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Minkah Fitzpatrick

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Redwine4all, Apr 13, 2018.

  1. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    can anyone help me and tell me whats the name of the song and who the performer is in this video starting at 6:05 ?
     
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  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    why Dano?
     
  3. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    simply well stated.

    He can cover wide receivers, tight ends will be easy with his size, speed and cover abilty.
     
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  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think there's legit reasons why Edmunds dropped some, which have been debated for months, I think it was important for this team in particular to sacrifice a lil bit of upside with someone as sound and good at everything that Minkah presents, instincts,leadership, work ethic, intellect, on and off.

    Im happy they went with this kid over edmunds..he's a really good smart football player..
     
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  6. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    I share the same sentiments as you do. I feel quite conflicted by this pick. On one hand, I think that Fitzpatrick is one of those special guys draft experts were talking about prior to the draft. But on the other hand, I don't see where he fits big picture. We have safeties for days and a solid slot corner already. Additionally, let's assume the very best and say he outright wins a starting job. I am still not sure that he moves the needle in terms of wins and losses; whereas, I think upgrading our linebacking unit with Edmunds, McMillan, and Kiko might move the needle in terms of wins and losses.

    But here is the rub. If a magical genie were to come down and offer you a deal, and the deal would be this, "The Dolphins will forever and always pick a great player in the first round, but the pick will never be a position of need," I think I would take the genie's twisted deal. My thoughts would be, eventually, we would have enough great players on the roster to make a good team.

    So with that, my feelings are not too low, but not too high. Let's see how the next few days go.
     
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  7. jdallen1222

    jdallen1222 Well-Known Member

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    The more I read about him the more I understand the culture change they are going for. The guy works his *** off & will earn every penny that is given to him.
     
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  8. Hoops

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    Well if we end up with Malik Jefferson today you are gonna really know what a lost lb looks like.

    Minkahs football iq is off the charts. Most assignment sound player in the class on tape.

    Still the centerfield work looks like a lot of projection since there’s no tape of it. But I don’t see any reason he can’t do it at a plus level considering his instincts and how assignment sound he is.

    Zone awareness looks excellent also. This kid won’t blow assignments. You can take that to the bank.

    You want him deep as the deepest he will be there. In terms of covering tight ends I think he’s gonna do a lot of running underneath of them with help over the top vs legit ones. Similar to Malcolm Jenkins ask in philly.

    He’s gonna arrive with the football too from deep middle ask. Definitely gave us a much needed range upgrade in space play.
     
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  9. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    Did you see the Oakland game? we had no answer for Jared Cook. People can call it whatever position they want, but whatever the position was, we could not cover the tight end. This kid can do that for us! TB got us too.

    Fitzpatrick will help us on 3rd Downs in general, and covering tight ends in particular!
     
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  10. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I caught a quote in one of the articles posted that he was NFL-ready as a day one freshman with his intelligence, work ethic and football IQ. Edmunds had only one of the three as of today, which is why I thought this was such a great pick. Both are talented and dominant in their own regard but Fitzpatrick is a leader that can line up anywhere and make a play.

    I honestly believe that he was the safest pick in the entire first round for a 10-year starter that will always compete at a very high level. We could have went with a flashier name like Vea (insane strength, speed for a huge man) or Edmunds, but I really think we got it right since the goal is consistent productivity from day 1. This kid will be making Pro Bowl appearances.
     
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  11. djphinfan

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    STRONG POINTS • Good safety size. Very good athlete with speed, change of direction, quickness, flexibility and body control. Big-time playmaker. Has experience at both safety and corner. Can line up in the box, back deep, on the slot or even at corner. Effective pass rusher. Consistent tackler. Very good man coverage guy and an excellent zone player. Great ball skills and hands. As good as there is in this draft supporting the run.Can control a game with his play.

    WEAK POINTS • Really none, but he’s not likely to break 4.40 in the 40-yard dash. Might need to get a little bigger to hold up against NFL talent.

