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Miami's 2019 Coordinators and Coaches - EDIT - MckEnzie Added

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  1. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    It looks pretty good on paper so far. My worry is that so many of them come from one place, New England. That's not surprising given that Flores has spent his entire career there, but its still a risk. I want the team to create their own identity, and not try to replicate what they have up there.
     
  2. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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    I'd be curious to see some data on it, but I suspect that's the case for most coaches. They'll bring in people they know.

    At the end of the day, things will naturally be different. Part of being a good coach is knowing or figuring out what will work and implementing that - being able to lead. If Flores or any of his staff were just followers, guys who benefited from the established environment and unable to lead, it will become clear - wherever they're from.
     
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  3. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Not all of them only have experience in NE though. Many have worked various places in their careers around the NFL.
     
  4. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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    Bad link.
     
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  5. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    Hmm what did that tweet say? It’s been deleted
     
  6. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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  8. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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  9. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    That's terrific with McKenzie! I suggested back when he didn't get a GM gig that we should see if we could get him as a consultant. Let him help the team in 2019 as they lay the foundation, and then try to get back into running someone's front office next season. If he can't get a top job or doesn't want to, then he sticks around and helps us too.

    I really, really like the idea of the younger men in positions of authority on the team having older guys who have been there and done that to lend a veteran opinion.
     
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  10. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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  11. Itsdahumidity

    Itsdahumidity X gonna take it from ya

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    This is an outstanding get for us. I see you Chris Grier.
     
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  12. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets

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    It's the piece of the McVey phenomena most people are missing. Wade Phillips is the puppetmaster of that team and did not get anything like the credit he should have for that teams success.
    Crazy innovative offense with a solid safety net Defense to bail you out doesn't suck as a plan if you ask me.
     
  13. Surfs Up 99

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    When he was interviewed recently, I like that Caldwell said it will be Flores who sets the tone for the team, etc.. Caldwell seems very humble and has come with a , "I am here to serve" mentality. He doesn't seem like he is trying to be "the man" and steal Flores's HC job away. I hope McKenzie is the same way with Grier.
     
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  14. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    One thing I really like about the hires is the high percentage of black coaches and managers hired. Personally I think identity politics, intersectionality and all that P.C. and affirmative action BS that goes with it is a cancer on society.
    The reason I like it is
    - interviews are notorious for not finding the best candidate, but for finding PLU (People Like Us).
    - perception of whether someone is PLU depends a lot more on cultural background and communication style than outward differences.
    - it’s obvious in the NFL that the dominant culture in the upper echelons is suburban middle class (maybe biased to upper-middle but lower-middle is well represented).

    Which means that people from urban backgrounds are being passed over in favor of people with suburban backgrounds. Therefore the talent pool for people from urban backgrounds is going to have a higher percentage of available talent in it
     
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  15. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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  16. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    I always thought all teams did this. It's important to know where your help is, what they are doing and where they will be doing in different situations.
     
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  17. Fin D

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    I think all teams attempt to do this. Ultimately, however, it depends on the individual player. If they are being difficult, and just simply not doing that, then you have to at least get them to learn their position, until you can find a similar or better skill player who will do what is required.

    I think people have an unrealistic view of what a professional football team is like behind the scenes. I think they believe the players are all professionals who look up to their coaches and veterans and they all have a single focus. When they get down, the coach gives a stirring Hollywood style speech and fires them up!

    I think people think this way, because of movies/tv and because their own experience playing on non professional teams growing up. But those experiences are no more indicative of behind the scenes of the professional game, then high school is indicative of what a professional office setting is like.

    These players are physically large alpha-male millionaires. They aren't waiting around hoping their coach gives them inspiration.
     
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  18. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I've re-read this like three times and I'm no closer to understanding it- it's good that the Dolphins hired minority candidates, but but you're hostile towards any of the mechanisms for understanding or promoting the hiring of these candidates on a more holistic level is because... the real discrimination is urban vs. suburban? Is that a code for being minority? Because most of these guys that have been hired aren't from urban backgrounds- Brian Flores, sure, but Chris Grier? Jim Caldwell? No.
     
  19. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    I thought the same thing, but didn't post about it, because I often misunderstand people's posts and I thought it might just be a me problem.
     
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  20. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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  21. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree I drink your milkshake! Club Member

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    I just assumed he was drunk
     
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  22. Pauly

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    What I’m saying is that whenever group [X] is under represented below what the talent/interest/required skill set levels are then recruiting from group [X] is a good thing.

    What I’m opposed to is increased hiring from group [X] when group [X] has a lower level of talent/interest/required skill set than group [Y] simply because “equality”.

    For example when I worked in insurance I did a lot with getting people with permanent disability back into the workforce. Within time one of my contacts would always come to me first whenever he had a vacancy in his company, because he had found that by giving these people an opportunity that other employers wouldn’t he was getting super loyal and super dedicated employees.
    Another example is we had a candidate for a lawyer’s position the applicant was top 3 of her class from a major university, the type of candidate that the big firms normally hire before graduation. But 6 months after graduation she had no job. The reason - she was totally blind and the law firms thought that reading was a pre-requisite to be a lawyer. In the interview she explained her work around, I contacted her professor who told me her marks were genuine, not inflated on account of her disability, so we hired her. Again she became a super loyal and super dedicated employee.

    When a pool of candidates is passed over for reasons not to do with their ability that pool become more talent rich than other pools. When a pool of candidates is taken from at rate higher than their ability suggests that pool of candidates gets depleted quickly.

