Ndamukong Suh / Albert Hayneworth: A Comparison
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MonstBlitzforum_veteranOPI know everyone is tickled pink over this signing. Miami Dolphins will win free agency again! By dumping tons of money on a DT. Well lower your cheerios and let me take aim. My teeth are floating.
I'm sure many of you will rush to tell me how crazy I am to compare the Haynesworth deal to Suh. Haynesworth was a bum, no work ethic, etc. etc. etc. But if you travel back in time to before the Redskins signed him, you would fine fans saying the same things about Hayneworth that they say about Suh today. A dominant player. A game changer on defense.
The deal? Miami reportedly will sign a deal with Suh that could be worth 114 M. The Haynesworth deal was for 115 M.
Haynesworth was in trouble for stomping on dudes before being eventually traded. Suh? Nuff said.
Both the Lions and Titans respectively didn't try very hard to resign. Why not?
Age - Everyone keeps saying this deal is different because Suh is in his prime. Haynesworth was 1 year older at 28 when he went to Washington.
Albert even had some advice for Suh recently -
“He needs to really study, like, who he’s thinking about going to,” Haynesworth said. “Also, you need to kind of look at the track record of the coach, see if he’s going to stay, talk to some former players, just to get the inside scoop about it, and make sure that they’re playing the exact same defense as Detroit.”
Well, it looks like the first bit of advice fell on deaf ears if this deal happens. Philbin is as lame duck a coach as it gets.
As for the defense, I'll leave it to those on the board who know more about schemes than I do to cite whether Miami and Detroit's defenses are identical or not. This is probably the one area where Albert went into a much worse scenario than Suh did. I think he went from 4-3 to a 3-4 right? I could have that wrong though.
If this happens, and it sounds like it will, I hope it works out. But I'm not doing backflips if and when this happens. Because we've been down this road before. Landing the biggest free agent during free agency, only to suffer the same mediocre results when it matters. While the teams that build through the draft steal the glory. Hope I'm wrong. Please everyone feel free to explain to me why this is different, I'm all ears.
dolfan22subscriberNot sure why you say the Lions didn't try very hard to sign Suh ?
CitizenSnipsNew MemberWe have not been down this road before. Suh is a potential hall of famer.
Lions did try hard to bring him back. Hell they still are.
Also you are completely ignoring work ethic. Haynesworth had work ethic issues in Tennessee. Suh never had those problems in Detroit. He's as dedicated as dedicated gets.
dolfan22subscriber"Anonymous wrote:
Lions did try hard to bring him back. Hell they still are.
Also you are completely ignoring work ethic. Haynesworth had work ethic issues in Tennessee. Suh never had those problems in Detroit. He's as dedicated as dedicated gets.
Pair that dedication with Wake's and you have some serious synergy.
Vertical Limitforum_veteranThe lions offer was 2 million less than ours lol and their state has 4.25% income tax. They did try to get him, but Suh would make more playing in Florida and plus our bid was slightly higher.
NolePhin15New MemberNo one in their right mind would choose to be a millionaire in Detroit over Miami.
Mcduffie81subscriberYou missed my Cheerios.
"There is nothing to fear, except everyone trying to tackle me." - Ted Ginn Jr.
djphinfansubscriberWtf blitz...
He wanted to be here..the most dominat force in the game wanted to be here..
Kong..
Good point. When you give someone that much guaranteed money, you'd better make sure he has a strong desire to win a title, or he could very well take that money and call it a career.
Even before that big pay day Haynesworth had questions about being lazy, taking plays off, and not putting in enough work in the offseason. Suh has never had those red flags. Suh is a workhorse. Never takes plays off. His work ethic has never been questioned. It's a joke some people are even trying to compare really.
Muckretired_adminThe Lions offered to make him the highest paid defender ever. And their officials are currently insulting Miami in the press while hoping Suh will reneg and come back to Detroit before Tuesday.
It's a great acquisition. Hopefully we structured the contract to where it isn't too insane at any point.