    WAY WE SEE IT • A true junior, Fitzpatrick was a top recruit out of high school who received significant playing time as a freshman in the Alabama subpackage. Moved to safety in 2016 when Eddie Jackson was injured. He’s been a difference-maker ever since. Not much he can’t do. Can line up in the box, on the back end, on the slot or even at wide receiver. Very good in both man and zone coverage. Great ball skills. Has nine career interceptions and has returned four of them for scores. Used as a pass rusher often and is very effective. Can play safety or corner at the NFL level and start right away at either. Future All-Pro. Better than Jalen Ramsey, who went No. 5 overall in 2016.


    PFW has heard from multiple scouts and front office evaluators who believe Alabama’s Minkah Fitzpatrick could be a generational type of prospect and might very well be the best player available in this draft.

    According to one AFC general manager, “I turn on Fitzpatrick’s tape and I see a cross between Eric Berry and Patrick Peterson. Not sure if I’m looking at a safety or a corner, but I know I’m seeing special.”


    “It’s my opinion that [Minkah Fitzpatrick] is the best safety prospect in years... and he can be a damn good corner, too.”

    PFF weekly.

    Pff also noted in a different article that the numbers show he's the best pass rusher amongst the db's.
     
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  12. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    You are correct. Maybe you can help me out. I am struggling to wrap my mind around what our defense will look like. Most notably, where do Jones, McDonald, McCain, and Fitzpatrick fit?

    Do you see a defense with a lot of specialized packages? Do you think McDonald moves to LB? Do you think a safety gets traded?
     
  13. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    I think we could see a 3-1-7 in five WR sets (probably if we are protecting a lead or at the end of the half)...Dline of Quinn, Harris, and Wake all chasing the QB, trying to get an angle. Xavier, Cordrea, Lippett, locked on XYZ, McCain covering the RB...Fitz on the TE, McDonald in an underneath zone and Jones doubling deep. Obviously it depends on who we are playing and if backs are used in the flats, that sort of thing.

    But in base-nickel, you could have McDonald at one LB (not sure who plays the other), then set up shop with X, CT, BMac, Jones, and Fitz. To me that makes sense. Tony Lippett and Torry McTyer for depth--and they can both play.
     
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  14. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    Well, he's never really played the position.

    As I've written before, I love Minkah and for the longest time he was 1a, 1b, 1c for me. I wanted no one else. He's a great player and a seemingly really smart and affable. Even if the Dolphins had not of drafted him I would have wished him the best.

    However, and maybe I worded my post wrong, he's a projection at FS and 11 is pretty high for a projection player at a position of need. Granted, Edmunds would also be a projection, and I've said as much, but we've seen him play at extremely high levels at a position the Dolphins would use him. We've seen Minkah play at extremely high levels at positions the Dolphins most likely won't use him much.

    When it's all said and done...I hope the kid makes the HoF one day. I'll be his biggest supporter and will definitely give him the benefit of the doubt for a season or two.
     
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  15. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think he is a chameleon..a true versatile skillset that can morph itself into whatever the plays responsibility is..
     
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  16. Finatik

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    From DraftWire:
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    This is all about value, and the Dolphins got plenty of it with one of the most versatile defenders in this year's class. Fitzpatrick has been a playmaker all over the Crimson Tide secondary for three seasons, lining up everywhere and establishing himself as a leader for one of the nation's most dominant units. Getting a complete prospect with such great character, both on and off the field, outside the top 10 is robbery.
     
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  17. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    I definitely think he's a great football player who loves the sport. And at the end, a great football player trumps most everything else.
     
  18. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    Nice post! You nailed it.
     
  19. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    The more I research Fitzpatrick, the more I get excited about him.

    I was trying to remember the last very good Free Safety Miami had and the best I could think of was Brock Marion. The rest since then has been adequate.

