Miami's Next HC - is Mike McDaniel! (4 yr contract)

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

Face it folks, it’s going to be Vance Joseph

Why doesnt this forum have a dislike button lol

"Dorfdad wrote:

So again we fail at getting what we were told was the first choice. We even fired our coach earlier than others to get a leg up. But they act like we’re the gold standard and need to have no urgency. If they wanted daball they should have said we want you and when you get an offer from anyone call me!

This team just keeps screwing up. They now are in settle mode what if McDaniel decided to skip us as well?

We stopped being the gold standard/ideal job ever since Huizhenga sold the team to Ross.

Coaches around the NFL loved interviewing with Huizhenga, and he was able to hire Jimmy away from retirement, Dave was considered one of the top nfl coordinators in the league, Saban was lured in by Huizhenga as well.. parcells was also hired by him.

Granted it didnt come with much success, but we always got the first pick before Ross, when Huizhenga said he would invest or do anything for the success of the Dolphins, he meant it.

Our image and standards have dropped a lot with Ross.

I like McDaniel, but this sounds a lot like the sound the Spin Machine makes when it's firing up.

I really don't like that were going after another OC or DC candidate. While these people sometime excel at those positions being the Headcoach is a much more complex operation. Its a major learning curve and almost no one steps in and is immediately successful. Year one we may be .500 and year two maybe 10-7 - 11-6 depending on the schedule and than what year 3 of we step back is he fired?

I want a solid believer in Flores at first but I can not say he got the best out of what talent he had on both sides of the ball.
Grier handcuffed him and wanted him to fail so he could get the power chair. Now he has it and wants to hire a puppet for his coach and ride out another 4-5 years stealing money.

Hes making football moves that should absolutely be done with a head coach. We have zero idea what this new coach wants the team to be its identity and having Grier make moves like he's designing the team is a horrible recipe for failure and no respecting head coach would accept that gig. So were looking for magic unicorns in a pile of shit.

Dave Hyde says some people around the league think the reason this search is taking so long is because Ross is quietly negotiating with Jim Harbaugh.

So now the Vikings are reportedly interviewing Harbaugh. If its a given he wants back in the NFL WTF are we doing?
Unless something is really going on behind closed doors but I'll believe it when I see it.

Bruh, if harbaugh takes a nfl job without even interviewing with us then ross really is the clown shoes owner I always say he is haha. God I couldn’t actually think of a more embarrassing scenario for him.

"brandon27 wrote:

Everyone still think Brian Flores being fired was a good idea? Still think the Dolphins will land a top coach out of all this?

1. Yes
2. Never expected they would. Was hoping Id be pleasantly surprised by Harbaugh or even Pederson.

One question has nothing to do with the other.

What an embarrasment

"Rouk wrote:

Bruh, if harbaugh takes a nfl job without even interviewing with us then ross really is the clown shoes owner I always say he is haha. God I couldn’t actually think of a more embarrassing scenario for him.

"Rouk wrote:

Bruh, if harbaugh takes a nfl job without even interviewing with us then ross really is the clown shoes owner I always say he is haha. God I couldn’t actually think of a more embarrassing scenario for him.

It certainly would be embarrassing if that happened. If we're to give Ross the benefit of the doubt just maybe there is a master plan in place for Harbaugh to end up here without it looking like it was a done deal long ago

One big problem is that Ross is a sattelite owner. He doesn't even live in Miami. He doesn't have the same pulse of the team that other owners have which leads to the point that Grier should have been the one to have been fired first. It is truly unbelievable that this clown still has a job. Now, we're going to have this goof decide on yet another HC? Crazy. Also, another major problem is if they're trying to force Tua on the next HC. You think a coach is going to want to come to a franchise where he will have to play Josh Allen twice a year and being forced to try to do so with Lil' Tua?????? Are you kidding me? We're are screwed. F Grier and F Ross. This is a complete s--t show.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/01/29/vikings-interview-jim-harbaugh/

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-hyde-dolphins-offseason-20220129-el4emhqj5ffddcpdzmdi3h4o3y-story.html

Summary:

Plan A is that Ross and Grier think they're almost there, they've got a DC, a good defence, Tua, and just need to get a good OC, and they can contend. Why else would they be slow in the hiring process - they don't want a true leader, they want someone who will slot into the overall organisation, buy in and keep moving forward.

or, Plan B, is that Ross has spoken with Harbaugh and will officially speak with him soon. Although that's been explicitly denied twice.

