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Mike Wallace being shopped by Miami Dolphins

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by jim1, Feb 25, 2015.

  1. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    The Miami Dolphins are not prepared to cut disgruntled wide receiver Mike Wallace just yet.

    NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported on NFL Total Access on Wednesday that the Dolphins are exploring the trade route based not just on Wallace's play, but also his fit in the locker room.

    Wallace infamously removed himself from the season finale, leading to a shouting match with coach Joe Philbin.

    The incident did not endear Wallace to teammates.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000474176/article/mike-wallace-being-shopped-by-miami-dolphins
     
  2. 77FinFan

    77FinFan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Wow. From the article:

    "Frankly, it's hard to imagine another team giving up anything of value for the rights to Wallace's bloated salary and prima donna attitude."
     
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  3. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    This is significant.

    I think they discussed taking a pay cut, now they are calling teams to shop him. The next step is cutting him and designating him a post June 1st cut.

    Sad but his journey in Miami is ending. I trusted Brandon Marshall to land on his feet at his next destination more than I trust Mike Wallace.
     
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  4. SICK

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    Looks like Wide Receiver is back on the menu in the first round, boys!!!!!!
     
  5. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    sucks really, but hopefully they find someone who can replace him and make the team better. it also sucks that now there is another glaring need that needs to be filled going into next year. it also sucks i bought my 2 year old niece a mike wallace jersey for christmas :(
     
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  6. Anonymous

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    Wouldn't designating him as a post June 1st cut save us 9.9 million that we can begin to use June 2nd? I know we can roll the money forward but cutting him outright now would save 5.5 million and allow you to find a replacement now.
     
  7. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    The draft just got wayyyy more interesting
     
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  8. 77FinFan

    77FinFan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Bummer. :sad:
     
  9. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well I think this makes a WR all but certainly one of our first 2 or 3 draft picks on draft day. Its a deep draft so maybe we get someone that fits in better with our offense and lockerroom. I think we all saw this coming. I figured if we didn't get him to take a pay cut he was gone. The only problem is that if we cut him I would say its a very good chance that New England signs him and he comes back to bite us in the ***. I think New England and Seattle will be very interested in him.
     
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  10. Zounds

    Zounds New Member

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    I think Wallace has value, and there are team where he could fit schematically, and there are coaches that could handle him. I don't think the contract is as big of an issue as people think. Any team could significantly lower his cap hit by restructuring - giving him more years or more guaranteed money, or a combination of both.

    If we do end up cutting him, I am all for taking the cap hit now and not deferring it to 2016 where there could be a regime change and subsequent roster turnover. We should be looking to create as much cap as we can for 2016.

    Either way I am happy the Fins are trying to dump Wallace.
     
  11. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You Club Member

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    I'm so excited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  12. Phoenician Fan

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    Not sure about the numbers but it would seem if he stayed on the roster until he got his 3mil bonus it may be more reasonable for him to accept a new contract with another team after that point.

    If the Dolphins get a high enough draft pick it may worth it to wait and trade him, otherwise they will probably cut him right away and get the max in cap relief.
     
  13. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I think you've got the wrong idea. In the new CBA you're allowed to cut a guy immediately but designate him as a "post-June 1st" casualty, which means you get to take advantage of an accounting accrual device that allows you to shift more of the savings into the present year.

    By cutting Mike Wallace, they save $9.9 million dollars in cold, hard, cash. This is cash on the barrel head they otherwise would have been paying Mike Wallace in 2015. But due to accounting rules, the Dolphins won't save all of that $9.9 million immediately because previous money that you already paid him but have yet to account for will get accelerated. But if you're a post-June 1st casualty, only a little bit of that acceleration happens in the current year and the rest in the following year. That helps you to recognize more of the $9.9 million savings right away in 2015.

    Dolphins would be free to sign whoever they want when the new league year begins (which kicks off free agency) provided they have the cap space. Even if they designate Wallace a post-June 1st casualty, they'll immediately get whatever 2015 cap space they have coming to them from cutting him.
     
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  14. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    The money is a very big deal. Whoever trades for Mike Wallace is obligated to pay him $9.9 million immediately, and a total of $32 million over 3 years. Restructuring a guy doesn't offer relief from what you owe the guy. It does the opposite. It locks you into that deal which is currently worth $32 million over 3 years. To trade for him AND restructure him, you have to be convinced he's worth $10.6 million a year. And Steve Bisciotti literally just got done saying that nobody thinks signing Mike Wallace for $10 million a year was a good deal.

