My updated available QB rankings

It's all on the Tuna.

Brennan just proved what he really is: A QB who can play against teams that don't pressure him- a QB who plays great in a system as long as it creates mismatches against weaker teams. I've been saying all along that he won't be a good NFL QB. Granted, one game doesn't prove anything and it wasn't his fault he was sacked 8 times and constantly pressured. Georgia had him rattled and frustrated.

Anyway, aside from the bowl game performance, it's typical for QBs who play in spread, wide-open style offenses in college to struggle in the pros. There are a number of examples of this. For whatever reason, it just doesn't transition into the NFL. Some might disagree, but I just don't see anything special about Brennan.

"Roman529 wrote:

1. Ryan
2. Brohm
3. Woodson
4. Henne
5. Brennan

I think Brennan's play tonight just dropped him from a 2nd round pick, to a possible 3rd or 4th. Henne looked really good today. Poise in the pocket, accuracy, and toughness. If we are going to draft a QB, we better do it early. If not, look for a QB lineup of Beck, Lemon and a free agent.

I don't look for Lemon to be back. We'll have Beck, a veteran free agent, and a journeyman type free agent as the third QB (if we don't draft one late).

I think it would have been very difficult for Ton Brady to have established himself last night let alone Colt Brennan. Mark Richt had a gameplan to contain Hawaii and it was to bring as much pressure as possible to cut it off at the source and it worked. I don't see how one game knocks Brennan down 2 rounds. What I think is much more important are the Senior Bowl practices in Mobile.

"Boomer wrote:

I think it would have been very difficult for Ton Brady to have established himself last night let alone Colt Brennan. Mark Richt had a gameplan to contain Hawaii and it was to bring as much pressure as possible to cut it off at the source and it worked. I don't see how one game knocks Brennan down 2 rounds. What I think is much more important are the Senior Bowl practices in Mobile.

I agree, no doubt, that Brennan had little chance against Georgia. Their game plan was great and they worked it to perfection and gave Brennan fits. Basically, I'm just pointing out the fact that Brennans numbers are so great because of how well he plays in the spread system against what is by far weaker opponents than he faced yesterday. (Typically). I also worry about QBs who come from those types of offenses. They just never seem to pan out in the NFL.

His stock could definitely go up after the combines. He'll need a very good one to push his stock back up after the game Tuesday - even though being outmanned and outcoached is not his fault. The NFL scouts, fair or not, seem to frown on games like this and, in their minds, it always reflects on the QB.

I see Brennan as a project QB who definitely has the tools, but has a lot to learn before he is an effective player in the pros. What do you think Boom? What kind of time-table do you see for him? And where do you see him going in the draft. I say Mid-3rd to early 4th. As of right now that is.

hopefully we can trade down and get a ryan...but if we cant we can go defense with the #1 pick and maybe get brennan in the 2nd-3rd round

Non of them are worth the 1st pick in the draft

how about chris long yesterday ? .... beast..... draft vernon gholston

"Roman529 wrote:

1. Ryan
2. Brohm
3. Woodson
4. Henne
5. Brennan

I think Brennan's play tonight just dropped him from a 2nd round pick, to a possible 3rd or 4th. Henne looked really good today. Poise in the pocket, accuracy, and toughness. If we are going to draft a QB, we better do it early. If not, look for a QB lineup of Beck, Lemon and a free agent.

Agreed with your take on this Roman. Another QB who rose in my books was Ainge but that may be because I simply wrote him off. He's probably a 3rd rounder also and I think will go before Brennan. The wild card is of course Flacco but we'll have to wait until the all star games and combine before any slot can be assigned him with any confidence

It wouldn't surprise me if one of the top three (Ryan, Brohm and Woodson) fall to the second round just because there might not be teams interested. Free agency is going to be very interesting this season, there might be some decent quarterbacls floating around.

Being a Florida fan. I will say Henne did look good yesterday, but we didn't give him much pressure either. You really like to see how a qb reacts to pressure. I think another you can add to that list is Eric Ainge he makes quick reads and gets rid of the ball quickly!