So Miami fired Flores and kept the GM?

Seems like the owner is usually always drunk.

Fins will almost certainly downgrade at HC at this point.

I suspect we will struggle in UFA as well. We'll get one or two top players at likely stupid high prices. I knew when Flores was fired and Grier was retained this was going to happen.

Maybe we'll even get another Minkah Fitzpatrick situation. Speaking of which, looking back all I can say is, smart decision, if you care about competing and not only getting paid. Those are the type of player's we will get, and I'm sure it will be painfully obvious when they hit the field.

I don't understand the negativity (yet...). If we land McDaniel, we're landing the architect/designer/innovator of the best offensive system in the NFL. The system that has spawned success across the NFL. The one everyone wants. Not some guy copy/pasting McDaniel's ideas in their playbooks, but the actual author. His players seem to love him too. Hopefully we'll get to keep some semblance of continuity if it's true the defensive staff will stay on board. It feels like the best of all worlds, IMO. The only thing that could fuck McDaniel up if he's our guy, is San Fran going to SB, delaying his ability to hire the best offensive staff, as they will likely be gone.

If we get McDaniel, firing Flores was the best thing that could of happened.

"Clark Kent wrote:

I don't understand the negativity (yet...). If we land McDaniel, we're landing the architect/designer/innovator of the best offensive system in the NFL. The system that has spawned success across the NFL. The one everyone wants. Not some guy copy/pasting McDaniel's ideas in their playbooks, but the actual author. His players seem to love him too. Hopefully we'll get to keep some semblance of continuity if it's true the defensive staff will stay on board. It feels like the best of all worlds, IMO. The only thing that could **** McDaniel up if he's our guy, is San Fran going to SB, delaying his ability to hire the best offensive staff, as they will likely be gone.

If we get McDaniel, firing Flores was the best thing that could of happened.

You're giving this guy credit over the shanahan's you know the ones that have proven it over the last 50 years in the nfl.

"Clark Kent wrote:

I don't understand the negativity (yet...). If we land McDaniel, we're landing the architect/designer/innovator of the best offensive system in the NFL. The system that has spawned success across the NFL. The one everyone wants. Not some guy copy/pasting McDaniel's ideas in their playbooks, but the actual author. His players seem to love him too. Hopefully we'll get to keep some semblance of continuity if it's true the defensive staff will stay on board. It feels like the best of all worlds, IMO. The only thing that could **** McDaniel up if he's our guy, is San Fran going to SB, delaying his ability to hire the best offensive staff, as they will likely be gone.

If we get McDaniel, firing Flores was the best thing that could of happened.

I think for me, the balance is between looking at the man hired and the organisation above him. I don't necessarily dislike McDaniel or even Kellen Moore. I can see why they're HC candidates and I'd be willing to give them a chance. If there's any negativity on my part it stems from the thought that they'll be set up to fail by Ross and Grier and their inability to provide the right environment and support for whoever gets hired. Why did Flores fail? Was it totally down to him? I just can't see it. Rarely is a 'relationship issue' one sided. Were Flores just the first instance I'd give it a pass, but we've been on a carousel of poor management, and a young HC (if anyone), likely won't have the strength to change things, but rather, be changed. Owner, GM and HC shouldn't be at odds. They might disagree, but they need to respect one another. I don't think that's been the case in Miami. Maybe the new HC gets the freedom and authority he needs to change and implement things, and maybe it works or doesn't. However, at this point it seems more realistic that Ross backs Grier who has a vision for what this team is, and he is looking for a HC who can agree with his vision, and implement it with him, rather than supporting the vision of the HC and providing what that man wants and needs. Maybe that's how it's supposed to work, or maybe HC and GM are supposed to simply believe in the same things and share the same vision. So far, it seems, we've either had coaches who are weak in one area making them incompetent, or we've had coaches with different ideas to the GM.

Can they get it right this time? I have my doubts.

"Rouk wrote:

You're giving this guy credit over the shanahan's you know the ones that have proven it over the last 50 years in the nfl.

