Mike Wallace's Effect on Ryan Tannehill's Downfield Passing

We all want good things to happen. Please tell me what YOU would do as a GM. I'm not trying to trap you into saying something stupid. I want you to understand how tough these decisions actually are.

If you had to put your name on the dotted line regarding the following...


A) What would you do with Hartline if Wallace is retained?

B) What would you do with Hartline if Wallace is cut/traded?

C) What would you do to replace Hartline if Wallace is cut/traded?

D) What would you do to replace Wallace if Hartline is cut/traded?

E) Does Wallace have any incentive to restructure his contract?

 

And I might ask from a SIMPLE perspective, how many yards did Hartline get in the final 13 games that year?

 

This thread is amazing.

 

When Tanny can get the ball to him deep in stride,then we'll talk. It is both of their jobs to practice till they get it right.I am hoping that some how Marino's deep ball will rub off on Tanny.

 

I'd love to take a poll of every other NFL team and their Fans, players, coaches, front offices, etc and see who would take Hartline over Wallace in any capacity.

 

Or hartline over any of their starting WRs.

 

But.... but.. did you see his deep yardage in 2012?!

 

I'm not sure why people can't separate Hartline having more success deep with Tannehill from Wallace being a better overall option than Hartline. I get called a Wallace hater, but I wouldn't, say that Hartline is a better option than Wallace. I do think Wallace is the root of much of the deep problems for them.

 

Tannephins, I can tell you're a new member here without even looking at the join date or number of posts...

 

You cant blame the guy burning defensive backs by 4-5 yards

Or actually?? You can....

Sucks but what ya gonna do? Its a public forum

 

You are making Hartline's 2012 year sound like some sort of mystery...dude, seriously, it is NOT a secret to anyone with a pair of eyes why Tannehill looked better throwing the ball 30 yards down the field to Hartline as opposed to 40 yards down the field to Wallace.

Let me give you the straight dope, ok?

You want the honest answer that probably 90% of the world really believes?


Mike Wallace is fast. He's real fast. He's noticeably faster than most NFL WRs. You gotta be really f'ing good to hit Mike Wallace "in stride." It's a lot easier to throw to a target like Brian Hartline who, by NFL standards, isn't that fast. EVERYONE can throw to a Brian Hartline. ONLY AN ELITE FEW can throw to a Mike Wallace.


You know what Brian Hartline didn't do very well in 2012 (outside of Phoenix, Arizona) and what he's NEVER done well? Create YAC. The back-to-back 1000-yd seasons of Hartline's glory represent as much as that little white dude is ever going to put out.

Outside of the 80-yd busted coverage play in Phoenix, do you know what Hartline's longest play was? 41 yards

Do you know how many plays he had over 40 yards? Just that one.

You know how many TDs he had that year. Just one.

You know how many he had without the help of that busted coverage in Phoenix, Arizona? None.

So if we're really talking about "deep passing" and not just stuff "over 20 yards," then NO, Hartline did not have an exceptional 2012 year. Maybe our QB isn't good enough yet to throw the ball down the field like Ben Roethlisberger or Joe Flacco, but you know what? He's average.

Tannehill's accuracy is average. Mike Wallace's speed requires precision.

The two are a bad match. What's hard to understand about that?


Brian Hartline isn't special, and he sure isn't worth $20M over the next 3 seasons.

I don't know what I would buy with $20M, but it sure as hell would be better than Brian Hartline.

 

Basically I'll give it to you as simple as I know how. Tanny was able to hit Hartline because he is slow so it gave Tanny the time he needed to first find him and then throw it to him..on the other hand Wallace is extremely fast and it has tAken Tanny a long time to adjust. I think we are finally starting to see them click and with a big,strong,fast WR that can catch and all of the OFF season work,we will see them connect next year for 1600 yards and 12 TD's.

 

Awesome post Greg

 

Hartline is finished. The guy getting older and isn't worth all that money when he barely does anything anymore. The team will cut him if they have any sense and will get a big wide receiver to go along with Wallace and Landry. I'm happy with what I've seen from Wallace this year. Overpaid yes but he has 10 touchdowns and makes this team better. Hartline does not.

 

Wow, I simply am amazed at the idea and roles of Hartline and Wallace are such a mystery.

Routes, Routes, Routes..some Tannehill is better at throwing accurately others not so much.

Now wait a moment lil kiddies, Hartline is an outside the hashmarks Wr, out routes, hooks etc.