    Then I think about how many games Miami has lost because a player made a STUPID decision in a clutch situation on defense. I almost think it is too many to count. Fitzpatrick is a player who should at least be a good free safety who minimizes dumb mistakes.

    Another thing is that at Alabama he was a closer. I hate watching teams with less than 1 minute and 30 seconds to catch upagainst the Dolphins and feeling that there is at best a 50% chance that Miami pull it off. Heck, I almost feel like it is 80% chance if they only need a field goal. Miami only has two closers on the team. Wake and Jones. And there have been a few times when Wake makes a big sack on 3rd down, creating a long 4th down and the free safety makes a stupid mistake and allows a long 4th day.

    If Fitzpatrick can actually make it so third and long and fourth and long are longshots to being completed, I will be ecstatic.

    It is my very uninformed opinion that Derwin James was a more talented free safety with amazing leadership skills and I very much wanted him over Fitzpatrick. However, from my uninformed youtube/article research, I am very happy that Fitzpatrick is on the team.
     
  20. KeyFin

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    I honestly look for three things in ANY draft pick before watching film or looking at stats-

    1) Do they have the core physical attributes to thrive? Height, weight, strength, speed, quickness, etc.

    2) Are they a leader through action? I always want a hitter who's always in motion, getting to the ball, inspiring others, etc. That also includes watching film, stepping up at practices and all that other stuff we usually don't see......but every HOF candidate from Marino to JT to John Elway had that extra drive to perfect their craft.

    3) Do they have a high football IQ? I think intelligence is probably the single most important trait separating the really good from the elite.

    If a person doesn't meet all three criteria, I move onto the next guy.

    For me, Fitzpatrick was one of the few non-QB's that checked all 3 boxes in the early first round. I think folks are getting too hung up on his FS tag but he could literally play anywhere off the line of scrimmage and thrive. Safety, corner, linebacker.....Saban plugged him wherever he thought the kid would have the best chance of shutting down their opponent's biggest strength...and he often did. To me, that intangible outweighs what anyone else in the top dozen could bring, plus he's a leader with all the mental/physical tools as well.

    I am elated with this pick and it will pay massive dividends in the years to come. He's going to be a JT-like presence for a very long time.
     
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  21. Finatik

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    From Sporting News:
    Minkah Fitzpatrick fell just outside of the top 10, going 11th overall to the Dolphins. Similar to Derwin James, teams went quarterback crazy early, allowing some of the top defensive players to fall. Fitzpatrick should start on Day 1 for Miami, and bring some athleticism to its defense.

    And he's in some good company, historically. He's only the third player in college football history to win the Jim Thorpe Award and the Chuck Bednarik Award. The other two? Nine-time Pro Bowler Charles Woodson, and seven-time Pro Bowler Patrick Peterson.
     
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  22. Puka-head

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    We just got Earl Thomas/Eric Berry in Aqua and White.
     
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  23. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    Question: Did we retire Sam Madison's #29 or is that still available for Fitzpatrick?
     
  24. Galant

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  26. mlb1399

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    It's interesting seeing people disappointed with this pick. I get that no matter what you do there will be dissenters. By most draft pundits, he was a top 10 pick and one of the best defensive players in this draft. We've been burned by TE's and slot receivers for years and it looks like he could be a good solution to that. I know that the draft isn't a sure thing but the more Ive read about this guy, the happier I am that we took him. We've lost too many games because our defense couldn't get off the field or shut down an offense in the last minutes of the game. I'm hoping he helps.
     
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  27. djphinfan

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    I have only seen one dolphin fan disappointed with the pick unless I missed another in this thread..
     
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    It's Pillowtalk by Zayn, but it's a remix, so you'll have to do some digging on YouTube. I take it you're not from the US? They played that song to death on the radio over here, a lot of people enjoyed that single. Good luck in finding the right remix, my friend.
     
  29. M1NDCRlME

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    I'm disappointed that James wasn't the pick. However, Fitzpatrick being the guy that was picked makes up for that.
     