And it was the Shanahan's who hired him to be their play designer from the beginning. They have have taken him everywhere to continue to design and evolve their offense. Unless the articles and reporting available are BS, McDaniel is the most influential play designer in the NFL over the last 15 years.

Whether or not that translates to being a good HC? I don't know. At the end of the day, given the success this offensive system has had, his reputation, there's no reason not to gamble on the upside.

"Galant wrote:

I think for me, the balance is between looking at the man hired and the organisation above him. I don't necessarily dislike McDaniel or even Kellen Moore. I can see why they're HC candidates and I'd be willing to give them a chance. If there's any negativity on my part it stems from the thought that they'll be set up to fail by Ross and Grier and their inability to provide the right environment and support for whoever gets hired. Why did Flores fail? Was it totally down to him? I just can't see it. Rarely is a 'relationship issue' one sided.

Not sure I totally agree. There is a clear pattern of behavior from Belichick coaches. Does Belichick actively recruit a "type?" Or is he just so abusive, the victims become victimizers down the road? Both? Flores specifically has had questionable people skills from the beginning, starting with Minkah Fitzpatrick. At least, that was his first public relationship issue. Given the stories coming out and a larger resume of questionable behavior, I'm willing to stick this to Flores.

"Galant wrote:

Were Flores just the first instance I'd give it a pass, but we've been on a carousel of poor management, and a young HC (if anyone), likely won't have the strength to change things, but rather, be changed. Owner, GM and HC shouldn't be at odds. They might disagree, but they need to respect one another. I don't think that's been the case in Miami.

From everything I've heard, Grier is impossible not to get along with. He's not a big ego guy. His job is to facilitate the HC's wants and needs. And he's done just that, by all accounts. It seems the relationship between the two went south when it became clear Flores wanted Watson, despite the looming sexual misconduct legal and civil cases. Once that was off the table, Flores went radio silent on everyone. I understand your macro point and don't really disagree. I do think Flores is/was the biggest problem. Guy went from being fired to hired in a second, to no one wanting him. Word seems to be out on him.

"Galant wrote:

Maybe the new HC gets the freedom and authority he needs to change and implement things, and maybe it works or doesn't. However, at this point it seems more realistic that Ross backs Grier who has a vision for what this team is, and he is looking for a HC who can agree with his vision, and implement it with him, rather than supporting the vision of the HC and providing what that man wants and needs. Maybe that's how it's supposed to work, or maybe HC and GM are supposed to simply believe in the same things and share the same vision. So far, it seems, we've either had coaches who are weak in one area making them incompetent, or we've had coaches with different ideas to the GM.

This is what I don't understand. What, outside of QB/Watson, didn't Grier give to Flores? Flores wanted to trade Tunsil. Flores basically forced Minkah out. Flores got all the players he wanted from FA, only to get rid of them a year later, wasting our cap room and fucking up the rebuild. Flores wanted Noah Igbinoghene, despite having 2 CB with massive deals, wasting a first round pick. Flores was literally given everything he wanted, except Watson. There is no other reporting that suggests differently. Grier gets what the HC wants. He's the middleman negotiating. And he is very good at that, I'll add.

The issue is Watson. If Flo doesn't believe in Tua, and Miami has the resources to get a legit franchise QB, then I understand why he's upset. It's his career that is on the line. His desperation to make up for all of his failures on offense, by giving up the farm for a QB likely facing an unprecedented suspension (IMO), along with a pattern of asshole behavior, is not on Grier. That's why CG still here and Flores isn't.

"Galant wrote:

Can they get it right this time? I have my doubts.

Yeah, we fuck everything up. I'm dreading the future Vance Joseph announcement.

"Clark Kent wrote:

And it was the Shanahan's who hired him to be their play designer from the beginning. They have have taken him everywhere to continue to design and evolve their offense. Unless the articles and reporting available are BS, McDaniel is the most influential play designer in the NFL over the last 15 years.

Whether or not that translates to being a good HC? I don't know. At the end of the day, given the success this offensive system has had, his reputation, there's no reason not to gamble on the upside.

We will see really fast if McDaniels is some offensive guru or if he was just a seat warmer like joe Philbin was in Green Bay or Adam Gase in Denver.

i have doubts that McDaniels has much say of whats called with Shanahan on board

How come nobody is talking about Jim Harbaugh interviewing with Vikings!