Miami Not Interested In Bidding Wars In Free Agency

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  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well, a "neon lights" player is not particularly needed, what we do need is far better Quality in the FA's we do sign, they miss far to often on the guys they do sign.

    And I'd cut Ireland lose on the UDFA market after the draft, the Broncos outhustled us last season and that sort of torques me a bit, along with taking too many developmental players like Turner, White and Nalbone.
     
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  2. NaboCane

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    Jettisoning Joey Porter alone would save us $7M next year - real money, not cap. Cap, about $10M, if there is one.

    That pays for one top guy each at WR and TE.

    Besides, if it really does turn into an uncapped year and Dallas wins the Super Bowl, Jerry Jones will make the Cowboys the Yankees of the NFL. In relation to them, we'll be pikers.
     
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  3. Anonymous

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    This is what I took it as. Just because they aren't going to spend money like Washington doesn't mean we shouldn't expect Karlos Dansby type acquisition.

    I'm confident this FO will address major needs in FA.
     
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  4. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    No, not even Jerruh can circumvent the new FA rules in the uncapped year:

     
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  5. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    I agree that you have to make the right choices. I disagree that this regime has not adhered to this policy. In today's NFL market, signing players for $20-30 million contracts is not throwing a bunch of money into free agency. Jake Grove, Gibril Wilson, Randy Starks, and Justin Smiley all signed contracts in that range. What this article, and what I'm talking about quite frankly is the idea that we absolutely have to pursue a free agent like Brandon Marshall, which would cost us money and draft picks. Brandon Marshall is going to ask for what Grove/Wilson/Starks/Smiley got in guaranteed money alone. You are looking at paying Brandon Marshall probably at least $60 million with almost half of that guaranteed. That's what I think about when I hear talk about throwing big money at free agents.
     
  6. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    1 a season is too often? Who did they "miss" on besides Green and Wilford.

    If they missed on anyone else, for the most part I'd say you had unrealistic expectations.
     
  7. VanDolPhan

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    Question that no one I have seen brought up. Since FA will be VERY restricted this year do you think this offseason becomes more like Baseball. Where trading ramps up since teams will be holding a lot of FA's off the market but still want to upgrade? I could see this being the year of player for player swaps.
     
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  8. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    No, since Pittsburgh did it, it means that there is more than one way to do it, and that it doesn't mean they are not serious.
     
  9. padre31

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    Lehan
    McCown
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  10. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Pittsburgh did it that way because Rooney is a cheapskate and wouldn't pay for high-dollar FAs, not because of some strategy. And it took Cowher YEARS of drafting to get it to a SB level.
    But again, the issue I have with the statement is that it's going to convince the agents of high-dollar free agents not to even bother with the Dolphins.
     
  11. Stitches

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    They turned McCown into a 7th rd draft pick.

    When did this FO sign Michael Lehan? Even if they did, how is a minimal contract ever a miss? It's like blasting a team because their 6th rd pick didn't make it through camp.


    If Wilson was a miss, so was Bell because he absolutely got torched by TEs all year.
     
  12. padre31

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    There will be a market in FA's who are not tendered they become FA's.

    As well as the removal of the Cap means expensive Vets will be cut, imho Roscoe Parrish and Chad Johnson are prime targets to be cut loose due to contract cost cutting, there will be other ones as well.
     
  13. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    if we keep Bell then I agree about Wilson. If we let Bell go then Wilson is a solid SS. He just sucks as a FS
     
  14. padre31

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    Which became...no one, that was the pick that was traded to KC.

    Yep, they did, not sure why but they have a taste for lower grade Vet Cb's.

    They signed them both, Wilson though they did not inherit, they choose him.
     
  15. padre31

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    Bell is twice as fast as Wilson and better ballhawk.
     
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  16. Stitches

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    They chose Bell too because he was a FA. Like I said, if they missed on Wilson after on year, they missed on Bell too.

    I still don't see how anyone other than really Wilford could be called a miss at this point. Lehan and McCown cost next to nothing. Green barely cost anything as well in the grand scheme of things. Like I said you are pretty much being unrealistic in regards to saying this FO has "missed" too much.
     
  17. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Yeah but he's older and may be released due to his contract. they may have known they were going to get rid of him and figured they would draft Clemons and try to stopgap the FS position for a year with Wilson. Not ssaying they did but it could have been a hedge
     
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  18. emocomputerjock

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    Throw Chris Crocker on the fail pile as well.
     
