http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/19727/westhoff-bothered-by-bonamego-firing I guess Bobby Carpenter sucks
Westhoff stirring the pot, I see. You feel that strongly about Bonamego, Mike? Quit your job so that Bonamego can take it.
Well that is the most exact naming of names that I have seen concerning the the special teams debacle on MNF. And it is true, Bobby Carpenter had a horrible game on ST on Defense, as well as he played in the first two games is as badly as he played in the last two games. At Sparano's presser he mentioned Austin Spitler played 15 plays and he did not hear any negative feedback, which is a wake up call to Mr Carpenter, but with Sparano, a wake up call generally means you are waived with 9 days to go until the Packers game Carpenter had better be renting on a month by month deal.
I do. Mike Westhoff is the best special teams coach in the business and he is perfectly right, too. We can cheer about Bonamego's firing all day long, but it doesn't change the simple fact that Ireland shares much of the blame for tinkering with the bottom of the roster in a mindboggingly silly fashion. When you make a total of 16 roster moves in a month (the league average, by the way, is less than 5), then you shouldn't be surprised if your special teams completely stink up the joint. And you also shouldn't make the ST coach your scapegoat when the players you brought in blow it big time.
That is offbase Vendi: -most of the churned players are inactive to begin with, they constitute the inactive list or practice squad, to suggest otherwise is simply wrong. -Crowder missing the first four games meant a Veteran ILB had to be brought in, Carpenter was the best FA ILB available, as poorly as he played vs the Patriots is as good as he played vs the Vikings. -Bonamego's ST unit played poorly in the preseason and it carried over into the regular season, the idea that Carpenter showed up and the unit became poor is also simply wrong, Carpenter was nowhere to be seen in the preseason when two punts were blocked. Why didn't Bonamego fix that problem before the games mattered? -Since when should anyone take what a division rival Coaching Staff has to say be taken seriously? Who is naive enough to take what they have to say at face value?
No, it is not. I did not suggest anything. It is a simple fact that two of the "churned" players directly caused 21 points last week. That's a) strictly your opinion and b) pretty irrelevant in the course of this particular argument. Carpenter is - and always has been by the way - a lousy ST player. If you particularly want to sign the guy, you make sure he doesn't have to play there. Otherwise you're begging for exactly what was happening on Monday. I didn't say anything to that effect at all, but since you're bringing it up as a strawman: Remind me of the preseason game in which we endured a blocked punt, a blocked fiel goal and a return TD? The unit certainly wasn't good but it also wasn't that bad. So I suppose Bonamego told Carpenter not to block his guy on the punt and then asked him to take precisely the wrong angle on the return. Oh, and I also suppose he also had a chat with God and made Carpenter too slow to recover from the bad angle? Just because I don't see them doesn't mean they are not out there, huh?
Yes, it is, if one read the article, and noticed those named: Murtha Hilliard Carpenter One would also know they played special teams last season and were not "churned" players, those who are churned 99% of the time do not play at first, they may eventually see the field, but either way, they had nothing to do with the problems on ST, that is merely a paste eating idea. Pfft, do you recall Dallas having kicks blocked when Carpenter was on their ST unit? Did you see Carpenter on the field for Miami during the preseason? And yet there were two blocked punts in the preseason, think Bonamego should have eliminated that from happening again? Nope, Carpenter blew his assignment twice it cost the Dolphins 2 TD's. Whether he is waived or relegated remains to be seen, the larger point is Carpenter was not the sole problem the ST unit was bad in the preseason as well. It does mean whatever an opponent says should be taken with a grain of salt.
If that "douche bag" was the Dolphins ST coach on Monday, maybe you guys win and not get embarrassed on national TV?
Lemme get this straight, you don't think a ST coach fired from the team for no good reason, is going to display some bitterness when asked what he thought of a ST coach being fired from the same team? Further, where is it written, that all the things Westoff listed didn't have ANYTHING to do with scheme? Its is job to coach up the players they have, he failed.
Pathetic comeback. Peyton Manning was in the game until the late 3rd QTR. We were in the lead and had momentum. The Bengals on the other hand got completely destroyed on Sunday Night. It wasn't until we were up 28-0 until they took their starters out. How do you like them apples? How was it watching us destroy the Bengals AGAIN in the playoffs at their house? How was watching that ome? What about beating the Chargers in THEIR house? How was watching that one? If it wasn't for our secondary, we would have made the Super Bowl in YOUR house. Go do some research, rookie.
