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My 3 most dissappointing dolphins.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by pumpdogs, Nov 14, 2017.

  1. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    1 larry tunsil
    2 xaiver howard
    3 devante parker
    Who are yours?
     
  2. Fin D

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    Cutler
    Kiko
    Thomas
     
  3. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    I think
    I think Tunsil is better suited at G. I keep saying this and keep harping that this team suffered offensively because they lost Albert.
     
  4. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    To expect (hindsight is 50/50) Cutler to have left the retirement life and come and play, was unrealistic. He basically was out a good portion of last year too. I think he knew he would retire sometime last year when he was hut and in the offseason, while retired, came back. However, mentally I'm not sure if you can get your edge again. Thomas look out of shape in camp and I was worried he wouldn't be the "Gronk" of the offense. We really had no backup plan for him if it didn't work. Gase's old disciples, like Larsen, Bushrod, Thomas and Cutler all helped him with other teams in the past, but there was no chance they could re-live it here
     
  5. bigballa2102

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    GASE, CUTLER, FRONT OFFICE!!!!
     
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  6. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    I kept hearing how howard was going to be this shutdown corner all through training camp and tunsil was the steal of the 2016 draft.
    Not to mention the dolphins offensive cord saying how parker was going to have a monster year.All of it was wrong.
     
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  7. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    how much of that is just the lack of a pass rush?
     
  8. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Who knows but I am not willing to give anyone the benefit of the doubt anymore
    Just so sick of the dissapointing **** almost every year.
    The only thing worse would be a bills fan who have not been in playoffs for 18 years.
    Then again at least they have a ton of draft pick to give them some hope.What do we have but a bunch of inflated contracts and a moron GM.?
     
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  9. Rickysabeast

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    Why only three? I can think of at least 11 starters off the top of my head.
    Devante Parker
    Julius Thomas
    Jay Cutler
    Matt Moore
    Charles Harris
    Jawuan James
    Whoever RG is
    Whoever LG is
    Entire DL last night
    Both CBs last night
    All LB last night
    Matt Burke
    Adam Gase
    Tannenbum
    Marino in whatever advisor capacity he's in - NOT THE PLAYER MARINO OBVIOUSLY
    Thats off the top of my head
     
  10. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    Tunsil is not a LT
     
  11. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    I was just picking guys I had huge expectations for.
     
  12. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    I agree.I thought he played really well at guard last year.
     
  13. texanphinatic

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    Tunsil - dude was being considered for a #1 overall pick ... but can't play LT. Can salvage this by getting a real LT and kicking him back inside. He can be a solid G for us.

    Howard - dude just is not good. We needed a lot more from a high pick like him. Need to replace in FA.

    Cutler - Preferred Kaep, still thought Cutler would be meh to OK, but he has been a dumpster fire. Poblem is that Moore was a raging trash fire behind him.

    Would have said Ajayi, but he gone.
     
  14. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    Here is a question, we invested huge in Suh and from a system stand point, he has not helped us out in the run defense. Is it worth the $4M in cap savings and $22M in dead money to cut him? Or is $4M not enough, wait util 2019, where it would save $15M and have $13M in dead cap
     
  15. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    and this is the stubbornness I am referring to. How many LT's were drafted and eventually moved to G or RT recently? I know Lane Johnson was one. I want to say there are at least 6 in recent times. Is Eric Fischer one? It's ok if he has to move to guard. No one will judge Miami harshly because it is a rookie deal. You just don't pay him LT money when his deal is up. I am not even sure if there are any LT's available in FA.
     
  16. Seadog

    Seadog Active Member

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    LOL, I was thinking it would be easier to find 3 good players
     
  17. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    the problem is the limitations of this team at qb and the trenches makes it seem players aren't doing their jobs like Parker or Landry. Someone has to be smart enough to "picture" what a better line (both sides) looks like and ID the players we need, and then "picture" what effect that would have on the back half of the offense and defense
     
  18. Seadog

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    I might ask the question, do we have any players that are smart enough to play at a SB level? Physical play is great, but without brains, you have nothing more than an OL named Blake.
     