  19. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    At least you're used to making kids cry... :shifty:
     
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  20. Stitches

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    That couldn't be further from the truth. Talk about exaggeration.
     
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  21. NaboCane

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    Adam, seriously...you're talking about the same Gibril Wilson who can't tackle?

    The guy who played pattycake with a TE for 27 yards down the field because he couldn't just wrap up already?

    I'm tickled to read these opinions that Wilson = Bell, just because we didn't have a true FS starting this season; is switching positions going to make Wilson a better tackler?

    Because it doesn't matter what position he's playing, Wilson's problem this year wasn't mostly being in position to make tackles - it was making tackles once he was in position.

    Bell is a guy who saved a couple TDs this season running down plays; he's a guy who is always around the ball; he blitzes well when asked, he does a lot of things right...and here people are ready to toss him aside in favor of a guy who can't make a tackle when we need one?

    Amazing.
     
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  22. padre31

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    Or, instead of messing around with Green and Wilson, they could have had Sharper for a bargain.


    How many games have Grove and Smiley missed? What sort of season did Channing Crowder have? Reggie Torbor?

    Someone in the FO is simply bad at free agency.
     
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  23. emocomputerjock

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    Wilsons 13 INTs to Bells 3 beg to differ.
     
  24. Anonymous

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    Faster, yes. Ballhawk, hell no. That's the last thing Bell will ever be.
     
  25. 2socks

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    may be awhile:up:
     
  26. Stitches

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    OK. You're right. Bell and Starks are the only good FAs we've ever signed in the past two years. You should totally submit your resume to the FO.
     
  27. padre31

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    That drop of a sure int against the Steelers would like to discuss it.

    Bell was not a starter until later in his career, Wilson has been a starter for 6 yrs, Bell maybe 4, and he missed a year with an achilles.
     
  28. NaboCane

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    Why would you be derisive to a fellow member when we're all just discussing our team - on equal footing, as fans?
     
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  29. padre31

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    Why, they wouldn't let me sign who I wished to sign.

    Where they are good at FA is with oddball players, like Polite and Wake, when they sign a "vet' from another team they have ballsed it up well over half the time.
     
  30. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    I agree with your take on Big money + draft picks...........don't like that at all

    But as far as WR goes.....you're not just paying for the player, you're paying for not having to take the risk on a bust and not having to spend possibly 3 years plus for him to develop.

    Sometimes if you want that much needed piece to make it all go.....you just have to pay the price.

    As far as spending money on bargain basement deals, or 2nd tier guys.....you mostly get what you pay for and if you are having to replace/upgrade them almost immediately, then you just wasted that money.
     
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  31. emocomputerjock

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    Bell has dropped plenty like that as well. Still stands that Wilson does have a hand in more turnovers than Bell.
     
  32. Anonymous

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    He misses tackles, but over the course of his career, he has been a much better SS than Bell.
     
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  33. Anonymous

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    That was one drop. Bell had many drops last season, and no one complained.

    Seriously, career numbers say it all. 13 to 3. It isn't even close.
     
  34. NaboCane

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    This.

    Eric Green was so bad that they ate his signing bonus to release him before he even played a game for us!!!
     
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  35. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    Don't act like this was from out of left field.......it's not like Austin was unknown to our FO. They considered it and didn't pull the trigger. Which was a mistake...
     
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  36. Stitches

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    Because it's not equal footing. He'd obviously do a better job than the FO, why shouldn't he submit his resume?
     
  37. Anonymous

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    Starks, Smiley, Grove, Pennington, Polite. Solid players here in FA. They do make mistakes, but everyone does.
     
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  38. Anonymous

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    When was he considered by us?
     
  39. padre31

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    Yep, Pat Turner may one day be a NFL caliber starting Wr, but that is no guarantee.

    I would say it is not just money, it is the time that is wasted, I'd rather have some UDFA Cb out there competing then a below average vet taking time and reps who even if they make the team, they will not be very good.

    To me, that opportunity cost is just as important as the money.

    "What if" Chris Clemons had started all season at FS instead of Wilson?

    We would have a much clearer picture of what we needed, instead Wilson started the majority of the season and we have to start over at Square #1.
     
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  40. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    We've been able to watch the season by season improvement of Bell. Wilson has never been anything special.........altho this year there were games where he could have qualified for the special olympics
     
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