:

True, but they have NOT done so well in the last couple of drafts.
Also, having a gazillion picks means you wikk either have a gazillion rookies start, or will make 1/2 gazillion bad picks.
Signing more High-end picks means less FA money.
Moss is getting older and slower.
Brady is a shadow of his former self and got beat up A LOT.
They have NOBODY behind Brady for the future.
The O-line is getting old and slow.
-They were fortunate to play teams as they were down this year, Tenn, Atl the Jests...all at low-points of their season.
They were exposed by a good defense.
I do think they are MUCH closer to circling the drain.

Excellent points.

"Stitches wrote:

That's why I said if they grow into starters. :wink2:

I am well aware that recent picks appear to be ho-hum, but it could turn around quickly.

I don't think it will turn atound quickly, a team full of rookies just doesn't do that, BUT, according to the Parc-Land way of drafting, if you throw enough picks at one position, you will eventually pick a winner.
The Pats better start throwing some high-picks at the QB position.
Regardless of what the media says, Brady was not so great this year, and he is starting to get old, and hurt.

i want the pats to be done more than anyone.

i would love nothing more than their drafting to be that of sloths on the football field.

i agree their concerns you posted are legit, but they have too many picks to rebound from this. they're on the mat and in a choke hold, but to me they haven't submitted yet. i'm waiting for the day. it will come.

Towards the end of the game yesterday, they showed a couple Ravens players facing the crowd saying, "I'm sorry, but your era, is over!", and then repeating it several times :lol:

"GARDENHEAD wrote:

I expect New England to be an 8-8 team next year. Consider the following:

1. Their recent drafts have been downright Wannestedtian. Only 2 players remain from the 2006 draft (Maroney, Gotskowski). Only 1 player remains from the 2007 draft (Merriweather).

2. Their o-line cannot protect Brady. Yes, they played the Ravens, but this has been their problem all season.

3. They have NO RBs. Faulk, Morris, and Taylor are old men. Maroney is a fumble machine who isnt that good anyway.

4. Welker will miss/not be up to 100% for 2010. You don't blow out your knee making a routine cut, and make a full recovery. And I don't care how good Edelman looked on Sunday, he ain't Wes Welker.

5. No leaders on defense.

6. No pass rush all season.

7. All empires must crumble. Its simply their time.

Yes, they still have Bellicheck and Brady and Moss, but these guys had their run and now its over. Buh-bye. Thanks for playing. You got lucky in a few Super Bowls and unlucky in another.

I hope you are right. But they are like coackroaches....they always seem to find a way. (at least they always do in the last 10 years)

I think it's hard to count any team out.
BUT, yesterday was such a wonderful thing to see. To see "the mighty" fall as they did was as good as us sweeping the jests this year.

"dolphindebby wrote:

I think it's hard to count any team out.
BUT, yesterday was such a wonderful thing to see. To see "the mighty" fall as they did was as good as us sweeping the jests this year.

To see Tammy Brady repeatedly thrown the ground and pummeled was priceless.
To see the Randy Moss of old, you know, running his infamous "Jog" route-repeatedly was classic.
I kept waiting for Billicheat to pull him while they were down so far :lol:

"azfinfanmang wrote:

To see Tammy Brady repeatedly thrown the ground and pummeled was priceless.
To see the Randy Moss of old, you know, running his infamous "Jog" route-repeatedly was classic.
I kept waiting for Billicheat to pull him while they were down so far :lol:

My husband, who doesn't watch much football, was even laughing at belicheat & tammy. They were actually pouting. Moss looked flat out lathargic to me. Like he had no desire to even be there.
Wonder who'll get the blame for this loss?:pointlol:

"dolphindebby wrote:

Wonder who'll get the blame for this loss?:pointlol:

Pretty sure it was a combination of the field conditions, lack of the need for a snow-blower and the inability to record the Ravens via an illegal camera :up:

I said after the 2007 season I thought they were done. They were a very old team who's gotten even older.

And yes, their drafts have been pedestrian, which is why they're starting to crumble. You mentioned the guys that are still left from past drafts, Merriweather is one of them and he looked downright horrible yesterday.

Also, I haven't heard anyone mention it, but Randy Moss looked like he gave no effort yesterday. His routes (the ones they showed replays of) were pathetic.

"HardKoreXXX wrote:

Also, I haven't heard anyone mention it, but Randy Moss looked like he gave no effort yesterday. His routes (the ones they showed replays of) were pathetic.

I did mention it, with reference to his "Jog" routes :lol:
You have me on ignore again :whack:

"Stitches wrote:

They have 4 picks in the first two rounds this year (currently). However, they have Oakland's 1st rounder in 2011, so even if they are down for a year or so, they have the resources in place to pick it back pretty quickly. They also had the 4 picks last year in the first 2 rounds who will be huge if they grow into starters.

See there's the rub,except for a couple of got luckies,they really dont draft very well under Bellicheat.They are very adept at finding guys off of other teams scrap heaps. But drafting nicht so gut

If one looks at the patrtiots player pro moves, you have to scratch your head and say WTH?

They have an absolute glut of high picks invested in Secondary players, Merriweather, Sanders, Butler, Wheatley and a couple of other guys they invested #2 or #3 picks into, who now cannot see much playing time.

Trading Seymour for a #1 was good, however as terrible strategically as they have drafted it is no surprise they have not won a SB since 04, when Dmitroff left they just are not as sharp on the player personnel side of the ledger.

Rumor has it they may go after Julius Peppers, which they probably should do.

But still, anyone who watched them knows, a couple of sacks or hits on Brady and he loses interest quickly.

Look at how they draft,theyve got a 1st round pick at TE who our TE out performed for the last two years now,theyve got a 1st round pick at RB who our methusela Ricky Williams out preformed,theyve got a 1st round pick at guard for the love of god. These are not 1st round positions

"MrPaul13 wrote:

Look at how they draft,theyve got a 1st round pick at TE who our TE out performed for the last two years now,theyve got a 1st round pick at RB who our methusela Ricky Williams out preformed,theyve got a 1st round pick at guard for the love of god. These are not 1st round positions

They are first round positions, theuy just haven't picked well in the first round.
Even Mayo has been "Adequate" but far from spectacular.
If anybody wants more insight, I suggest going to the "Stats" of this last game at www.sportsline.com.
Some of the comments by several of their players towards the bottom is interesting.
Not nearly as cocky or arrogant as in years past.
Also, a couple of comments in there about Wilfork probably not being there next year.
That would be an absolute disaster for them.

"azfinfanmang wrote:

They are first round positions, theuy just haven't picked well in the first round.
Even Mayo has been "Adequate" but far from spectacular.
If anybody wants more insight, I suggest going to the "Stats" of this last game at www.sportsline.com.
Some of the comments by several of their players towards the bottom is interesting.
Not nearly as cocky or arrogant as in years past.
Also, a couple of comments in there about Wilfork probably not being there next year.
That would be an absolute disaster for them.

Maybe Tony Gonzalez or Jeremy Shockey,but BENJAMIN WATSON?

Nah nah nah nah; hey hey; good bye....