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  19. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    IDK, we can't get past the first line of offense and defense
     
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    Cutler Cutler and Cutler!
     
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  21. CanGasePlaybook

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    I was thinking the same thing. Those are the first that need to go.
     
  22. KeyFin

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    1) Jay Cutler. I'm not going to even bash the guy BECAUSE he's old, never complains, has a great arm and is playing hurt for the good of the team. Cutler has done exactly as you'd expect a guy retired five months to do when thrown into a starting spot, so I don't blame him at all....he's done the best he could, fought off the rust, then cracked some ribs. Now he's 2 weeks back from that and I think he's done pretty well under the circumstances..........but he should not be our starter.

    2) Matt Moore. This may sound strange since you guys know I am nuts over Moore, always have been, but we are in this exact position because Moore has been a solid QB2 for 6 years now. If he's not starter-worthy (I think he is, Gase doesn't) then he should not be on the roster at all taking up a critical position that we desperately need filled right now by someone not named Cutler. Keeping Moore all these years and putting all our faith in Tannehill never being hurt was truly foolish if Gase/whoever believed that Moore wasn't a dependable QB2. This entire season is a write-off because of that oversight.

    3) Steven Ross. A lot of you are screaming to fire Gase, fire Tannenbaum, etc. and I personally don't agree with most of that stuff. Drafting talent is hard and developing it is even harder, which is why most rookies wash out within their first few years. So I'm not mad over the Dion Jordan type picks that should have worked out and didn't...that's NFL football. What bothers me is that Ross has experts to tell him how his experts are doing and each of these guys ends up taking the former GM's place on the totem pole. You can't build a team vision like that and it's ultimately Ross's fault.

    Three That You Build a Team Around

    1) Adam Gase. All this talk to fire Gase is foolish- he did exactly as advertized with Tannehill last season and turned this club around. Our D is vastly improved over the last few years even though it's easy to forget since they're playing record numbers of snaps while the offense does their 3 and outs. You can blame Gase for bringing in Cutler since that destroyed the season all by itself, but remember that we're missing our QB1, two starting lineman, our best receiver for most of the year AND the problems with Ajayi not listening....that's a ****load of stuff to overcome when you had a schedule as ****ty as ours with very limited practice time and tons of travel.

    2) Kenny Stills. Unfortunately, Stills name is not called that often because he's perceived as a deep threat only, but the guy has hauled in everything thrown his way this season- something we can't say about any other receiver on our team. With a drop-happy squad this season, Stills has been one of the few rays of light that's dependable no matter what.

    3) Lawrence Timmons. LT has been playing hard all season and he's the pulse of this defense. It's time to tell Suh to STFU and let a true leader start leading by example.
     
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  23. jw3102

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    Tannebaum
    Grier
    Gase

    These are the three people who are responsible for the overall lack of talent on the roster. As long as Tannebaum remains with the Dolphins as Head of Football Operations, this organization has no hope of ever being more than mediocre at best.
     
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  24. Colmax

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    JuWaun James had been playing well up until his injury.

    Xavier Howard....I dunno. It may be an upstairs thing. He looked especially quick last year and had some really nice plays.

    Tunsil lost an O-line coach who may or may not have been competent. He’s on his second coach inside of a year and is basically a rookie at this position. Give the guy a break. He’s about as athletic a LT out there, and many here were singing his praises last year. He’s fine.

    Kiko looked like trash yesterday. He had a bad game. It happens. I think it’s more of an upstairs thing than not.

    In general, this defense plays pretty well most of the time. They got handled yesterday. There’s a new S that still needs to learn some things. This entire year, Miami has just not had things go their way, from the hurricane to the dropped INT by McDonald last night. The ball has not fallen Miami’s way this year.

    The penalties at the most inopportune times. It’s a lot things that can be fixed. The bad part, it’s a LOT.

