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Miami's Cap Position - article

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dolfan22, Sep 2, 2012.

  1. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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  2. Fin-Omenal

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    He has numerous valid points in that article.
     
  3. dolfan22

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    That the points are valid isn't a positive unfortunately.
     
  4. Fin-Omenal

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    No, that's why we are a bad football team at the moment.

    My goals have changed for this team

    1. Tannehill develops (obvious one)
    2. Someone Anyone steps up at WR besides Bess.
    3. Young defensive players step up because they're are some veterans on the way out.
    4. Team who isn't afraid to take shots, "grinding" wins is not a recipe for success...once your in the playoffs your exposed.(sound familiar)
    5. Big Jake regain his form, unless he is real bad he will be franchised at the very least in 2013.
    6. Either Clay or Egnew step up and give us those desired mismatches.
     
  5. CaribPhin

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    What Bart Scott production?
     
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  6. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    "Can't wait!"
     
  7. Ludacris

    Ludacris Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think Long gets franchised next year. The frachise tag for an OL is $9.4M. Unfortunately for LTs they get lumped in with the Cs and OGs. Long makes $11.2M this year. Ireland, who's very stingy will like to save that roughly $2M difference.

    $14M in dead money is a lot. It's probably why they can't sign more veteran free agents. I'm not sure but I think the dead money clears for 2013 which I hope makes things looks better cap wise ($40M cap space according to that write up).
     
  8. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    There is $5M available right now. Jones and Jennings don't make that kind of money and not one GB player has been targeted so far. I still think one of them is in play.
     
  9. Unlucky 13

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    The tag gives the player X dollars OR a raise. It cannot be used to lower his previous salary. I think that because Long already makes more than the tag number, he would then get 15% more than this season.
     
  10. Boik14

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    Hmmm even a Jet fan can figure out why we are a struggling franchise.... :(
     
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  11. CaribPhin

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    The funny thing is, Dansby has been in the league for 2 less years than Scott and has almost 100 combined tackles more with 115 more solo tackles, 8 more sacks, 7 more interceptions, 10 more pass defenses, etc. Career wise, he has been much better. First two years on new teams, Scott to NYJ and Dansby to MIA, Dansby had 31 more combined tackles with 53 more solo tackles, 3 more sacks, 1 more INT, 2 more forced fumbles, etc.

    Is this guy serious with that?
     
  12. Fin-Omenal

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    Dansbys best years were in Arizona though.
     
  13. Fin D

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    Why is this article or its author considered to be right about anything again?
     
  14. Boik14

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    Because there is very little in there factually incorrect? Why is the author considered to be incorrect about anything again?
     
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  15. Fin-Omenal

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    Raises hand...

    Because it is honesty and exposes Ireland for numerous bad moves.
     
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  16. Fin D

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    Lol.

    Yesterday I'm told our coach is horrible communicator and should be more like Jets coach Rex Ryan. Today i'm told a Jet fan has our franchise all figured out and knows more than Ireland & Philbin combined.

    So I got to ask, how will be told the Jets are right tomorrow?

    We have a **** ton of picks and a ridiculous amount of cap room next year all while this year we may have gotten our QB of the future, the coach and probably solidified the oline. Before all that happened, people were predicting gloom and doom and they still are. That leads to me to believe the moves we make are irrelevant in their eyes...they will always see doom and gloom.
     
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  17. Ludacris

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    Ok, I just looked it up and it's actually 20% more. So that means, if franchised, Long gets $13.44M next year.

    Joe thomas last year signed a $12M a year for 7 years. So now I'm wondering what the heck is Ireland waiting for. It could only mean that he wants to see how Long goes in the middle of this season health wise before extending him? Would there be any other reason?
     
  18. Anonymous

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    That article had some very stupid points.
     
  19. Ludacris

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    I thought that too but I wasn't sure if Ross wants to be tight with his money now or not.
     
  20. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    And....?
     
  21. rafael

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    My impression was almost exactly the opposite.
     
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  22. Fin-Omenal

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    And....he got a contract that he has not lived up too, thus the comment Karlos was a bad move.
     
  23. Fin-Omenal

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    I think if you broke it down statement for statement you would find more that make sense than don't. Personally I have no desire to break it down because some Dolphins fans actually feel like Dansby is worth top 3 money...and if they can't swallow THAT pill there is zero point in discussing actual borderline topics.
     
  24. CaribPhin

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    Your dislike for Dansby is well documented. The writer said Dansby did not give us Bart Scott production yet Dansby has significantly outperformed Bart Scott. Dansby has been one of the top LBers in the NFL with the Dolphins. I have yet to see you retract any statement regarding Dansby regardless of what evidence has been provided to the contrary.
     
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  25. Stringer Bell

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    Im not sure I understand what the authors criticism is here? That Miami has a high cap number because it's refused to restructure contracts and kick the can down the road?
     
