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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Aug 11, 2020.

  1. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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  2. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    I wanted to post f*** that guy but after reading the article I actually feel sad... A ****insert evil laugh here**** big part of me wants him to fail miserably..
     
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  3. Unlucky 13

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    Good riddance. Fins up.
     
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  4. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    I love Flores and love how the team, specifically the secondary played the back half of the year with a practice squad roster, but if Minkah becomes a perennial All-Pro first team safety, it will be a major black eye on the organization. I'm not convinced he'll repeat what he did last year but his stock is certainly rising.
     
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  5. Fin-O

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    I personally think Minkah had a special year that he won't ever replicate. I think he will be a solid starter, but his performance will drop off.
     
  6. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    I'm much happier with Austin Jackson.
     
  7. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Well Austin Jackson is in the age range you love for rookies.. You must still cringe at the thought of Miami drafting the 27 year old John Beck.. LOL
     
  8. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    Taking Ted Ginn in the first round was like a punch square in the face.

    Coming back and taking Beck in the second was kick following that was a hard kick to the groin.

    I don't think that I could ever be more upset over a draft than that one.
     
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  9. ripper1961

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    John Beck. Good Lord!:cry:
     
  10. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    There were eight QBs drafted that year and Beck (taken at #40) was more productive only than Jordan Palmer, who was taken at #205). Overall, it was weird draft with some awesome players in the first round, but very little after.
     
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  11. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    Dead to me.
     
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  12. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    he wont have the same year again... and boy did he have a bunch of lucky bounces last year..
     
  13. djphinfan

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    **** Minkah..be a football player, not a free safety..
     
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  14. KeyFin

    KeyFin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That was a good article and I still wish the kid luck. From reading between the lines, it sounds like Flores had a long term plan for Minkah but didn't discuss it openly, mainly because we were firing our whole team and stuff. It's just a bad break for Miami because I do think he's special....was an absolute steal where we drafted him.
     
  15. Patster1969

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    Not relevant, he didn't want to be here, so he's now Pittsburgh's issue
     
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  16. Pauly

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    The proof of the pudding is in the eating. In Miami Minkah was JAG, in Pitt he’s a first team All-pro, who, according to one film analyst, was targeted only twice in coverage in the last 8 games of the season.

    As it stands now Minkah was right and our coaches were wrong.

    As fans we should be questioning our coaches, not Minkah’s attitude.
     
  17. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Yup.
     
  18. Disgustipate

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    It's all well and good he had a good season with Pittsburgh, but you're getting a little wild with the conclusions here.

    If you don't think the Dolphins coaches are really super credible here that's fine, but they basically put Fitzpatrick back into the "star" role he played with Alabama. Nick Saban is maybe the singularly most important figure in the development of defensive coverage in the sport, and runs pretty much the same scheme as the Dolphins and he didn't think he was a free safety either.

    He was good there with Pittsburgh, but they aren't out there putting him on an island like Miami or Alabama would want to do. They want to play Cover-1 and want him back there by himself all day. Pittsburgh is out there making Fitzpatrick the beneficiary of a bunch of Cover-2/Tampa-2/Cover-3 shells... which is nice, protects Fitzpatrick and puts him into a position for turnovers(especially with that pass rush)... but it's also a coverage scheme that might very well be obsolete against top quarterbacks in 2020.

    Fitzpatrick's role with the Dolphins wasn't really a glorious one, but I think there's a very strong argument that it was a more important role to the success of the team than what he's doing in Pittsburgh. Fitzpatrick had the skills and ability to handle covering whoever the most dangerous man was between the hashmarks, regardless of position.
     
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  19. Vertical Limit

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    he just doesnt come off to me like Earl Thomas, Ed Reed, Polamalu..

    If he has a career like Brock Marion, then cool, thats a successful career.. but do i think we traded away an all time great? I dont, maybe i will be wrong for thinking so.


    Hell reshad jones set a bar that minkah is still far away from reaching
     
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  20. Unlucky 13

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    Marion might be an even better comp than you realize. He's a guy that for a long time, depending on coaching and who his teammates were, didn't make much of an impact.

    1 pick in 1993. 1 in 94. None at all from 1996-1998. 2 in 1999.

    The outlier is 1995, when as a member of the Super Bowl Cowboys, in a defensive backfield with Deion Sanders, Darren Woodson and Larry Brown, he made 6 picks. In George Hill's defense with the Fins, he didn't do much his first two years. But after Wanny took over as head coach and Jim Bates became the DC, suddenly Marion was a playmaker.

    5 picks in 2000, 2001 and 2002, then 3 in 2003 and 2004.

    A solid player, in the right place, with the right teammates, and the right coaching. Nothing wrong with that. And I have a feeling that's who Minkah is too. Take him away from Pittsburgh, and he's not going to look nearly as good on most other teams.
     
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  21. Vertical Limit

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    Yep he sure does have too many great players in pittsburgh that makes his job easy.

    Bud Dupree, Can Heyward and Tj Watt causing havoc at the line, making quarterbacks uncomfortable and forcing bad throws.. devin bush down the middle...