Wallace is much more adept at going deep and creating seperation..while going down the field, ie the sideline is his enemy not his friend, unlike Hartline. The route trees each run are very very different, if that concept is difficult to grasp do not know what to tell you.

All that has happened this season is Lazor's offense spreads the ball around more, ie, Hartline is not the focus he was in previous seasons. It is not as if he has forgotten how to play football.

 

How many over 40 yd receptions did Wes Welker have with Manning and Brady tossing him the ball?

Is that the metric, what about first downs, drops, etc.

 

That is why we need to dump Hartline and draft 2guys..Devante Parker and Breshard Perriman and we will be set at WR for years.

 

There is a better chance of me playing WR for the Dolphins this year than Hartline. Let him go back home to Cleveland

 

That sounds good in your head but from a mathematic standpoint it's nonsense. You're talking about a difference in terms of tenths of a second. No one is physically going to get down the field too fast.

 

He is still starting. It's not like he never gets any opportunities anymore. Even with the opportunities he is given he has clearly lost a step. He is done. If you're the #2 starting receiver and only got 2 touchdowns time to look somewhere else.

 

Yeah its all completely irrelevant. He is gone for a reason. I'm still laughing at the idea of him being kept as the primary down field theat. Idc what his numbers were, that s**t is funny.

 

Uh no. "Tenths of seconds" absolutely matter in football. Its far from nonsense, especially when referring to down field plays. There is a reason it's a lot easier to hit Hartline in stride down field than Wallace. Also helps when Hartline had completely busted coverage to work with. You know, like the reason his deep stats for '12 were so padded in the first place.

 

This post basically ends this thread. Anyone with eyes can see 2012 looks like nothing more than an anomaly.

 

No, a self proclaimed expert on this site who has logged 10,000 hours clearly said Hartline is a better deepthreat.

 

You just claimed Brian Hartline is "more open" than Mike Wallace down the field. And someone liked your post.

Sucks but what ya gonna do, it is a public forum.

 

If Mike Wallace and Brian Hartline ran a 40 yard dash next to each other, the distance between the two at the end would not be big enough to represent any difference in terms of difficulty for the throw. There theoretically would be a difference in terms of separation from a defender, but there's a whole lot of mitigating circumstances involved.

Also, the idea that Brian Hartline's deep success comes solely off of that singular deep pass is really pretty ridiculous. If you take that out, Mike Wallace still won't have produced the same as '12 Brian Hartline deep in the past two years.

You can also compare Mike Wallace's yards per target to virtually every single other wide receiver or tight endon the Dolphins roster during Tannehill's career here and he comes away unfavorably, most of them by roughly double. Your 265-pound blocking H-Back Dion Sims is a more fruitful deep target on a per-attempt basis than Wallace.

 

Your definition of "deep" is very shallow it seems. Feel bad for the wife.

 

Listen, at this point I don't think anyone is under the illusion that you're equipped to contribute to this thread in any meaningful sense. Why don't you just watch and "Fist Bump" posts by people who can fully articulate ideas you agree with rather than doing whatever it is you think you are doing?

 

Anybody can make things up, you have already been shown evidence (not that people with knowledge of the game needed it) that the 2012 argument you continue to push is nothing "meaningful" when it comes to contributing. Do you not have a counter argument for those people?? I wonder why.

The ridiculous 20 yards in the air is a deep ball claim has also been flushed down the toilet, all the skewed numbers some people are trying to sell does nothing more than create entertainment for the rest of the world. So please, carry on.

 

He's saying considering that difference is tenths of a second, it is not possible to get down the field too fast.

 

There is no denying, that for whatever reason, Tannehill to Hartline deep in 2012 was more successful than Tannehill to Wallace deep in 2013 or 2014. Now that doesn't mean that Hartline is more important to the team, or is a bigger threat on the field than Wallace. I think it's silly to argue that Wallace gets down the field so much faster than Hartline, so it's harder to hit him. If anything, that should make it easier, since Tannehill has relatively short time to throw, so s receiver getting downfield faster should allow him be open sooner than a slower receiver. It's just that .2 seconds doesn't get you a whole hell of a lot further downfield. I still think the bigger issue is Wallace running unreliable routes, and not being able to track balls well, combined with his less than stellar ability at catching with his hands. All that being said, I'd still take Wallace on the team every day over Hartline, but I think we're misusing Wallace, and not putting him in positions to succeed.

 

Why? He has been open deep on a consistent basis in his tenure here, that ability is system proof. Has gotten wide open, he has done his part.