  30. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    Derwin James isn't a FS...hes what we already have two of. Fitz is a much pick for what we need.
     
  31. Surfs Up 99

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    Can’t see how anyone could be disappointed. James could end up being a great player, but so could Minkah. It’s not mutually exclusive. Minkah was the right player for what our team needs now. His intangibles are off the chart. We need that in our locker room right now more than anything.
     
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    James has better range and explosiveness than Minkah. He has also shown good ability to play high coverage more than mi kah has. His greater length also makes him better at covering big tight ends. That being said I think Minkah has a higher football IQ and intangibles. I would have preferred james or edmunds with that pick but I think minkah is a potentially great player as well. I'm hoping he works out.
     
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  33. CaribPhin

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    My understanding is Fitzpatrick played nickel ("Star" at Alabama) as a true freshman, then switched to safety as a sophomore because Eddie Jackson broke his leg. I understand that's how you feel about his ability, but you're rewriting what happened to fit your idea of him. He was slotted back into CB before his junior season but ended up playing well all over the field.
     
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  34. Phin McCool

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    I was disappointed, as I was hoping we’d go QB (Mayfield or Rosen) and, if not QB, then Edmunds. Now the draft dust has settled and after having genned up on all our picks, I’m massively looking forward to the coming season. I can’t remember the last time I was this enthusiastic, this early. I think Minkah will be huge for us if he stays healthy and I'm not disappointed anymore.
     
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  35. Redwine4all

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    There is obviously disagreement on those points. Teams like us that could use both, the Bucs could use both...passed on James. In the Bucs case, they passed on him twice.

    But he doesn't project at ONE position, either. I am sure he'll be a fine player, but choosing Minkah over him is not a huge gamble. Picking James wasn't a no brainer. This wasn't like choosing John Bosa over Chris Speilman.
     
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  36. Puka-head

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    I wanted Vea. But I never thought Fitzpatrick would make it past the Colts or the Bucs. He shouldn't have been there at 11. I'm hate to give him any credit but Slick Nick develops DBs like nobody else. Perhaps the football god's gave a little back for SaBans BS while here.

    Hope Minkah takes #11... and then retires it.
     
  37. KeyFin

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    I really liked Vea and he will likely be a Pro Bowl monster in the next few years; I just didn't feel like he was NFL starting caliber today. So I was very torn since you're not supposed to draft on potential alone....yet he has more of it than anyone. I wouldn't have been disappointed if we drafted him but it wouldn't have been my personal choice in the 1st.
     
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    I'm a bit of a homer as far as Vea was concerned, he played his home games an hour from my house and Ive been a UW fan since the early 90's, mostly cuz I had a Husky when I was a kid. Some good players coming out of UW now. I really was happy he was possible at 11 for us, but we've needed a ball hawk FS for as long, maybe longer than we've needed LBs and Gs. So I'm stoked Minkah's a Dolphin...even if he used to play for the devil.
     
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  39. pumpdogs

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    Yea I was hoping the cards would trade up with us and we would drop down to 15 and still get fitz but that was just me being greedy.
     
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  40. Surfs Up 99

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    I was re-watching this video this morning and what stood out to me is his intelligence on the little things. From the way he tackles, to understanding where the sideline is, his awareness when the ball is in the air, etc. The dude is just so smart. Can you remember how frustrating it was when someone on our team would do some bone-headed thing like tackle a guy out of bounds, or spear a guy helmet to helmet that would end up costing us 15 yards and extending the offense's drive? Things like that drive me nuts. Hopefully, Minkah won't have issues like that. These little things may not show up on his stat sheet, but they make a huge difference when our defense is trying to get off the field. Not to mention maybe he can help coach up our other players and help them maximize their potential, too. Games usually come down to a couple a plays one way or the other, sometimes it's the little things that can make a big difference between a loss or a win.
     
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