My opinion we dont have a bigtime coach or Qb

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

You will really see this on Christmas Eve when the stadium is 70% Cowboys fans.

Which astounds me since the Cowboys have been a hot mess since Jimmy and Jerry divorced.

"Rick 1966 wrote:

No, you have it backwards. Teams that win big draw loyal fan bases for generations. The Cowboys, the 49ers, the Steelers. Teams that underachieve have the fan bases they deserve. There are very, very few exceptions to this...the Jets, the Browns, the Bears.

We disagree..

It’s not a discussion I really want to have no offense to you. I’ve talked about it many years on this board

I also disagree that it will be 70 percent cowboy fans, that’s someone pulling a number out their ass

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

Which astounds me since the Cowboys have been a hot mess since Jimmy and Jerry divorced.

The thing is, though, the Cowboys had two different dynasties, in the 70s and the 90s. That pulled in multiple generations of fans, and a portion of their children and grandchildren as well.

"djphinfan wrote:

I also disagree that it will be 70 percent cowboy fans, that’s someone pulling a number out their ***

You're underestimating Cowboys fans. It will be more than 50% for sure.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

You're underestimating Cowboys fans. It will be more than 50% for sure.

Cowboys fans travel well.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

You're underestimating Cowboys fans. It will be more than 50% for sure.

Yeah you dont know that

"djphinfan wrote:

Yeah you dont know that

Yeah. Miami home fans don’t fill the stadium. We haven’t had a reason in a long time but once we win the SB this year we’re going to see more support.

I've gone to Jet / Dolphin games in NJ where it was 1/3 Miami fans.

"djphinfan wrote:

Yeah you dont know that

You're being naive. When the big teams come in, it's not even close. The Ravens playoff game in 08 was a Ravens home game.

"ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:

I think it would do us all some good to go ahead and throw out those first two seasons under Flores. The guy had no vision as a coach. I mean we had co-offensive coordinators for crying out loud.

Yeah...I think there is more truth there than I realize.

Thinking about it, one thing that really soured me was being told that Tua would not play until he was completely healed and ready to go. Then then bench the guy who's winning to roll with Tua, and he looked bad. I remember thinking "THIS is what a fully healed, ready to go Tua is?"

So I think you're right, Flores really did fuck Tua, and some of my really underlying perceptions of him.

"Finatik wrote:

Yeah. Miami home fans don’t fill the stadium. We haven’t had a reason in a long time but once we win the SB this year we’re going to see more support.

Y’all throwing around blanket statements

We all know opposing fans buy tickets to our home games. But it ain’t know 70 percent that’s just a dumb statement

"resnor wrote:

Yeah...I think there is more truth there than I realize.

Thinking about it, one thing that really soured me was being told that Tua would not play until he was completely healed and ready to go. Then then bench the guy who's winning to roll with Tua, and he looked bad. I remember thinking "THIS is what a fully healed, ready to go Tua is?"

So I think you're right, Flores really did **** Tua, and some of my really underlying perceptions of him.

Yes he did, but that doesn't mean some of the lingering concerns aren't validated. The injuries are a concern until he can prove otherwise. Football is a team sport on both sides, but he's come up short a few times of what we know he's capable of against the better teams in the league. But...One could argue that we got our asses kicked up front in each of our three losses this year.

Right now, there is a clear, concise blueprint on how to beat us and that is to beat us up in the trenches and control TOP. Do that to us and we're an average team in this league. Do that to any team and they struggle, doesn't matter who the QB is. With that being said, some of this is on Tua and he's got to figure it out. I personally think we've got our guy. To me he's Warren Moon, Drew Brees. That's not bad company to be compared to. Others want Marino 2.0 or a 6'5 physical specimen who can throw 90 yard darts all game long. I say physical attributes will get you drafted. They'll get you through the front door but they aren't the final answer. It's the equivalent of being a good looking man. Ok... You'll get a date and possibly more, but are you fun? Charismatic? Are you a potential partner? Father? Are you stable? Hard working? The list goes on. I think Tua has ALL these other traits going for him minus the laser rocket arm paired with a 6'6 gazelle frame which he has proven he doesn't need.

The only concern I have with him at this point is the injuries. I'd like to see him rise above in the guts of the game more than we've seen (but we have seen it). Other than that, I see a confident quarterback who believes in himself, I see a person that works his butt off to prepare, and I see one of the most accurate Quarterbacks in the entire league. We're in good hands, we just need to stop getting smoked up front. Get some guys who can fight back and we'll be good. Give him time to throw and it won't matter who he's throwing to. The guy can easily turn Braxton Berrios into a 1200 yard receiver with time.

"djphinfan wrote:

Y’all throwing around blanket statements

We all know opposing fans buy tickets to our home games. But it ain’t know 70 percent that’s just a dumb statement

Modern day NFL gameday experience is littered with other fans. Every single stadium in the NFL has this problem. People take vacations and travel to see their teams play.. I watched a Seahawk game packed with opposing fans. Miami fans takeover East Rutherford, NJ.

Miami has gotten significantly better. this isn't the same place that basically hosted a Ravens game 10 years ago.

"ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:

Yes he did, but that doesn't mean some of the lingering concerns aren't validated. The injuries are a concern until he can prove otherwise. Football is a team sport on both sides, but he's come up short a few times of what we know he's capable of against the better teams in the league. But...One could argue that we got our asses kicked up front in each of our three losses this year.

