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Moore vs Qb's drafted since 2007

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by padre31, Dec 30, 2011.

  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    -Ryan YPG 227 Comp 62.7% Td to Int 2.2 QBR 88
    -Flacco YPG 217 Comp 60.6 Td to Int 1.8 QBR 85.7
    -Sanchez YPG 196 Comp 55.1 Td to Int 1.1 QBR 73.4
    -Stafford YPG 261 Comp 59 Td to Int 2.57 QBR 83.6
    -Freeman YPG 216 Comp 60.2 Td to int 1.14 QBR 79.3
    -Bradford YPG 218 Comp 53 Td to int 1.1 QBR 74.2
    -Tebow YPG 106 Comp 49 Td to int 2.1 QBR 78.9
    -Newton YPG 260 Comp 60 Td to int 1.3 QBR 85
    -Gabbert YPG 152 Comp 53 Td to int 1 QBR 64
    -McCoy YPG 206 Comp 58.4 Td to int 1 QBR 74.5
    -Kolb YPG 139 Comp 59.4 Td to int 1.13 QBR 77
    -Henne YPG 198 Comp 60.7 Td to int .84 QBR 75.7
    -Ponder YPG 184 Comp 54.8 Td to int 1.08 QBR 72.4
    -Dalton YPG 211 Comp 58.9 Td to int 1.54 QBR 81.8
    -Skelton YPG 192 Comp 52.4 Td to int .77 QBR 66

    Averages:

    YPG 185
    Comp%; 57.15
    td to int 1.37
    QBR 77.3

    Matt Moore's 2011:

    YPG 195.8
    Comp % 58.7
    Td to int 2.14
    QBR 89.7

    For accuracies sakes:

    Career

    YPG 147
    Comp 58.7
    Td to Int 1.29
    QBR 80.9

    (His 5 Td 10 int performance in Carolina eats into his 15/7 and 8/2 in 11/09)

    My conclusion

    Moore is above Avg in Td to Int ratio and Qbr, but otherwise more or less avgwheels among the Qb's taken from 2007 forwards, not what I'd hoped, but it is what the numbers say.

    Naturally excluded guys who no longer play in Quinn and Russel, excluded T Jackson as well as I think he was drafted in 06.
     
  2. CaribPhin

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    Should have excluded Skelton if you planned on comparing him to guys intended to start.
     
  3. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    And T Jackson did not make the list as I'd thought he was taken in 06.

    I just looked at drafted guys who started more then a small handful of games.

    Surprising how well Moore holds up, rough estimate his play would rank him #3, behind Newton and Stafford, tied with Ryan.
     
  4. MonstBlitz

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    Thanks for putting this together Padre, but to me it's very simple: Matt Moore is a pretty good QB. However, he is not a guy to try and build a franchise around. Carolina made that mistake. Let's not hope for our Dolphins to repeat it. Hopefully we can keep him around as one of the best backups in the league.
     
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    Thanks MB, I like how he holds up vs the other #1 pick Qb's coming in as a UDFA.

    As for the numbers, make of them what one will, it is plain he outplayed several #1 pick Qb's, and not just the clear busts like Russell, where the Franchise goes from here with this performance on the books is one of the more interesting things of this offseason.
     
  6. Hellion

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    Ok wait your comparing Moores one season to others with multible season? If so what about Moores other starts with Carolina? Shouldnt those be factored in as well?
     
  7. padre31

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    Could, he is the only Qb on the list with such a disjointed starting history, 3 gms, 4 gms, etc.

    It would be like taking a fmr reliever and making him a starter, then using his reliever performance to determine is performance as a starting pitcher.
     
  8. Hellion

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    Doesnt matter, games played are games played, doesnt matter if they were consecutive or not. Otherward the data is scewed and unreliable.
     
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    Check the edit, if you feel that way
     
  10. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    He's right, when you compare a small sample size to a large sample size the numbers are likely to be much better or much worse than the larger sample size.
     
  11. Hellion

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    TY Pads :up:

    Thats why you are a quality poster.
     
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    Thsuly the edit, and his sample size is his own so to speak, it can only be measured vs the Qb's that were taken in the draft since he has been in the NFL, there were 15 who have played since 07.
     
  13. padre31

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    No problem, to me, you have 3 samples, 09/10/11, one is 8/2 the next is 5/10, the third is 15/7, coming into 2011, the case could be made "which one is he the 09 or the 2010 one"?

    With 2011 being the litmus test, and he's 15/7, it's fairly clear which one showed to be more accurate.

    To add T-Jax's Comp of 59/Td to int of 37/34 and QBR of 77.8 would not add much to the stats, if anything it would probably make Moore look better.

    Which is somewhat fascinating, if it is taken back to 06, MMoore still holds up vs Leinart and Young and Jackson
     
  14. Hellion

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    Which is why i wanted the complete data. It's gonna show exactly how he stands up for better or worse. I am on the fence with Moore so all the data i can gather forms my orionion liker anyone else. As of now I see him as an early 80's Don Strock, not physically for those that wanna jump me about that lol. But an above average backup that will provide solid QBing.

    In fact I'll give Moore more credit because If memory serves me correctly Strock wasnt as good at starting as he was coming off the bench. WoodStrock was without a doubt the best one two QB punch ever. Someone made a comment about Woodley getting Miami to the SB when infact it was the combo of Woodstrock and even more so Andre Franklin and the Killer B's. Thats why Wash. took away Franklin in the run game forcing us to pass and attact our small B's with the power run.

    Anyways thanks for your effort on getting the numbers.
     
  15. jw3102

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    Moore is a decent backup QB who has shown that he can play well during parts of a game. Especially against other bad football teams or bad defenses. What he hasn't shown is that he can lead the team to a victory against the better teams in the NFL. He also seems to disappear in the fourth quarter of games.

    The number one need for the Dolphins, if they ever expect to be anything other then a bad to mediocre NFL football team, remains exactly what it was prior to this season, a franchise QB. Moore only appears to be a good NFL QB to many Dolphin fans, because Henne was so terrible as the Dolphins starting QB.

    If the Dolphins are forced to settle for Moore as the teams starting QB next year, I suspect that the Dolphins will once again be in a battle with the Buffalo Bills, in an effort to avoid finishing last in the AFC East again.
     

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