    I mean every great defense has good players but lets not act like this guy is Sean Taylor on the Redskins.. Minkah has yet to show he is a difference maker in that capacity.. hes solid and above average.. not great.. id say minkah is the 7-8th ranked player on that defense
     
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  22. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Maybe in some weird alternate universe, Beck to Ginn is actually the most dynamic duo in NFL history.
     
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  23. Unlucky 13

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    In the common draft era (1970-present) Beck is the third oldest QB ever drafted, behind Chris Weinke and Brandon Weeden. Overall, there have only been six QBs over the age of 24 drafted, and Weeden, who played for four teams over five seasons, was the most successful. Really, drafting guys that old just isn't going to work.

    Interestingly, Ryan Tannehill and Kirk Cousins, both drafted in 2012, are probably the two most successful QBs ever drafted as 24 year olds. Others who started their rookie season at that age include Bubby Brister, Chad Pennington, David Garrard, and Neil O'Donnel. Weird how so many of them played for either the Dolphins or the Steelers.

    But really, the odds show that drafting a QB who will be older than 23 to start his rookie season is just playing with fire. The odds are really stacked against success historically.
     
  24. Patster1969

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    Nope, he's not here, the coaches are
     
  25. firedan

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    Yeah,in Bizzaro World perhaps.
     
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  26. resnor

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    Ginn may have been drafted too high, but that wasn't his fault. He's had a solid NFL career. I never understand holding draft position against a player. It's certainly an indictment off the front office.
     
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  27. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I agree with you. I think trading him for a fifth-round pick was a big mistake. He would have been a good WR to be on the opposite side of the Brandon Marshall.
     
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  28. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Well to be fair I did say it was a weird one lol
     
  29. AGuyNamedAlex

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    I agree with this. Ginn was a serviceable player if he fit into your scheme and could make some plays for you.

    Asking him to become a #1 or even #2 receiver was a huge mistake, his style of play just doesnt match the demands of the role.
     
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  30. Unlucky 13

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    Ginn was always best served being a return man, gadget player and #4 WR, like Dante Hall or Desmond Howard. Howard himself should never have been a first round pick either.
     
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  31. Irishman

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    Not if he choose not to play!
     
  32. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    When did Ginn refuse to play?
     
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    I agree....Ginn is still productive all these years later on special teams and in limited roles. We don't know what went on behind closed doors to force the trade, but I was in favor of him staying in Miami as well. I don't think I'll soon forget his 2-TD's on special teams against the Jets to win that game all those years ago!
     
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  34. Unlucky 13

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    Random Brandon Marshall trivia, since the thread is already sideways.

    No other player in NFL history has had a season of 80+ receptions with three different NFL teams, but Marshall has done it with four. Denver, Miami, Chicago and the Jets. He is also the only player to ever catch 100+ passes in a season with three different clubs. It speaks to both his productivity and how difficult he was to work with and be around.

    To add another Dolphins connection, Jarvis Landry has already caught 80+ passes with two teams, and given that he's still young and has a terrible attitude to match Marshall's, its very possible that he could add a third or more to his personal list as well to join the club.

    (If you were wondering, Terrell Owens had season highs of 77 catches with the Eagles and 72 with the Bengals)
     
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  35. Unlucky 13

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    Going into the 4th quarter that day, the Fins were up 24-19 despite not scoring a TD on offense. We had a Jason Taylor 48 yard fumble return TD sandwiched in between Ginn's two KR TDs. At the end of the day, the Fins scored 30 points on 104 yards of total offense while holding onto the ball for only 25 minutes.

    One of the ugliest wins in my time as a fan. But then again, a lot of them have come vs the Jets.
     
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  36. Irishman

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    Whoops, I thought we were talking about Minkah.
     
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  37. Unlucky 13

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    We used to be, but the conversation became fluid. Better to have a good thread change topics than just die.
     
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    Still, the top two threads on this board are about EX-Dolphins. Some current Dolphins need to step up.
     
  39. Unlucky 13

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    Its a weird year with little to talk about involving the present, and the team was absolutely awful last season, so reminicing about the past is natural, IMO.
     
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  40. KeyFin

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    I remember that week fairly well because a few days prior, Ginn got his butt chewed that he wasn't showing enough fire on the field. He was flat-out benched to start that NY game and it must have pissed him off something fierce...they were challenging his man-card and he certainly responded! Honestly, that one game was enough for me to want him staying with the Fins.

    For the next few years (he was with us 3 total), I kept going back to that game thinking if he was properly motivated, the kid was a superstar. He was never going to be a WR1 and the places where he had success didn't try to make him one. It was funny though how we all essentially forgot about him until the playoffs each year, where he'd come out of nowhere and make a huge play for San Fran or whatever team he was on. He's played in two Super Bowls with two different teams (San Fran and Carolina)!

    He is entering his 14th year of his career with his 7th team (Da Bears!)...that's almost as long as our boy John Denny! So in a way, Ginn has been our most prolific, long-term success story in the 21st century. It's simply incredible when you look back at how he always managed to stick around on a roster in limited roles.
     
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