Bruce Arians's offense does not require timing or precision route runner, and it's the only offense Mike has been productive in.
It's not the scheme. It's the fact that Mike Wallace does not fit the scheme because of his poor route running. Again, why does Ryan not struggle to hit other receivers on down the field throws. His accuracy percentage to Brian Hartline is around 48% over the past two years on 34 attempts. Mike's poor route running throws off the timing of the passes. See Mike Wallace stopping his slant route against Carolina instead of running the route through. This problematic missing of Mike Wallace has been a 2 year trend now, and the common denominator isn't Ryan Tannehill.
When Tannehill is consistently inaccurate on something as simple as straight fly patterns to Wallace, that would seem to remove or at least significantly diminish the route running aspect. No one is arguing with you about Wallace as an overall route runner- we all know that he's not good at this, it's not exactly a revelation or a solved mystery. The relevant aspect of all this is the RT deep throws to Wallace and why they're going so badly. Look again at the one success, the long TD down the right sideline against Carolina. Wallace beat his man badly and was open by a wide margin, and yet that play was damn near an incompletion. Look at the replay at 1:15 here and see how close Munnerlin was to breaking up that pass after getting blown out of the play by Wallace. He was so close to breaking up that pass that I can't tell exactly how close he was, I would guess less than an inch away. It was a poor throw. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t44xgKLse4 This is just one play, but how much more could you ask from a receiver on that play? Wallace blew by the CB, got wide open deep, adjusted well to a poorly thrown ball, made the catch with Munnerlin in his face and took it to the end zone. I mean seriously, what more could anyone ask? The ball was so underthrown that Wallace was actually backpedaling when he caught it, that's how much he had to slow down and position himself for that catch. And this is the one successful deep pass for a TD that I can recall- a lot of the other passes are, of course, much uglier. Your'e talking about a guy in Wallace who over the last five years is either the top deep threat in the NFL or certainly one of the top deep threats statistically, as if he's incompetent at doing that- in doing so your mixing apples and oranges- this is not about short/intermediate route running, this is about deep balls that are by and large much more straightforward in terms of timing and route running. Phinsational already showed how last year a lot of the deep passes in Pitt were actually thrown by QBs other than Roethlisberger, excellent point. Between that FACT and not only the prima facie evidence of RTs struggles throwing deep this year but the ADMISSIONS of the coaching staff and Tannehill himself that he's struggling with hitting a wide open Wallace on deep balls (according to RT Wallace is TOO OPEN, and that's kind of meesing with his head). Also, if you want to argue a point, regardless of how baseless and crappy that I think it is, specifically in this case that the RT/Wallace deep ball issues are all on Wallace (ridiculous), that's fine. But when the coaches and Tannehill flat out say that Tannehill is struggling ie sucking balls at throwing deep to a WIDE OPEN Wallace and you try to repackage that as Tannehill falling on a sword of blame and accepting criticism that he really doesn't deserve- that's bad form. Historical revisionism in the name of trying to inflate your argument isn't doing anyone here a bit of good.
Save it. I already used those first two completions to rebuttals him and CK's claim Wallace does not adjust to poorly thrown balls or fight for passes that are not right too him. His response? Those first two plays were "perfect" passes by Tannehill.
You would think the bolded alone would mean something to him or, at least, maybe make him think twice about his comments, but rest assure, it certainly will not.
Wallace has 100yds and a TD...The naysayers will still claim Wallace sucks. Wallace has 2 catches for 30 yards...it will be like Xmas morning for those yahoo's. This thread shall live
One of the problems as to relying too heavily on statistical evidence is that it doesn't factor in the positive aspects of a negative play. For example, if a QB throws a beautiful deep ball and it's dropped, how does that effect his QBR? Not well. Conversely, if a WR is consistently getting open deep and the passes aren't good, how does that reflect on the WR statistically if the plays are incompletions? Not good. It takes two to tango on the deep balls, the WR has to do his job and the QB has to do his. Statistical analysis doesn't differentiate the praise/blame relationship as to who did what between the QB and WR on passes. It records either success or failure, that's it, no deeper understanding of what happened on any given play. If you're just looking at the stats, did the OL do it's job? Who knows. Did the QB throw a really good ball? Who knows. Did the WR do his job really well? Was it more of a case of the QB throwing an outstanding pass? Did the DB fall down? Did the WR make a circus catch? Did he blow by the DB and the QB had to make nothing more than a layup throw for a completion and maybe a TD? Who knows. That's what makes statistical analysis kind of hollow. It's pass/fail for the most part, either a merit or demerit in the books as it were. It takes a closer look and a keen eye to actually see what happened, how it happened, why it happened. Stats are fine as a tool, but nothing more imo. If you go just by the stats you'll end up taking a QB Kellen Moore with a top 10 pick, and you'll pay the price.