    People with similar backgrounds favor people from similar backgrounds. I’ve seen Harvard alumni favor Harvard graduates. I’ve seen Ex-military favor former soldiers. In hiring interviews where political views are not explicitly mentioned Democrats consistently favor Democrat candidates and Republicans consistently favor Republican candidates.
     
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  23. cbrad

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    This isn't true in general.

    For example, suppose 10% of group A has a desired trait while only 1% of group B has it. You decide to only pick from group A and ignore B. If the sizes of A and B are far larger than than the number of people you pick (as is the case with the NFL selecting only a tiny fraction of the available talent), then you can keep picking from group A as long as you want and you'll barely make a dent in the percent of A that has the desired trait, meaning group A remains more "talent rich" even if you always pick from it.

    Too many factors that make your statement not true in general: the baseline rates, the size of the population, the rate of depletion, the rate of replacement, etc... And that applies in this specific case too. You need direct evidence that the talent pool for people from urban backgrounds is higher. Can't just infer that from the rate at which one group is picked over the other.
     
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  24. Pauly

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    That’s true, I am assuming that talent level (plus ambition plus blah blah blah) are roughly similar between different backgrounds entering the NFL coaching arena. My comments are based explicitly on the assumption that talent levels within the pools is roughly equivalent. An example where the talent levels would be different would be NFL coaches -v- College coaches.

    I assume that we are more likely to find our next great HC from the defensive side of the ball because teams have been looking for the next offensive wunderkind

    But we can observe that interest in the NFL varies between different population groups. Interest from Texans for example is higher than interest from people from Maine. Interest from African Americans appears to be higher than interest from Asian Americans.
     
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  25. Disgustipate

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    Yes, and I think it's genuinely bizarre and more than a little bit demented to suggest this is a good thing, especially while pointedly excluding any consideration of the moral elements at play here and the need to correct them.

    It's not a good thing that a perceptive organization can take advantage of inefficiencies that the hiring marketplace simply by not discriminating against a group of qualified individuals. It is also most certainly not a good thing that the organization in question will then be able to benefit from the precarious situation that those employees find themselves in that has resulted in them being "super loyal" and "super dedicated".

    The takeaway of this situation should likewise not be that it's super cool that the Dolphins were able to hire a bunch of highly qualified minority coaches and executives because the NFL as a whole is unwilling to employ them to the level of their merit. It's actually dog ****, and the idea that trying to fix those underlying issues is bad is also similarly dog ****.
     
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  26. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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  27. The_Dark_Knight

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    In the military, a soldier has to not only know his job, but the jobs of the man above him and the men below him. To me, this stance on defense (and for offense as well) makes perfect sense and I would have assumed it was already a common practice.
     
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    I have a crazy idea. Hire and promote the very best. Reward hard work and sacrifice. Pick the best, not the candidate who checks a certain ethnic/sex/religious box on a list assembled by people who don't care if your endeavour fails.

    I didn't know or care about the ethnicity our newly promoted GM or head coach. I didn't give it a second of thought. I want the Dolphins to succeed. That is all.
     
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  29. Fin D

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    How do you know who is the best of a group has been summarily ignored for decades?
     
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  30. Galant

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    I agree.

    Overspecialization doesn't seem to be working as well as many seem to want. Receivers still need to know how to block, running backs need to be able to receive, wide receivers, slot receivers and all the other kind of receivers you want to give a special identity to are in the end, just ends with limited assignments.

    It appears to me that there is a trend where these specialized ends are used running other routes to fool the secondary's. Does this mean we are starting to move back to having just right ends and left ends?
     
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  32. Galant

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  34. Finatik

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    SO Cal
    That.
     
  35. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I like that idea in an idealized world.
     
  36. Unlucky 13

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    Yeah, sadly it quite often happens that the most talented and gifted people in any field, including football players, are absolutely not the people who care most about it, or will put in the most time and effort. If you were to make a Venn Diagram of the people who were the most gifted in one bubble, and the people who are most interested and willing to dedicate themselves to the craft in the other, the overlap is a tiny sliver in the middle. And from there, you find players like Jerry Rice, Peyton Manning, Bruce Smith, ect.
     
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    Funny Venn diagrams. Here's one that fits me. :-)

    venn-diagrams-that-are-honest-and-hilarious-13.jpg
     
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    I think you're right in that motivation mostly comes from within the players themselves. Some are just motivated to be great regardless of the circumstances around them.

    Another part of it though, IMO, comes from the belief that the coaching staff is putting the players in the best position to succeed.

    That's how you get super motivated and hard working players in NE. They just know that the coaches are going to come up with the absolute best way for the team to succeed, and so they get hyped up to work and follow the orders given.

    On the other hand, if the coaches can't demonstrate that their way of doing things is working, the players will quickly lose respect, motivation and eventually just stop following directions. That's how you get guys freelancing on the field... they don't buy what the coaches sell anymore and end up doing things on their own.

    It ends up being a feedback loop where:
    the team isn't winning games -> some players stop respecting the coaching staff -> these players don't feel motivated to work hard/listen to coaches -> team gets worse -> more players lose the respect of the coaching staff -> so on and so forth.

    This is one of the reasons I don't buy the full tank strategy. Once you get guys used to losing, it's hard to revert that. I do think we'll end up having a subpar season by way of personnel decisions (bad starting QB, etc), but we won't purposely lose games or anything of that nature.

    Quite the opposite, Flores and the coaching staff are going to want to win as many games as possible with the talent they are given. But I digress...
     
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    I would also say that the coaching staff have a responsibility to provide the direction of the player’s motivation and effort. If we take Jarvis Landry for example he is a quite motivated individual, but he seems to have put his extra effort into individual skills [making circus catches] rather than skills that benefit the team [running crisp precise routes].
     
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