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Most teams in the NFL have crappy Olines.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by yoge, Nov 9, 2015.

  1. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Okay, now you're just being childish.

    You don't think a QB or a team has ever downplayed injuries? It doesn't make sense that they'd want to keep him out there as much as they could because they believe it would give them the best shot of winning?


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  2. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    No, you're going to believe what you want. You've made it very clear that you're looking for drama.


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  3. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    I know right, and the gov behind 9-11, that's so unbelievable, everyone knows it was Kyle Broflovski...
     
  4. finsfandan

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    Colts general manager Ryan Grigson issued a statement through the team Sunday afternoon, denying the team has committed a violation.
    “Our injury reports are accurate,” Grigson’s statement said. “If people have any questions about player injuries, they should refer to our injury reports."
     
  6. resnor

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    Didn't they do just fine when Luck was out?
     
  7. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Oh, I'm convinced now. What did all the guilty teams in the past say? "Our reports are inaccurate, you got us"???


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  8. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Yes, Hasselbeck wasn't and isn't injured. He did surprisingly well for a veteran his age that hasn't been in a regular season game for a while.


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  9. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    So, if your vet backup was doing just fine, why bring in an injured starter, especially if it's cracked ribs? Further, if you bring Luck in injured, and he sucks so bad, why keep starting him? It just doesn't make sense.
     
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  10. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    They probably didn't expect Hasselbeck to continue to do well. Did anybody expect those performances by a guy his age that hadn't played in a while?


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  11. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    If you don't care about our oline I don't care about your boys injuries. He's a wimp. he sucked for most of the year. Lets see if he can keep the momentum of the last gm and a Half and salvage his season
     
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    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Whoever is ranked 16th
     
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  13. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    I never said I didn't care about our OL. I compared similar and worse OLs! Lol what's wrong with you???


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  14. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    the patriots have the 6th best offensive line in the nfl
     
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    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    you said the colts have a worse oline than us. just out of curiosity did it ever cross your mind that a 40 year old QB couldnt possibly win two games behind an offensive line worse than us. they have the 8th best passing line in the nfl
     
  16. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Source? I'm willing to bet their run blocking is worse than ours and they've always relied on Luck more than we have on Tannehill even considering our lack of balance in play calling. And I'm willing to bet whatever you're citing doesn't take into account the pocket presence or escapability of QBs.

    Edit: we'll see how he continues to do while Luck is out but if you honestly think Hasselbeck is better than a healthy Luck, you are myopic and misinformed.

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  17. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    i dont believe hasselbeck is better, smarter yes, but not better. luck just had a bizarre meltdown this year. it seems to be behind him but it wasnt due to injuries, it was due to bad decision making.

    colts rank 19th in run blocking. miami is 17th basically a tie

    pocket presence lol

    football outsiders is the source


    so where is this magic list of worse olines. we've destroyed one of your claims....the colts.....and werent you also claiming the patriots had a horrible oline? well thats two
     
  18. finsfandan

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    Bizarre meltdown that can be explained by injuries... What else explains it?

    Yeah, pocket presence and escapability affect sack rate. Are you going according to sack rate solely or other factors as well?

    Run blocking lower ranked by two, so I was right about that at the very least, but let's call it a tie. Although I'm sure we could run for more yards just by more balanced play calling and that would propel us even higher.


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  19. adamprez2003

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    and how do you statistically quantify "pocket presence"
     
  20. finsfandan

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    You don't. There's a reason why I use stats AND analysis.

    Ask resnor. I don't just look at pass attempts vs run attempts and that's it. I like to analyze the play by play so I understand the context.


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  21. adamprez2003

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    fair enough. Always watch the games, thats the best source
     
  22. finsfandan

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    That being said, I'm most likely wrong about the Colts line being worse, especially since I haven't seen many of their games.

    I was mostly basing my guess on their terrible running (I've noticed Gore has been garbage in fantasy for other owners), Luck's injuries despite his pocket presence and Faulk's prediction. But something tells me their high pass ranking doesn't factor in pressures, hits after the ball is thrown or average time allowed to throw.

    Cbrad has already explained how difficult it is to rank OLs. So many factors to take into account.


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  23. adamprez2003

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    they use a variation of sacks. personally i prefer pressure. i dont care about sacks. pressure is what you want to disrupt the qb. you want him uncomfortable. a nervous qb is a bad qb
     
  24. finsfandan

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    Well, I'd agree sacks are overrated. Pressures get the job done, for sure.


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  25. Finster

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    It has to be quality pressure though, a sack is a negative play, a pressure may not even disrupt the QB much at all, a little half step up into the pocket may negate a pressure, Dion Jordan for example was a guy that got mostly poor pressures, which is why he didn't get sacks, because he wasn't beating the man in front of him forcing the QB to either run or throw it away, or attempt a bad pass.
     
  26. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, sacks are obviously better but I meant they're overrated compared to pressures. A sack isn't really all that better than quality pressures. A couple of incompletions due to pressures is already better than a sack for 5 yards in my opinion. It all depends, you know.


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    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Yea, it all depends, but the thing is that a player who gets a lot of good quality pressures also gets sacks, so I think they really go hand in hand.
     
  28. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Definitely. Sorry I can't thank your posts. Damn Tapatalk.


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