Right now, there is a clear, concise blueprint on how to beat us and that is to beat us up in the trenches and control TOP. Do that to us and we're an average team in this league. Do that to any team and they struggle, doesn't matter who the QB is. With that being said, some of this is on Tua and he's got to figure it out. I personally think we've got our guy. To me he's Warren Moon, Drew Brees. That's not bad company to be compared to. Others want Marino 2.0 or a 6'5 physical specimen who can throw 90 yard darts all game long. I say physical attributes will get you drafted. They'll get you through the front door but they aren't the final answer. It's the equivalent of being a good looking man. Ok... You'll get a date and possibly more, but are you fun? Charismatic? Are you a potential partner? Father? Are you stable? Hard working? The list goes on. I think Tua has ALL these other traits going for him minus the laser rocket arm paired with a 6'6 gazelle frame which he has proven he doesn't need.

The only concern I have with him at this point is the injuries. I'd like to see him rise above in the guts of the game more than we've seen (but we have seen it). Other than that, I see a confident quarterback who believes in himself, I see a person that works his butt off to prepare, and I see one of the most accurate Quarterbacks in the entire league. We're in good hands, we just need to stop getting smoked up front. Get some guys who can fight back and we'll be good. Give him time to throw and it won't matter who he's throwing to. The guy can easily turn Braxton Berrios into a 1200 yard receiver with time.

My concerns with Tua and injuries rest with the offensive line, not Tua himself. I've heard everyone express their concerns about Tua and injuries for the last two years, but I don't know these concerns ae still being expressed.

Last season, Tua was blasted against Buffalo during week 3 and concussed against Cincinnati week 4...and again on Christmas Day against the Packers.

The prior year, Tua was blasted early in the season and he was out for 4 weeks with an injury to his ribs.

We're on week 10 this season and thus far, Tua hasn't been injured. Better offensive line play along with Tua's ju-jitsu training and new helmet, he hasnt been hurt at all, so I think the continued concerned about Tua and injuries is misplaced.

Now, if there are those who have concerns about our offensive performance against "teams with winning records", that concern needs to be addressed to McDaniel and not Tua.

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

My concerns with Tua and injuries rest with the offensive line, not Tua himself. I've heard everyone express their concerns about Tua and injuries for the last two years, but I don't know these concerns ae still being expressed.

Last season, Tua was blasted against Buffalo during week 3 and concussed against Cincinnati week 4...and again on Christmas Day against the Packers.

The prior year, Tua was blasted early in the season and he was out for 4 weeks with an injury to his ribs.

We're on week 10 this season and thus far, Tua hasn't been injured. Better offensive line play along with Tua's ju-jitsu training and new helmet, he hasnt been hurt at all, so I think the continued concerned about Tua and injuries is misplaced.

Now, if there are those who have concerns about our offensive performance against "teams with winning records", that concern needs to be addressed to McDaniel and not Tua.

I think Tua has silenced a lot of his critics when it comes to injuries. He's bigger and he knows how to brace himself which has worked wonders when he gets hit. He also has a laser-like release to limit the amount of times he gets hit.

I was one of the biggest Tua haters before McDaniel so I can really appreciate how much the man has improved himself as a player. It's simply incredible to be proven completely wrong and for somebody to accomplish things you never imagined he could.

I'm not worried about him getting hurt anymore. Doesn't mean he can't get hurt, but I think he's taking steps that are extraordinary and effective.

Mac is just as good as Tua I heard

"Fireland wrote:

Mac is just as good as Tua I heard

Very similar players.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

You will really see this on Christmas Eve when the stadium is 70% Cowboys fans.

I've only ever seen away games live. Dolphins have always had a decent contingent at those games and were noticeably louder than LA in LA. On TV, the home stadium always seems to fill late, both from the start of the game and the 2nd half, but gets loud in the 4th. Not sure how much of that is production.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

Very similar players.

Mac Jones has a great NFL career ahead of him as a backup.

"Fireland wrote:

Mac is just as good as Tua I heard

Belichick benched Mac Jones and played Zappe for the potential game-winning drive in the last 2 minutes of the game lol. Mac Jones is one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL, Tua one of the best.

No way Mac does anywhere near as well as Tua in this offense or any other. People arguing he would are basically discounting how important the QB is in any offense. It's like they think everyone else matters, but not the QB lol. The QB is the MOST influential player on the team! So yeah, a QB's NFL stats with larger sample size do reflect upon the QB.

Ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

Deshaun Watson another guy we totally missed out on. Shame.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

Very similar players.

Yeah the indicters used to use that one a lot lol

"Fireland wrote:

Deshaun Watson another guy we totally missed out on. Shame.

Yeah that's an interesting case. That's a case where a stats-based approach would have gotten it wrong. Yes, we need larger sample size with his new team, but it looks really crappy right now. And that's after 4 years of elite play even with a bad surrounding cast (like really bad in some cases). Hard to find examples like that in NFL history.

I'm just talking about his performance here, not what it would have cost us to trade for him. Just performance-wise this collapse is very surprising given what he did at Houston.

"cbrad wrote:

Yeah that's an interesting case. That's a case where a stats-based approach would have gotten it wrong. Yes, we need larger sample size with his new team, but it looks really crappy right now. And that's after 4 years of elite play even with a bad surrounding cast (like really bad in some cases). Hard to find examples like that in NFL history.

I'm just talking about his performance here, not what it would have cost us to trade for him. Just performance-wise this collapse is very surprising given what he did at Houston.

He never had bad weapons though. Even the one year without Hopkins he still had Cooks and Fuller which doesn't sound good now but it was pretty solid then.

The amount of time not playing plus the unknown mental toll of the allegations should have made every team cautious.