To rank Brennan on last nights game is extremely inaccurate. There isnt a QB in the land that couldve done any better.

Now then, I have been saying for a month, and I still stick to it. There isnt a QB in the draft worthy of a top 10 pick..and I dont think that any are in the top 30 players overall..

"azfinfanmang wrote:

To rank Brennan on last nights game is extremely inaccurate. There isnt a QB in the land that couldve done any better.

Now then, I have been saying for a month, and I still stick to it. There isnt a QB in the draft worthy of a top 10 pick..and I dont think that any are in the top 30 players overall..

Couldn't agree more.

"azfinfanmang wrote:

To rank Brennan on last nights game is extremely inaccurate. There isnt a QB in the land that couldve done any better.

Now then, I have been saying for a month, and I still stick to it. There isnt a QB in the draft worthy of a top 10 pick..and I dont think that any are in the top 30 players overall..

The problem is too many uninformed fans expect a qb to come in and fix our problems on offense. In truth we need to fix our offense before any qb can have success. I still think Parcells will ride with Beck and pick a qb in free agency. Beck will be fine!

"azfinfanmang wrote:

To rank Brennan on last nights game is extremely inaccurate. There isnt a QB in the land that couldve done any better.

Now then, I have been saying for a month, and I still stick to it. There isnt a QB in the draft worthy of a top 10 pick..and I dont think that any are in the top 30 players overall..

Nah, Ryan and Brohm are at least top 30 players for this draft. Whether or not they're top 10 is debateable, but they're both most definately top 30 prospects.

If you're so confident, name those 30 players.

"azfinfanmang wrote:

To rank Brennan on last nights game is extremely inaccurate. There isnt a QB in the land that couldve done any better.

Now then, I have been saying for a month, and I still stick to it. There isnt a QB in the draft worthy of a top 10 pick..and I dont think that any are in the top 30 players overall..

I think you overrate the talent available at other positions. Ryan is definitely top ten on talent alone and Brohm is probably also. When you add in how much more important the QB position is when compared to others and how much more difficult it is to find a quality QB Ryan goes top 5

"SCall13 wrote:

I agree, no doubt, that Brennan had little chance against Georgia. Their game plan was great and they worked it to perfection and gave Brennan fits. Basically, I'm just pointing out the fact that Brennans numbers are so great because of how well he plays in the spread system against what is by far weaker opponents than he faced yesterday. (Typically). I also worry about QBs who come from those types of offenses. They just never seem to pan out in the NFL.

His stock could definitely go up after the combines. He'll need a very good one to push his stock back up after the game Tuesday - even though being outmanned and outcoached is not his fault. The NFL scouts, fair or not, seem to frown on games like this and, in their minds, it always reflects on the QB.

I see Brennan as a project QB who definitely has the tools, but has a lot to learn before he is an effective player in the pros. What do you think Boom? What kind of time-table do you see for him? And where do you see him going in the draft. I say Mid-3rd to early 4th. As of right now that is.

Those "weaker" opponents that Hawaii faced had probably just as much talent as the Hawaii team did though, if not more. Do you know the recruiting budget at Hawaii? June Jones hasn't taken a recruiting trip on the mainland in something like 3 years.

Oh, and Warren Moon came from this type of offense.

"LouPhinFan wrote:

Nah, Ryan and Brohm are at least top 30 players for this draft. Whether or not they're top 10 is debateable, but they're both most definately top 30 prospects.

If you're so confident, name those 30 players.

Of course this is all subjective, but will be easy.

In no particular order

Chris Johnson
Derreick McFadden
Mike Hart
Malcolm Kelly
LImas Sweed
Desean Jackson
Early Doucet
Mario Manningham
Fred Davis
Martin Rucker
Jake Long
Jeff Otah
Ryan Clady
Gosder Cherilus
Sam Baker
Eric Young
Chris Long
Vernon Gholston
Calais Campbell
Quentin Groves
Chris Ellis
Glenn Dorsey
Kentwan Balmer
Sedrick Ellis
Frank Okam
Marcus Harrison
Dan Connor
Shawn Crable
James Laurengitus
Beau Bell
Keith Rivers
Ali Highsmith
J Leman
Mike Jenkins
Malcolm Jenkins
Antoine Cason
Kenny Phillips

I could easily add to this list.....

