I know, I was just using him to underline the poor decision making and unwillingness to do his job that Grier has shown time in and time out. Also, I would rather we had kept Campbell than Flores. Was he rough around the edges and inexperienced? Yes. But if you ask yourself did he get a team that had performed poorly before his elevation to HC to play hard as hell for him under adverse conditions, then that answer is a resounding hell yes. Of all the qualities a GM should look for In a prospective head coach that might be the most important one of all. Many other qualities can be learned on the job, but that charisma with his team within the locker room, and on the field each week comes naturally to Campbell. Checked under Grier's huge could've, should've, would've/no way going back column.
I think the head coaching job here would have come to early for Campbell but he’s doing a hell of a job in Detroit (their GM is doing a hell of a job as well). When you look at Detroit, I guess there is hope for us as well, that we will have good times somewhere in the future eventually.
Flores is clearly a great defensive coach but even if you ignore the offensive disaster and failure to develop their QB you have to consider what he it says about him in that he was willing to rat on the team and reveal any dirt he could as revenge.
I as well have been calling for Grier’s dismissal. While I’ve given credit to some of the players he’s landed in free agency as well as players he’s drafted, his inability or utter refusal to build the backbone of the offense, the offensive line has been criminal! I have mixed feelings about your thoughts on McDaniel. I feel he has been hamstrung by the lack of backup quarterback talent when Tua has been injured. I posted a video in the Tua returns to practice thread that shows, particularly in this last game against Indianapolis that the plays WERE THERE but Huntley just failed to execute. That was my biggest concern about having him start. Running quarterbacks TEND not to be patient and let the plays develop. Protection starts to breakdown and off they go. Now as to my point about other coaches, Tomlin you addressed; the Steelers haven’t won a playoff game the last 3 years they’ve been to the playoffs, being eliminated in the wildcard game. Sound familiar? And yet even with the improvements McDaniel has made to the offensive side of the ball since arriving in Miami, the Dolphins his adversity early in the season after two consecutive successful seasons and there are those calling for McDaniel’s head. Asinine if you ask me. If the Dolphins had a competent general manager that could address the shortcomings of this team and let McDaniel work through the adversity he is facing…get some consistency in our head coaching staff, the team is going to be better for it in the long run…provided McDaniel does indeed learn from mistakes he’s made.
I think that the man was demonized by the perceptions put forth publicly by Tua and the Dolphins organization, and had every right to air Ross' organizational dirty laundry when they tried to throw all their dirt on his shoulders. Not that it is near as serious in a life or death type of scenario, but that is like calling the Boeing whistle blowers bad people for speaking the truth about the unhealthy and irresponsible corporate culture at Boeing throughout the midst of their catastrophic failures as an aviation contractor in both the government and public sectors. If the organization is dirty at the top, then by all means clear the air or the trend will never end. Flores was not a rat. He was an unfairly ostracized man being made a scapegoat for an orgaizational failure who spoke the truth and defended his professional reputation and name. He had every right to do so, and refuse to fall on the sword the organization tried to force him on.
I cannot argue with any of that, but like I said if McDaniel is the make or break point of contention in hiring the best GM we can bring in, then I am siding with bringing in the best GM we can get versus passing over them because they do not want to retain McDaniel.
Speaking the truth does not make one a snitch. If an organization is dirty, then an honest man speaks the truth. Rat's scurry off with their tail between their legs when the light comes on them crawling through the dirt. They do not stand there, and answer hard questions with determination to tell their side of the story. True fact, any time a person comes forth with the truth and is declared a rat, they were part of a dirty organization who either with or without their knowledge and consent was involved in criminal or professionally unethical practices with full knowledge of and approval of those actions at the highest level. Most often those actions were taken at the behest and order of those at the top. Making sure the stink if not left on you, and instead surrounds those at the top who piled on the manure is not unethical, it is how any man with pride and a backbone should act.
There's a big difference between a whistle-blower and a disgruntled former employee. If Flores wasn't fired do you think the accusations of being paid to lose games would have ever come out? Whether Tua was wrong for going public is irrelevant because what happened is what matters. Flores had his young franchise QB tested repeatedly for PEDs, told him he sucked, told him he should have drafted Mac Jones, pulled him every time the game was on the line, tried to push a trade for one of the most despicable human beings in the league in Deshawn Watson, wouldn't talk to his staff, and claimed he was fired because he's black. If the organization was so racist he wouldn't have been hired in the first place. Remember he also accused Houston of being racist as well and they turned around and hired another black HC instead? He has victim mentality and he's trash.
I don’t think Flores is a saint but I definitely think they played him dirty down here. He on the other hand was definitely but hurt afterwards and overreacted but that doesn’t make him a rat or a snitch imo.