And how, exactly, was Bonamego supposed to make a cat bark? You still haven't told me what how Bonamego was supposed to make Bobby Carpenter take the right angle or actually block the guy lined up right in front of him. I'm still waiting. Enlighten me please. Take it with a mountain of salt, if you want, it doesn't change the fact that he's perfectly right.
No, I don't think someone is necessarily bitter over something that happened more than ten years ago and was done by people who aren't even with the organization anymore. And I especially don't think so if the coach in question pretty much has a track record for being anything but bitter. On the tape. Show me where there's a scheme issue on those three plays.
Between what the Dolphins did to him and what our ST did to him last year, you really don't think there's bitterness? A coach's job is to make the personnel he has work, if that weren't the case, everyone would run exactly the same plays at a given situation. If Bonamego saw they had problems with getting punts blocked, for example, then it is absolutely his job to scheme better...or do you think its possible to just go get better players whenever the need arises?
We have been bringing in good special teams players for two years now, Dobbins, Walden Carpenter etc... Did they forget how to do it when they got here? No, it was the coaching and the schemes, plane and simple. Westhoff is still bitter because he still wants to be here!
sorry pad, I agree with your thoughts, I just couldn't help but think of this when reading that sentence: YouTube - Tim McCarver on a good day
I 75% agree and 25% disagree. Bobby Carpenter is an emergency move. He was out there, the front office is familiar with him and vice versa, we lost AJ Edds, Crowder is hurt… yeah, you sign Carpenter in that scenario. And it’s not like it was a terrible signing. Carpenter helped us win the Vikings game, despite helping us to lose the Patriots game. So in that context, I can’t blast Ireland for having Carpenter on the team. If training camp goes a little smoother he’s not even here.
No, I don't. He has never publicly expressed any sort of bitterness towards the Dolphins in ten years. Besides, the guy's a bone cancer survivor. One would assume he had more important things to worry about than one job incident a decade ago. And no, I also don't assume someone is bitter over losing a football game. In fact, the reactions here are way more telling (and bitter) than Westhoff's remarks. If it's a scheme issue - yeah. But there's little a coach can do when a player flat out fails to block. Those three plays had nothing whatsoever to do with scheming. They were purely about execution, or the lack thereof. Sure, you can argue that ultimately the buck stops with the responsible coach, but it's a wee bit silly to have it stop there and not extend it to the GM who acquired the players that flat out failed to block.
Well, one could certainly argue that they've left themselves with little options after refusing to put Crowder on IR, but alas, let's not go there. It's not so much that I mind the Carpenter sign per se. He's okay at ILB depth. The problem is, he stinks on ST - always has - and yet we plug him right in there. And that's indicative of a much bigger problem, namely that the FO quite simply doesn't put much value (if any) on ST. And it shows. Contrary to all this nonsense about them putting a premium on ST contribution, they have not brought in one standout ST player. They haven't even drafted one. Heck, we still got Patrick Cobbs at KR and Davone Bess at PR. That's telling right there. They've been treating ST like a stepchild from day 1 and now they're reaping the results.
The ILB and RB free agent cupboards are pretty empty. Green Bay is having trouble at both positions. They would have added someone if they could have. Even our ILB castoffs have found jobs, mainly in Buffalo. Not much we can do there. I think they do value special teams, at least if the rhetoric is to be believed. The problem is that they don’t value dedicating roster spots specifically to special teams play. They value holding on to a developmental player more than they do signing a guy whose only job is to play special teams. Clifton Smith is the only specifically-for-special-teams signing I can think of this regime making, and he was gone just as quickly as he arrived because they valued the roster spot for a developmental player. A lot of the guys we have on special teams have never played them before arriving here, I don’t think. I see two problems at work: First, the coaching staff is overconfident in their ability to correct every flaw in every player. It’s just not possible. But we see them signing injury-prone guys believing that their conditioning program will fix that, and it doesn’t. We see them shunning the use of roster spots specifically for special teams players, believing that they can coach depth and developmental players to become special teams aces, and they can’t. Ireland and Sparano need to bring themselves to more quickly divest themselves of the Ray Feingas and the Clifton Geathers and the Rob Roses of the world to make room for guys who can kick *** on special teams. And second, the regime is bipolar when it comes to giving players chances. Clifton Smith was here one day and gone the next, Will Allen was put on IR out of nowhere despite the fact that he’s probably ready to play right now; Channing Crowder is not on IR despite the fact that he’s nowhere near ready, and Quentin Moses must have learned blackmail from Bobby Carpenter. It’s time for Ireland to use some of those bountiful sixth and seventh round draft picks on guys who will solely play special teams, not guys who could develop into serviceable backups in 3 years.
