Vernon provides depth. If you have Wake, Jones, and Jones starting you have plenty of room for Vernon. Odrick is replacing McDaniel and taking pressure off of Soliai/Starks.
Im a big fan of trading down into the mid 20s, pick up a 3rd and some change, or maybe a 2nd rounder next year. We will still have several guys to chose from, Allen, Austin, Trufant, Eifert, Mingo, Fluker, Watson etc a couple of them will still be on the board.
That's a good point if that's the D we are truly moving to. I simply had him favored to go ahead of Trufant (as many others do); and that Trufant is expected to be available further down in the draft (but that is not written in stone, of course). Trufant appears to be a better fit if the D is more of a zone / quarters.
If Miami trades their two 2nds to move up in the draft they'll be right around 20-22 which is perfect to keep Jones from going to Seattle.
This thing about Rhodes not being able to play zone ranks amongst the most rediculous things I ever heard. Look, if you cant play man, you cant play corner--end of story. If you have trouble playing zone, you simply have not put enough time in the film room studying. You gotta study more.
Sean Smith is a much better man CB than a zone CB. Nmandi is the same way. Actually there are tons of players like that. It's ridiculous to claim that there aren't CBs who are good at one skill and not the other.
Someone else mentioned Keenan Allen earlier as a candidate for Miami. In a trade down I'd agree. He has much of what Miami likes in their WRs, 6-0 size, 4.5 speed at least, toughness, strength, and RAC ability. He's played heavily in the slot and would be a major mismatch in the slot. No reason to think he's not in play for a trade down say into the 20-25 range.
IMO that's spending 3 valuable picks to barely upgrade 2 players that we spend a 1st & 2nd on and aren't our current biggest problems by a long stretch. That's counterproductive IMO.
Keenan Allen still has to run. I know that the tape will be the main factor. But, I think teams will be a bit skeptical if he can't run. That will drop his draft stock a bit. He could fall into the top of the 2nd round.
I don't think anyone is denying he can't play zone, just that he's far better suited to another coverage which, having watched every snap of his as a junior and significant tape as a sophomore, is obvious. It seems a little redundant to try and shoehorn someone into a system that doesn't suit them.
Misi isn't a liability in base D, so IMO it's overkill to spend a 1st on Jones when the upgrade he'd provide would be rushing the passer in nickel. If that's the case I'd rather save the 1st and use a later pick on a situational pass rusher with some upside like his teammate Cornellius Washington who might actually develop into a better NFL pass rusher than Jones. Not sure why you're moving Odrick when he fits that 3-4/4-3 hybrid type end role we have him playing in, especially if he drops some weight like he alluded. I think it's a bad move to use 2 2nd round picks on Jones who might have a tough time beating out Odrick. IMO it's much smarter to use those 2nd rounders on guys who will fill future needs in order to help get our cap down. IE: a guard so we don't have to re-sign Incognito; CB, since there's a bigger need there than trying to upgrade Odrick; a FS to replace Clemons in 2014 so we don't have to dish out $ to one in FA next year; a DT so we can afford to not re-sign Soliai or Starks. Stuff like that.
I doubt they're planning it only based off of FA. Lamar Miller was a talent they saw so they went for him and they said goodbye to Bush, but aside from that I think they're going to go on a BPA streak.
There is something about his size/movement that's rare..I've stated that his prescense is downright intimidating, his body and strength are elite in this draft.. I'm not interested in def end and or hybrid player at 12 unless their names are Dion Jordan or Sheldon Richardson....but Datone jones is a grown *** man.
They've already established that they are not afraid of being counterproductive when they blew up a linebacker corpse many where content with. Why not upgrade the two positions we are getting close to nothing from in pass rushing.
There are corners in the market who are young and who I would take over a Sean smith in a heart beat..Tracy porter being one.. Not sure why were not making a move unless these guys think that Marshall and Patterson can get it done..
Sheldon Richardson can't be ignored either. The position Odrick plays isn't far from a 3-4 DE in one-gap scheme and no one has opposed drafting Richardson as a 3-4 DE. He's a heck of a player and an athlete. 6-4 295 lbs with some edge speed. Parcells would have a baby over that. I don't think even think he's in that great shape yet.
I would take him over Floyd, but I believe I've been in the minority on that for a while..I just absolutely love his game, have him as a blue chip prospect in this draft..Top 10 player..
Ya I understand need but the guy could be a special player, you don't want to miss out on that and Miami was one of five teams showing heavy interest. The Seahawks and Chiefs are thrown out meaning: - Oakland (too high) - Jacksonville (too high) - Miami Oh ****, I think we just found the pick.
Sheldon Richardson. Best planet theory player in the draft and they've shown significant interest in him. Fills a need at 3-4 DE so that you can kick Odrick inside.
Jarvis Jones I think has an appeal because there's a pretty clean path to avoid some of the other issues you might have with improving the pass rush. The team appears to want to stick with its principals in regards to having an end who can do certain things in the run game. You've got the issue of finding a rare kind of athlete who is big and strong enough to play the 5 and 6-technique stuff the position demands while still being a quality edge rusher, which might not be an option this off-season. Otherwise you're looking for a guy who is good but still cheap enough to be a part-time player. Misi isn't crying out for replacement, but it's fair game I think.
I'd definitely consider Jarvis Jones at 12. I can see why teams would be scared off with the medical issue, but man, he's REALLY good.
I think Richardson would fit that spot very nicely. I agree that Datone Jones would be excellent as well. I wonder if Miami would also have interest in Malliciah Goodman and Devin Taylor in the mid rounds as well.
Whatever you want to call it, IMO, Richardson would be best suited for Randy Starks' position as the 3 technique.
Perhaps but having a defensive end on the edge that can hold down against the run at 295 and still have 4.75 speed can change the opponent's game-plan completely. I'll take drafting the BPA which Richardson is versus drafting say Trufant, the best fit at CB.
Speaking of Jamar and zone CBs, Jamar Taylor would be a good fit if we are looking for a CB who is suited for zone coverage.