With the Steelers knowledge of Wallace and what makes him uncomfortable, coupled with the defense doing their best to not let Mike go off....I'd be shocked to see a whole lot from 11. But that extra attention will open it up for Rishard and Hartline.
Ike Taylor already suggested they plan on jamming our WR's. Our pass protection vs a complex DC like Lebeau...we will need RT to anticipate better than ever to score points. I'm nervous we get offensively murdered today.
I hope they do jam Wallace all day bc they only need to miss once and it'll be lights out. I'm a little worried about the pressure but dealing with blitzes seems to be what Philbin and co taught Tannehill first. If we can stay out of long yardage situations I think the Steelers will be more concerned with protecting their DBS than attacking our QB.
If I have learned anything in this thread it is that additional coverage going to Wallace DOES NOT impact the other players ability to get open.
Of course not. Double coverage given one receiver does not mean single coverage for the rest. It's that new math.
How many defenders were surrounding Wallace on Clay's first TD? Am I to believe the attention shown Wallace on that play had nothing to do with Clay being wide open?
No, not really? Dude ran into a safeties zone with a guy trailing in man coverage, it's hardly Calvin Johnson stuff. Clay got a really good release, and got to the open part of the field. Neither of those guys were likely otherwise to have to cover Clay.
Shh. We have to continue to perpetuate this myth that a player who catches 2 passes for 19 yards is making an irreplaceable impact on the game.
I'd have to look at the replay as per that, but at some point Tannehill is going to have to stop underthrowing Wallace- same old story but it's still happening. I'd say that if were better at hitting Wallace in the deep ball we could be 9-4 right now, it's that important of a play for a limited offense.
Who knew the people who actually ROOT for a player on what is your supposed favorite team rolly fail. Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk
It is more important to give the perception of being right in your proclamations on a fan forum than anything else. When you make bold statements about players which turn out to be blatantly wrong, of course never come back and say you were mistaken.
If anything, the people whom decried the Wallace signing were overly conservative. I don't think anyone predicted how bad his effort would be.
Yep. It has nothing to do with rooting for a player to fail. It was doomed to fail from the beginning because he is such a poor fit for the offense.
Yeah, Philbin is going to want to sign a WR who is a poor fit in his offense. Of course we could believe he totally did NOT want him but Ireland said "Fk you, I'm signing him anyway."
See this my issue, you say if Rt hits Wallace deep more wed be 9-4, may be true, but you act as if this was thesole cause of the loss. It's as if you are ok excusing defense collapses but RT better be perfect
In light of the info that has come out about how Philbin felt about Martin & Cogs, that is not an insane scenario. If its really true, that he wanted them both gone, then its not insane to think Ireland brought in Wallace and Philbin wasn't entirely in favor of it.
The announcers highlighted several plays during the game where defenders ran to Wallace's side at the snap. They even showed Hartline's TD last week where the S ran to provide deep help to Wallace's side. If that doesn't happen then there's almost no way Hartline scores. Yet people here want to keep insisting Wallace has no effect. It's just a ridiculous position.
I have no idea how you come up with that conclusion. This shouright style thread is 32 pages long, and most of it is about the failure of Wallace and Tannehill to connect on deep balls, so of course that's where my focus is as per this thread. To even mention that as sole causes of losses is ridiculous, especially considering the OL play and how the defense has played at times. It's a factor, that's it, and to my mind an important factor if this team is going to improve. Let's not blow it out of proportion, though.
Joe had to say the right things about the Wallace move after it was made. The move was made because the team was in the middle of an attempt to get public funds for a stadium renovation. Mike Wallace was the flashiest free agent on the market. This team was willing to overpay for the flash in an attempt to get the stadium deal done. Considering that the stadium deal flopped, and the fact that Mike has been one of the worst free agent signings ever, I would think there is a lot of buyer's remorse in Miami right now.
The ball Ryan threw to Clay deep vs Pitt was a thing or beauty. So why can't he hit Wallace deep? Some is him but some is wllace some design, you want to ignore this and blame it all on RT, go ahead, doesn't mean its credible
Because you said if RT hits wllace deep we would be 9-4. Or could be, but leave out sign data that makes that statement a stretch.a combination of factors and we could be 9-4
RT is consistently underthrowing Wallace on deep balls, pretty simple stuff. That being said, this thread is about 4 times longer than it really had to be- ghost of shouright. The whole issue is beat at this point, like a drum or rented mule.