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Why compare a player with no drive to a player that plays like he is insane? Remember the "God" of Football couldnt get Fat Hayneworth to try...
"LiferYank wrote:
Why compare a player with no drive to a player that plays like he is insane? Remember the "God" of Football couldnt get Fat Hayneworth to try...
Lol if anything Suh plays with too much emotion. Can't believe some are questioning his drive and work ethic.
branNew Memberhaynesworth was great for about 2 years got a huge contract, and then got fat and lazy. i don't see that happening with suh.
byroan;2178644 wrote:
Tannehill could have had more time had Clabo just fell down and forced Mario to step over him.
Stitchesluxury_boxSo we're going to ignore that Suh has been a pro bowler since his rookie year (save for his 2nd), while Haynesworth was not until season #7?
2017 Dream Draft (3/17 – NFLDraftScout ~ Rankings used)
22. Zach Cunningham, LB, Vandy
54. Desmond King, S/DB, Iowa
97. Demarcus Walker, DE, FSU
166. Jermaine Eluemunor, OL, TAMU
178. George Kittle, TE, Iowa
184. Charles Walker, DT, Oklahoma
223. Aviante Collins, OL, TCU
Stitchesluxury_box"bran wrote:
haynesworth was great for about 2 years got a huge contract, and then got fat and lazy. i don't see that happening with suh.
This.
2017 Dream Draft (3/17 – NFLDraftScout ~ Rankings used)
22. Zach Cunningham, LB, Vandy
54. Desmond King, S/DB, Iowa
97. Demarcus Walker, DE, FSU
166. Jermaine Eluemunor, OL, TAMU
178. George Kittle, TE, Iowa
184. Charles Walker, DT, Oklahoma
223. Aviante Collins, OL, TCU
54Finsforum_veteranHaters will hate, but that's ok.
I have my own agenda and opinions. Love this signing!
"Stitches wrote:
So we're going to ignore that Suh has been a pro bowler since his rookie year (save for his 2nd), while Haynesworth was not until season #7?
Yes because he is a Dolphin so we need to find ways to trash him... ;)
Honestly i saw the same thing living in CT with Red Sox fans. You get so used to finding ways to lose that you are always the pessimist. Then once you win the fan base becomes the spoiled brats who expect to win everything..
resnorforum_veteranThey hate us cause they anus.
MonstBlitzforum_veteran"djphinfan wrote:
Wtf blitz...
He wanted to be here..the most dominat force in the game wanted to be here..
Kong..
I do like the fact that Miami was able to target a free agent and land him. And that Suh apparently wants to be here.
I just seriously question whether this is the right formula to building a winning team. Dumping tons of money on the DT position. I guess time will tell.
Also, yes, it's clear Detroit is trying harder than the Titans did to sign Hayneworth. But they still aren't offering as much as Miami. The current team has more information than anyone. They are in the best position to know what a player is worth. So anytime a competing team outbids the incumbent team, you have to be concerned.
"MonstBlitz wrote:
I do like the fact that Miami was able to target a free agent and land him. And that Suh apparently wants to be here.
I just seriously question whether this is the right formula to building a winning team. Dumping tons of money on the DT position. I guess time will tell.
Also, yes, it's clear Detroit is trying harder than the Titans did to sign Hayneworth. But they still aren't offering as much as Miami. The current team has more information than anyone. They are in the best position to know what a player is worth. So anytime a competing team outbids the incumbent team, you have to be concerned.
How is the Lions cap space compared to ours?
MonstBlitzforum_veteranAlso, anyone who thinks I'm a Suh hater is wrong. If Miami signs him, I will cheer for him just as hard as I cheer for any other player, and I'll hope he is the magic piece that gets this team out of mediocrity. I'm going to need to see it to believe it though.
Alex13subscriberhere it is the cry baby thread.....unreal
MonstBlitzforum_veteran"LiferYank wrote:
How is the Lions cap space compared to ours?
If it's cap related, it still points to how the team values Suh. They could certainly clear cap space if they felt he was a crucial enough piece of the puzzle.
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