    I think there is still hope for Miami to turn things around. They’re certainly not playing like a team. I do hope that happens soon.
     
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  25. texanphinatic

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    Said in a few threads, but I'll repeat here - you want 2 things from your owner.
    1) Spend money. We don't need owners that scrimp every last penny and miss out on players for it.
    2) Not insert themselves. The only one to even seriously attempt to make a go of it was Jerry, and even he was absolute butt.

    Here is how it goes. An owner gets a team. He has a bunch of people present a plan. He picks the plan that sounds best and gives it some time to work. Eventually, if it doesn't, he fires that person and starts again.

    Owners have no special insight or knowledge. These are just basic businessmen throwing darts at a wall. If you can tell me Bob Kraft didn't have his fingers crossed and was knocking on wood when he hired Bellicheck then I will call you a lair. He didn't single BB out as a singular football genius. He got lucky.

    Finally, it's barking up a tree that will yield no results. It's a fruitless raging against a machine that doesn't care. Fans can influence certain things, they won't get rid of an owner.
     
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  26. CanGasePlaybook

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    What I am afraid of is that when Tannebaum is finally fired, Ross will just promote Grier. This team is in purgatory. We are looking at decades of future ****.
     
  27. KeyFin

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    Umm, Robert Kraft is a hands-on owner that's in the building every single day working with coaches, GM's and players. Same thing with Jerry Jones, Joe Robbie when he owned the Fins and several other team owners. Ross, on the other hand, sells real estate and shows up to enjoy his skybox on Sundays....mainly to show off to other real estate moguls. He treats the Fins like a company perk for entertaining clients and that is not all right by me.
     
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  28. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Not what I meant - Jerry Jones or the old Al Davis is what I referred to. An owner that does impulsive things, overrules his staff and says things like "**** it, that dude is fast, draft him, now!"

    What you describe Ross as being? That's pretty much all owners. The reality is, owning an NFL team is basically just a rich person hobby like we might dabble in model trains. And that's fine. I'd rather that than a guy like Jerry who won't hire a real GM because he thinks he can do it. No, he can't. No, he didn't.
     
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  29. mlb1399

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    How can people be disappointed about a QB who was brought in from retirement and wasn’t very good when he played?
     
  30. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    good point. the hint of desperation was during the first week of camp.
    It just snowballed from there
     
  31. pumpdogs

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    Thats what I was thinking.
     
  32. Phins_to_Win

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    4 million savings isn't enough. I hated this deal when we signed it, and I have hated it every second we have had to pay it. However, we still need to be smart in how we get out of it. With that cap hit it will be like we are still paying for Suh without actually having Suh. I assume we exit this contract in 2019.

    My feelings on this has nothing to do with Suh as a player. There just isn't anything a DT can do for your team that's worth that money.
     
  33. RGF

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    All things considered how can anyone realistically blame D. Parker for not being able to light it up this year. ?
     
  34. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Well its not just his play its the fact he can't stay healthy.
     
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  35. danmarino

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    That's just not true.
     
  36. Seadog

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    Absolutely dead on, good on the field, but not on the field enough, hurt since college, that's a fact.
     
  37. danmarino

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    lol...It's not a fact at all.

    He's missed 5 games in 3 seasons. (He's played in 36 out of 41 games)
     
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  38. Seadog

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    You have no clue, he's missed at least 8 games, more idiotic posting from the football knowledge guy
     
  39. Seadog

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    7 games in his 1st year he didn't even see the field, on the 53 man roster, but as good as it got because of his foot injury he had back in college.
     
  40. danmarino

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    Parker has missed 5 games total. In his first season he was active for 15 games. In his second season he played in 15 games. This year he's played in 6 games. If math is hard for you, let me help you out.

    1st season: 16-1= 15 games (Each season has 16 regular season games in case you were unaware)

    2nd season: 16-1= 15 games

    3rd season: 9-3= 6 games

    So, since he was drafted the Dolphins have played 16+16+9 (41) regular season games.

    Parker has played in 15+15+6 (36) regular season games.

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