"LouPhinFan wrote:

Nah, Ryan and Brohm are at least top 30 players for this draft. Whether or not they're top 10 is debateable, but they're both most definately top 30 prospects.

If you're so confident, name those 30 players.

Well I can think of about 20 of the top of my head. 30 might be a stretch but I can definitely see how some can legitimately think there are a solid 15-20 prospects ahead of any QB.

Chris Long
Glen Dorsey
Vernon Gholston
Darren McFadden
Jake Long
Mike Jenkins
Jeff Otah
Gosder Cherilus
Sedrick Ellis
Dan Connor
James Lauranitis
Keith Rivers
Limas Sweed
Early Doucet
Ryan Clady
Derrick Harvey
Kenny Phillips
Adarius Bowman
Quentin Groves
Chris Ellis
Ali Highsmith

"adamprez2003 wrote:

I think you overrate the talent available at other positions. Ryan is definitely top ten on talent alone and Brohm is probably also. When you add in how much more important the QB position is when compared to others and how much more difficult it is to find a quality QB Ryan goes top 5

Potato-potato..

And I say you are WAY over-rating Ryan. Both on Talent and skill.

"adamprez2003 wrote:

I think you overrate the talent available at other positions. Ryan is definitely top ten on talent alone and Brohm is probably also. When you add in how much more important the QB position is when compared to others and how much more difficult it is to find a quality QB Ryan goes top 5

On the contrary, QBs are usually overrated because of their position. A top 10 QB could easily be only top 30 talent wise.

"adamprez2003 wrote:

Agreed with your take on this Roman. Another QB who rose in my books was Ainge but that may be because I simply wrote him off. He's probably a 3rd rounder also and I think will go before Brennan. The wild card is of course Flacco but we'll have to wait until the all star games and combine before any slot can be assigned him with any confidence

Prez, I think you may want to take another longer look at Eric Ainge. He is a guy that people will like because of his size and stats (and they are good)...but he gets a lot of 2 receiver routes, does not move very well, and although he checks down he usually has an automatic check down and does not truly "read" defense. He locks on almost every throw, not an exaggeration.....

Flacco is a small school guy that we want to see do well and will value higher than scouts IMHO. Flacco has no, nada, zero mobility a big arm that is below average in accuracy, limited "touch", is a 2 year starter against questionable competition....his arm will get him drafted but I do not see much more than that.

Matt Flynn is the guy that to me has the "it" factor....Boomer said it, this guy refuses to lose and STEPS UP with pressure where Ainge fades. He does not Ainge's or Flacco's size or arm, but he sees the field and has incredible awareness on the football field...I take Flynn much higher than he will probably be drafted.

FWIW my QB ratings:

Ryan
Woodson
Brennan
Brohm (not hugely impressed with his arm)
Flynn
Booty
Henne
Dixon
Paul Smith (yeah I know I am crazy, but project 20 lbs. on him and a bit better developed body???.....)
Ainge
Ben Mauk (if he does not get 6th year)
Flacco
J. Johnson (limited in actually seeing....need some DVD's if anyone can help)

On the bright side, at least Brennan still had the courage and the same eagernous to want to continue playing even when June Jones held him back in the 4th quarter. I don't know if that's just good conditioning but what we do know is that he wanted to continue playing not for the sake of his draft stock (if he cared so much about te oney, he would've left last year but he wanted to set an example for Hawai'i even after he leaves this year.

"phinfanuk wrote:

It wouldn't surprise me if one of the top three (Ryan, Brohm and Woodson) fall to the second round just because there might not be teams interested. Free agency is going to be very interesting this season, there might be some decent quarterbacls floating around.

Yes I agree:thumbup: