Mike Wallace..showing signs of life?

"Stringer Bell wrote:

No Bess. Hartline, Gibson, and Matthews. The team would be a lot better off giving extra reps to Matthews.

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So, had we kept Bess and signed only Gibson, we'd be lining up with Bess, Hartline and Matthews now because Gibson is out. You think defenses would play us the same if it were Bess lined up in Wallace's spot?

"MrClean wrote:

Ok, one question for the anti-Wallace crowd, would you be happier if we had not changed our WR corps at all from last year? Just lined up with Hartline, Bess and Matthews from the get go instead?

Yes. We wouldn't be any worse than we are now, and we could have used a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a young receiver like Keenan Allen, who has been better as a rookie than Mike Wallace has been as an overpaid free agent.

"KB21 wrote:

Yes. We wouldn't be any worse than we are now, and we could have used a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a young receiver like Keenan Allen, who has been better as a rookie than Mike Wallace has been as an overpaid free agent.

I don't recall the draft occurring before FA. Just sayin.

"GMJohnson wrote:

That's pretty thin. Why not throw a ton of cash at Gruden or Cowherd, that'd move the needle more than any player outside of Peyton.

Because they wouldn't accept? The team went after Jeff Fisher before Joe Philbin.

Either way, if Miami didn't sign Wallace they'd have to spend that money on someone just to meet the salary floor. Stephen Ross had to spend that money on someone.

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"Stringer Bell wrote:

Mike Wallace has 3 TDs in 104 targets.

Aldrick Robinson has 2 TDs in 19 targets.

yeah it's a bummer Tannehill has had trouble with his deep ball this year.... but maybe we should keep things in perspective for when he gets fully on track.

Since 2009
Wallace: 35 TD in 509 targets.
Fitzgerald: 40 TD in 732 targets.
Marshall: 39 TD in 764 targets.
A Johnson: 28 TD in 672 targets.

"Stringer Bell wrote:

Yes I likely am smarter than most, but they aren't the ones signing the checks. Mike Wallaces biggest impact was made before he ever stepped on the field. It was a move that was widely praised by most fans. This was right in the middle of the teams push to get subsidies from aforementioned fans.

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You're likely smarter than most of our coaches? No conceit in your family is there?

"phinsational wrote:

yeah it's a bummer Tannehill has had trouble with his deep ball this year.... but maybe we should keep things in perspective for when he gets fully on track.

Since 2009
Wallace: 35 TD in 509 targets.
Fitzgerald: 40 TD in 732 targets.
Marshall: 39 TD in 764 targets.
A Johnson: 28 TD in 672 targets.

And if he ever produces like he did years ago, the discussion will change I'm sure. At this point we are just hoping he "gets on track".

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"MrClean wrote:

You're likely smarter than most of our coaches? No conceit in your family is there?

More a matter of probability than anything.

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"Stringer Bell wrote:

And if he ever produces like he did years ago, the discussion will change I'm sure. At this point we are just hoping he "gets on track".

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Brandon Marshall made you guys look silly, now Mike Wallace is doing the same thing.

These guys didn't become worse WRs once they stepped foot in Miami, they are the same player in a different situation.

"MrClean wrote:

You're likely smarter than most of our coaches? No conceit in your family is there?

Not sure why people think its impossible to be smarter than a coach/gm. There are millions of extremely bright people oyt there who simply never get a chance to do anything with their lives or choose a different path.

"Alex44 wrote:

Not sure why people think its impossible to be smarter than a coach/gm. There are millions of extremely bright people oyt there who simply never get a chance to do anything with their lives or choose a different path.

No one said it's impossible.

"MrClean wrote:

No one said it's impossible.

Fair enough, I just dont think someone is conceited for saying it. Now whether it is true in any given case is a different story lol.

"Alex44 wrote:

Not sure why people think its impossible to be smarter than a coach/gm. There are millions of extremely bright people oyt there who simply never get a chance to do anything with their lives or choose a different path.

It's far from impossible, but the odds you will find someone on a message board smarter than a coach/GM are slim. Anyone can research numbers, but there is an insight inside the game that those guys are privy too that we are not.

"Fin-Omenal wrote:

Brandon Marshall made you guys look silly, now Mike Wallace is doing the same thing.

These guys didn't become worse WRs once they stepped foot in Miami, they are the same player in a different situation.

I never said Marshall wasn't a good player. He's a great player. His issue is his mental illness.

Mike Wallace also wasnt very good last year in Pittsburgh. He isnt a guy that was elite until he came to Miami.

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"Stringer Bell wrote:

I never said Marshall wasn't a good player. He's a great player. His issue is his mental illness.

Mike Wallace also wasnt very good last year in Pittsburgh. He isnt a guy that was elite until he came to Miami.

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He is who I thought he was..

A game breaking WR who can put 6 on the board real quick...and he has put our team in situations to make those plays. As a WR you can't control much else.

I'll say this also, he is a MUCH better blocker than I ever gave him credit for.

"phinsational wrote:

I don't recall the draft occurring before FA. Just sayin.

And?

It's very clear to see that if we hadn't wasted money on free agent receivers, we could have gotten Keenan Allen in the third round instead of this turd of a linemen we drafted in Dallas Thomas and built the receiving corps with the system. Rishard Matthews and Keenan Allen would have been a great base for the future. As it is, the only receiver we have that will be here in 2016 is Matthews.

"Stringer Bell wrote:

Because they wouldn't accept? The team went after Jeff Fisher before Joe Philbin.

Either way, if Miami didn't sign Wallace they'd have to spend that money on someone just to meet the salary floor. Stephen Ross had to spend that money on someone.

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What they should have done to spend that money is go ahead and give Randy Starks, Paul Soliai, and Chris Clemons the extensions they should get, resign Jake Long, and trade for Branden Albert.

We have not seen Wallace's peak here yet. Not by a long shot. Bear with me on this.

"KB21 wrote:

What they should have done to spend that money is go ahead and give Randy Starks, Paul Soliai, and Chris Clemons the extensions they should get, resign Jake Long, and trade for Branden Albert.

They signed Wallace, let it go.

"Stringer Bell wrote:

Either way, if Miami didn't sign Wallace they'd have to spend that money on someone just to meet the salary floor. Stephen Ross had to spend that money on someone

No, he did not. Contrary to common belief, the salary floor does not apply to a single season. It applies to a 4-year period from 2013 to 2016. Stephen Ross could've easily not spent a dime this offseason (or the next one, for that matter) and comfortably make the salary floor. In addition, the penalty for failing to meet the floor is incredibly weak: the team simply has to make up the difference.

"KB21 wrote:

And?

It's very clear to see that if we hadn't wasted money on free agent receivers, we could have gotten Keenan Allen in the third round instead of this turd of a linemen we drafted in Dallas Thomas and built the receiving corps with the system. Rishard Matthews and Keenan Allen would have been a great base for the future. As it is, the only receiver we have that will be here in 2016 is Matthews.

Allen would have been nice but he was taken one pick before Thomas. Then again, Marquise Goodwin and Markus Wheaton were taken right after Thomas. Still pissed that we didn't draft a DE in a deep class instead of Jelani Jenins in the 4th rd, particularly Devin Taylor.

"Stringer Bell wrote:

And if he ever produces like he did years ago, the discussion will change I'm sure. At this point we are just hoping he "gets on track".

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last 2 weeks are a good starting point

"Stringer Bell wrote:

And if he ever produces like he did years ago, the discussion will change I'm sure. At this point we are just hoping he "gets on track".

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He hasn't produced numbers like that in his past 35 games. Over his past 35 games, he has caught 14 TD passes in 149 receptions. This is after catching 11 TDs in 61 receptions during his first 24 games of his career. That TD production actually declined some, but not much, over his next 16 games, which overall is his most productive span as a receiver in his career. During that time, he caught 10 TDs on 81 receptions.

There has been a steady decline in his production since the midpoint of the 2011 season. These are things our illustrious front office should have taken into account but didn't. All Jeff Ireland saw was speed, speed, speed. He didn't take into account scheme fit or evaluate anything else with Mike.

"cdz12250 wrote:

We have not seen Wallace's peak here yet. Not by a long shot. Bear with me on this.

His peak was a 16 game span that ended about 35 games ago. He's been in steady decline since then. It is highly unlikely that he is suddenly going to peak above that production in this system, as he has not learned how to do anything but use his speed. Looking at the statistical trend on him, I find it much more likely that he will continue his overall decline until the team cuts him after the third year of this contract. Particularly in a timing based passing game. He simply cannot play and be productive in a timing offense. He's not good enough as a route runner and is piss poor as a blocker and at reading coverages.

Here's the trend:

1st 24 games: 61 receptions, 1,203 yards, 11 TDs, 20.7 yards per reception
next 16 games: 81 receptions, 1,550 yards, 10 TDs, 19.1 yards per reception
next 23 games: 93 receptions, 1,229 yards, 11 TDs, 13.2 yards per reception
Miami 12 games: 56 receptions, 743 yards, 3 TDs, 13.3 yards per reception

Note that he had 64 for 863 and 8 last year in Pittsburgh after they moved to a timing oriented offense.

Piss poor as a blocker...

THIS GUY DOESNT WATCH FOOTBALL GAMES, SIMPLY REFERENCES STATS THAT "HE" DEEMS WORTHY.

Shou-like.