  26. Boik14

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    That we have very little salary cap space now (spend a lot of money) and still have a terrible roster beyond a handful of players?
     
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  27. Fin D

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    Yet we'll have ridiculous space next year.....
     
  28. Vinny Fins

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    Lotta deadspace this year
     
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  29. 2socks

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    He is gonna trade Him?

     
  30. Fin-Omenal

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    See that's where your wrong.

    I do not dislike Dansby as a player, I dislike the ridiculous contract he was given. I never have said he wasn't a solid starter...but so is Incognito diffeference is he isn't eating up a ton of cap space.

    So I'll say it one more time in the most simplistic way I can....Dansby is a solid LB, but he is ridiculously overpaid. If you'd like to argue he is worth top $$ then type away I like the entertainment. As far as Bart Scott goes, I do disagree Karlos has been worse. But Scott is another huge example of a LB who was solid but got a ridiculous contract.

    Fast foward to this up moving offseason and Dansby IMO won't be on this roster anyways unless he restructures wich would shock me personally.
     
  31. rafael

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    I disagree. The writer focused on the failure to re-sign Long first. The problem is that the team would realize very little if any cap savings from re-signing Long. Then after some rambling about Philbin and speculation about what we'll do with Moore or Garrard, he moved on to Dansby, but was again factually incorrect when he compared him to Bart Scott as Dansby has out-performed Scott. He complained about Bush making too much and then talked about a couple of moves he considered "poor cap management" before admitting that the net effect of that was nothing. The only factual statement I agreed with was that there is a lot of dead cap, but I haven't compared that to other teams so I can't say if it's a lot relative to other teams. And since the author didn't provide that information, I'm guessing he doesn't know either.
     
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  32. Boik14

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    Yes but it depends what you do with it. Based on what we've seen its not a stretch to say we wil have a high pick next year and thats going to take some space. Resigning Jake, looking at extensions for Bess and possibly Bush...where is that money going to be allocated and do you trust the guy doing the job now. I dont.
     
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    Because he thinks Jonathon Martin is the future LT of this football team??? :huh1:
     
  34. Fin-Omenal

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    I see no way Ireland is retained outside of major contributions by any rookie not named Tannehill.
     
  35. mommabilly

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    They are not re-signing Jake Long to a long term contract until Jake Long can show he still plays at a high level. His performance in pre season did not show that as of yet. Not saying he will ever play at a high level again but I am saying Jake is not playing like the Jake people have in their minds.

    I do think if he shows he can play they will franchise him in 2013. I agree on the Solai franchise as stupidity and same for Dansby. Outside of Wake we have zero pass rush, still.
     
  36. Fin D

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    We have no cap space that equals bad. We'll have ludicrous cap space next year and that equals bad.

    No wonder Ireland is always wrong, there's literally nothing he can do that some will consider right.
     
  37. My take on what he was saying is that we lack a good grasp on how to effectivily manage our cap space. He used a series of exspensive transactions to show how we put a lot of money on the books with very little talent on the field. Also a good chunk of that money is for players that are not even with us anymore. $40 mil in cap space sounds nice next year but even that isnt that great unless it is all put to good use. Rather then being forced to take a big hit this year if we had managed it better we could afford to do more this year to build a solid team. He is saying we should be adding talent and locking up current talent every year.
     
  38. Boik14

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    See the scary thing is, I can see them being willing to let Ireland clean up his own mess. Keep in mind Detroit didnt fire Matt Millen right away...it took years of ineptness. Owners may have billions but that doesnt mean they know squat about football. :no:

    See as bad as the perception is about Jake Long slipping last year its just not entirely accurate. He still ranked in the upper tier of LT's in the game last year giving up only 5 sacks, 6 hits and 15 pressures in 801 snaps. And that was with a QB's that held the ball forever.

    The real question isnt whether Long is still an upper tier LT, he is. The question here is whether committing big money to a great LT is an intelligent way to build a football team in this day and age? And its a question Im pretty torn on because 1) I really like Jake Long. Every team needs warriors like him. Guy leaves it on the field and doesnt back down. 2) We have so many holes is it wise to commit huge money to any one player over a long term deal. And 3) What if we could trade Long at the trade deadline and command a 1st round pick plus from a contending team? Doesnt that go further towards the rebuild then committing big money to a great player whose body may not make it more then another 2-3 years?
     
  39. Stitches

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    It'd be at most $5M/year. That's really not taking that much space.

    Sean Smith and Jake Long are our biggest upcoming FAs I believe. Long would cost $10M/per and Sean Smith (if he plays real well this year) should be no more than $8M/yr. Even with a #1 pick, Long, and Smith, we'd still have room to make a big signing or two (like Bowe for example).
     
  40. Stitches

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    Yea, but as bad as people want to think Ireland is, he's not Matt Millen. Lions had 31 wins under Millen in 7 and like one quarter years. Ireland has that in 4.
     

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