    The best you're going to get is a team with a lot of cap space in 2015 thinking they are willing to pay a late Day 3 pick for one year of Mike Wallace's services at $9.9 million, and then if he does well you can re-visit with him on a new contract. It's possible. The team that does this would probably be one that loves speed receivers, has a quarterback with a very strong arm, and thinks they can compete right away. The Panthers and 49ers come to mind.
     
  15. Zounds

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    I'm very aware of what retructuring does. It almost always involves offering more years and/or guaranteed money in exchange for a lower cap hit. A deal like that isnt out of the question for a new team.
     
  16. ckparrothead

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    A restructuring doesn't involve more years. That's a contract extension. A restructuring involves shifting salary into guaranteed money so that it can be spread out over the years. A pay cut would involve actually subtracting money from the deal. Wallace does not seem up for a pay cut and if you're going to give him an extension then he has the leverage to say that this extension better pay me $10.6 million a year over the next three years because that's what I'm owed, otherwise you're asking me to take a pay cut which I'm not willing to do.

    If he's not going to be able to finish his current contract he would most likely rather be on the open market so that he can have teams bidding on his services, which would get him the best new contract possible. Especially since this free agent market could end up looking pretty sparse, should Demaryius, Dez and Maclin get taken off the market as is expected, and should Torrey Smith and Randall Cobb decide to take deals and remain with their current team. The most likely of all those to make it to market is Cobb and he's a slot receiver, so Wallace would still have leverage as clearly the best perimeter wide receiver on the market.

    I'm not saying no team in the league will trade for him. I'm saying no team in the league is giving up more than a late Day 3 pick or equivalent for him.
     
  17. Brasfin

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    I can definitely see us doubling down on WR this draft as well, possibly with back to back picks. A trade up for Cooper is also in play, as CK suggested recently. Lot's of options here, but if we indeed cut Wallace, we'll almost certainly take more than one receiver in this draft.
     
  18. Coral Reefer

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    Seems like were always having to backtrack and refill a spot from a failed draft pick or FA acquisition doesn't it? Treading water.
    Were so consistent at this point.
    Year after year epic personnel screw ups setting the team back.
    Over and over again. You can almost count on our moves imploding.
    It's amazing and all these years of this stuff has really made me give up on this organization ever climbing to the top again.
    I know they can of course but it would take some solid leadership from the top and a solid GM which we've had neither of for quite a long time.
     
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  19. Colmax

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    I feel your frustrstion. They have tried, though. Gotta give 'em that....

    The next question is: What in the hell are they going to do with Ellerbe?
     
  20. Zounds

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    It can involve more guaranteed years. If Wallace were to be traded, a team could guarantee a portion of his 2016 and 2017 contract years, which are currently not guaranteed, in exchange for a reduced cap hit for 2015 though 2017.
     
  21. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    This is incorrect.

    You're making it seem as if the Dolphins have the ability to lower his cap figures for the remaining life of the contract, as if they can pay him $32 million over the next 3 years one way and only have to expense let's say hypothetically $27 million on the salary cap. This is incorrect. There is no way to do that. Every dollar paid to a player will be accounted for on the salary cap at some point. There is no way to pay a player $32 million but only expense is at $27 million.

    Furthermore if you were to guarantee his 2016 and 2017 salaries, that would not even allow you to prorate those guarantees over the life of the contract. You'd still have $11.5 million salary expenses lined up for 2016 and 2017. The only way you can prorate them over the life of the contract would be if you shifted those salaries into guaranteed bonus money, either signing bonus or option bonus. If signing bonus, you can begin prorating the money now over the span of three years. If option bonus you prorate it from the year it's paid through the ending year of the contract (2017).
     
  22. Colmax

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    I thought it was a d**k move when Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti commented on the Wallace situation the other day. While he is using it as an example, it still was out of line, IMO. Say that kind of thing directly to the player behind closed doors (he was referring to Torrey Smith and the potential cost of re-signing), not at a damned PC.

    He even threw in a Dannelle Ellerbe comment for good measure. Douche......
     
  23. Pauly

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    This news makes me depressed. I'm in no way saying Wallace is worth his contract, but I'd rather get rid of Hartline and draft a WR high this year and then get rid of Wallace next year. If we get rid of Wallace our opponents are going to sitting all over the short and middle routes next year, and it's not like we have proven deep threats anywhere on our roster apart from Wallace or a proven deep ball thrower. Say hello to another 8-8ish year.