Every fired coach is the scapegoat for the failures of the organization and yet we never see them rat on anything and everything. Nothing was said truly damaging about Flores after he was fired. Hell most of the worst Tua related stuff we only just learned. Its not like you can compare him to whistle blowers of something truly important because he didn't do that. He didn't say anything while these supposedly horrible things were happening he waited until he got fired and took revenge.
There are two and 3 sides to every story. Although all sides have valid criticisms in this case, I tend to side with Flores over Grier and Ross. Grier and Ross have definitely proven themselves to be incompetent and unethical clowns. Flores while having some issues himself in how he deals with things, he has proven that he is a great coach and gets results, whereas Ross and Grier have proven they are incompetent and don't know how to win. It's a shame for us Dolphins fans that Grier won the power struggle against Flores.
If Grier won the power struggle we would have traded a king's ransom for Watson. That would have been a shame.
"He has proven he's a great coach and gets results." Yeah, he's under .500 as a head coach and has no playoff appearances.
Easy way to look at it. He did more with less and he’s a hell of a defensive mind and a great DC and you didn’t see players committing stupid penalties while he was here.
He had good defensive players. I would argue Tua did more with way less while he was here. Look at some of the skill position players on offense they were trotting out there.
Let's just TRY to be honest. Flores is under .500 as a HC because his team was gutted out from under him and he was FORCED to play the likes of Rosen when he wanted to win. Once he was allowed to win, he posted the first back to back winning seasons in over 20 years.
It’s tragically funny that almost everyone, who leaves this once proud franchise, has success. Campbell, Welker, Fitzpatrick, Flores, AVG, Henne the list seems to be going on and on. Since Ross took over, this franchise has tried everything and failed every single time…
Always depends on what you have to work with. I don’t recall us breaking the bank while Flores was here.
Ok, but those coaches are tenured BECAUSE they are good. You don't just take a ****ty coach and give him 15-20 years and BINGO, HoF head coach and multiple Super Bowls. Not to mention, the game has changed. You get 3 years to prove you are worth it.
Yeah, Flores was such a great HC that he has an under .500 winning %, and was hired as a LB coach for one year and then hired as a DC and brought a 10th ranked defense all the way up to 6th. Lol There’s a reason no one has hired him as a HC after he left the Dolphins. And race isn’t the reason.
Deebo Aiyuk.. McCaffrey... Were not there the first few years.... It was a gutted team in complete rebuild mode. as in go for the first overall draft pick... Again...The situations are in no way alike.
You mean the way you overlook one coach taking a gutted team doing a complete rebuild and starting from Scratch... and Comparing it to another that took over a winning team that had Tua, Waddle, Hill, Mostert... and a decent defence... Thanks for playing.
“Gutted” Evidently this clown hasn’t looked at the 49ers roster for the first 3 years of Shanahan being there.
He had the first back to back winning seasons in like 20 years, that’s pretty good on my watch. On the other hand, to bad that Grier and Ross are still here, cause they never really „cooked“ when it comes to the NFL…
So after 2 seasons, 2 consecutive playoff appearances you’re ready to cut sling load on a coach, from what you just said, has 3 years to prove himself? Well, define “prove yourself” Season 1, finish above .500. Check. Extra added bonus, makes playoffs. Season 2, improve on previous season’s record AND make playoffs. Check. Season 3, win division, make playoffs, win playoff game? How do you define prove yourself? We’ve had SH!T back up quarterbacks that haven’t been able to produce. Indictment on the coach or the GM for making said coach make chicken salad out of chicken sh!t? I’ve posted the game breakdown. The plays were THERE. Skykar Thompson, Mike White, Tim Boyle, Tyler Huntley. That’s all on Grier, not McDaniel. Tua injury prone? Again, that’s on Grier, not McDaniel for not getting a solid offensive line. It’s so utterly amazing to me how so many are ready to cut sling load. It truly tells me how little some folks really KNOW about the game.
So, McDaniel had two straight winning seasons and back to back playoff appearances. What's your point?
They keep skipping over the fact that it was a winning team when McD took over.... His first season as a head coach there was no improvement in won loss record despite adding Hill and Mostert to the offence. And so it is year three.... The league has figured out how to stop his offence... His play calling mostly sucks... And the mental mistakes have not been addressed. There has been no improvement or growth from the head coach. And what we hear is..."But back to back winning seasons." It was a winning team when he took over... LOL We were a 7 loss team when he took over.... So in two years we have lost 13 games.... With the so called GURU coach... That is an improvement of a little more than one game in 2 years. (Taking into account that we have a 17 game season now.) For all the draft picks we gave up For all of the money they spent 2 years... One- ish game improvement... Yeah I can really see the justification for hiring this clown. This move has totally paid off.