I dont like apples, I like oranges.......So you throw a halfass backhanded comment at Miami fans, with something that is a lie, and had no shot of actually happening, taking place, or any chance at coming true, after I orignally said something to you that was 100% true...and I am a rookie?? By the way what exactly am I a rookie of?? What is "YOUR" house?? I live in Rhode Island, my house is on a street behind a high school. Your a secondary coach too?? What is the status of your CB Revis then....I love the fact you responded so harshly at me, one can only contend it is all up in your head....Do me a favor troll, just go away, it is clear all you do is bash Miami and their fans looking for fights, and why the mods havent banned you for trolling, like I did on Jetsnation after 2 comments against that team is beyond me...your a nothing more than a little ***** that hides behind a computer screen.... you give PS17, and Bickety Bam a bad name...
Hold on, let me polish your week 4 champions trophy. OTA champs, week 4 champs..you guys love to crown yourselves when it doesn't matter. don't worry, you guys will melt down before seasons end. Like usual. And like usual, you and little trolls like yourself will be long gone. And for the record, Westoff is a rat. He was a guest to Dolphins camp when Parcells took over. And then he went and returned to the Jets just days later. He wants us to cut guys because they can't play on special teams? Sorry Westhoff you dope, but we need guys who can play LB too. Carpenter has been pretty good while Crowders been out. We're not cutting him because he crapped the bed on specials.
You should just ignore this idiot. And he does give Jets fans a bad name. Who the hell shoots their mouth off after 4 f@cking games?! Did he forget 8-3 two year ago? If he were a real Jets fan, he would know better. Now with that being said, Barbie Carpenter sucks I know you need a body out there, but this guy is allergic to tackling. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWOCIMtOqDw"]YouTube - What's Bobby Doing Here?[/ame]
Carpenter isn't a thumper, but he's played better than most of us thought he could. He's been an adequate back-up, better than Dobbins imo. All we can do his hope he continues to improve.
Continues to improve? When has he improved? He's progressingly gotten worse since coming here. He was decent at best in coverage in first game, then he was not decent at all and was screwing up all over the field. He's not even close to Dobbins in the run support despite how bad Dobbins has played. Barbie is getting pushed around like a rag doll on run plays, giving up pass plays, and destroying our chances on STs... Please tell me your joking? Continuing to get better ? LOL
not sure what games you were watching, but he has played better here, than he has ever before. so yeah, i hope he continues to improve in regard to his career, not just the first 4 games of this season, or the last NE game. he has played way smarter and more instinctively than dobbins. dobbins has been atrocious. carpenters not a very physical player, but he has been decent against the pass, and is decent at sniffing out the play. dobbins just looks lost. and progressively gotten worse since coming here? what are you talking about? is that a joke, he's been here a freakin month! he had one piss-poor game on special teams last week. give me a break, he stepped in for Crowder better than any of us could have hoped for. wait, let me throw a few of these in. I'll copy and paste yours cuz i be lazy: Please tell me your joking? LOL LOL LOL LOL ctrl v.
Barbie Carpenter has been TERRIBLE since the Cowboys drafted him: BUT>>> He stopped the best RB in the league, twice, both times in the redzone. Not sure my hero Urlacher couldve done that. Damn, not sure ZACH couldve stopped Adrian Peterson TWICE in within the 10 yard line.....
exactly. i think people lose sight of the fact that this guy has not been able to make it onto the field hardly at all throughout his career! And i think they lose site that in the NE 41-14 loss, our D was responsible for 13 of those points. Our defense is not playing poorly. No one is saying Carpenter is a stud...or playing great...but he IS doing a decent job filling in for Crowder. Some people see a word like "decent" or "okay" and they fail at understanding the true meaning of that very simple word. Hint: it does not mean great.
Well, he also does a good job covering Te's when so tasked, granted Keller did a get a TD with Carpenter in coverage but he made Sanchez throw a great pass to get it into Keller. That said, Sparano mentioned Austin Spitler in his day after presser which could easily mean Carpenter should have his bags packed as they will cut a player in a heart beat.
Well, I would throw in that Chowder, throughout his ellustrious career has been. somewhere between "Decent" and "okay"......leaning heavily towards the latter...