    This takes us back to year 1 of Philbin where we ditched players Philbin didn't like and we had to take 2 or 3 years to find their replacements. You can't keep doing that and be successful. At some point you have to get along and work with and be productive with co-workers who you don't personally like.
     
  24. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Totally agree. No way does the idea of cutting him this year make me happy. Cut Hartline. He is by far more overpaid of the two.
     
  25. Alex13

    Alex13 Welcome to the NEW Miami Club Member

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    another jersey will be trash soon, i must have the worst luck ever when it comes to buying dolphins jerseys
     
  26. Fin-Omenal

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    Why? Mike did here what he has done his whole career....put himself in position to make big plays. For whatever reason he hasn't been found on these plays. Actually due to the deep balls's non existence, Mike has became a much better WR than he was when he got here because frankly he had too.

    Unless he goes to a handful of teams that have huge QB issues or Alex Smith, Mike Wallace will certainly be up to his old tricks.
     
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  27. MAFishFan

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    Culpepper. Pennington. Henne. I feel your pain.
     
  28. MAFishFan

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    This doesn't surprise me. His fits, the disconnect with Tannehill and the $. As much as it sucks to lose production, I can see the reasoning behind it. This is now 2 high priced WR's Miami has tinkered with and then dealt. It's time to get their **** together and figure this out. Enough already. And he most certainly is gone. You don't go this far down the road for nothing to happen.
     
  29. djphinfan

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    I agree Max, dude crossed the line with his comment, you don't talk sh(( about another mans money..classless move, and he's got some bad karma comin his way..

    that fu##in raven team is starting to piss me off...they get a lot of stuff swept under the rugs...animal cruelty didn't even get talked about...

    stupid fans giving Rice a standing ovation in a preseason game..are you freakin kidding me..bunch of white trash.
     
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  30. LBsFinest

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    **** Philbin
     
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  31. Tannephins

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    The team that just won the Super Bowl, defeating the league's best defense in the process, was in the same situation. It had no deep threats, and its quarterback threw and completed roughly the same percentage of downfield passes in 2014.
     
  32. jw3102

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    It is fairly obvious that no one is going to trade for him. First off there are few teams with the cap space to take on his salary. Second, other teams realize that they can wait a few months and try to sign him at a reduced cost without giving up anything to get him.

    By getting rid of their best WR, the Dolphins appear to be opening up the same argument people used to make excuses for Tannehill after his first year in the league. That excuse being, he had a lousy group of WR's to throw to.

    Like him or not, Wallace remains the best WR on the roster and because of his speed, he opens up the field for other receivers to get open. It isn't his fault Tannehill can't hit him down field when he is wide open.

    Wallace will probably leave the Dolphins and end up with the Patriots. Where he will end up having a great season and helping the Patriots win another SB after the 2015 season.
     
  33. jw3102

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    The Patriots also had a much better QB, a solid defense, and the best HC in the NFL.
     
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  34. jim1

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    Yeah, but they're the Patriots and we're the Dolphins. It's that simple, and that complex. When you have a QB that good and a coaching staff that can game plan, disguise their approach and identify mismatches as well as they can you can overcome the lack of a long game and still win it all, as they proved. We can't. Wallace is a blunt tool of destruction and pure speed, and we were never able to use him correctly.
     
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  35. Tannephins

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    The post you quoted of mine was in response to this one:
    Do you think any of the variables you mentioned were associated with whether opposing defenses were able to sit on shorter routes?
     
  36. Tannephins

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    And ironically enough, if the team would've performed the way it did downfield in 2012, when Tannehill was a rookie and Mike Wallace wasn't on the team, it would've likely won 10 games and made the playoffs. So, the team actually moves closer to functioning like the Patriots by removing Mike Wallace.
     
  37. Ohio Fanatic

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    Even though I was against cutting Wallace, we need to learn our lesson and not go out and overpay for another FA wide receiver. While you tend to overpay for all FA, if we're going to do it, I'd rather it be a non-skill position, someone in the trenches, whether it's a guard or DT.
     
  38. jim1

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    That's like saying Duckman moves closer to Sherlock Holmes if he starts smoking the same kind of pipe.
     
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  39. Tannephins

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    Well now that you've put it that way, we can toss all the objective evidence out the window. :)
     
  40. Pauly

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    I seem to remeber scrub of a TE, whose name escapes me, making an awful lot of downfield plays for the SB champs. It must have been my imagination though because its only WRs who can beat teams downfield.
     

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