Miami Dolphins New logo/uniforms Thread

"Samphin wrote:

Yeah feel ya. Most, if not all of my stuff is on CAD, but I am getting more and more requests for BIM, especially on commercial type projects. I see the appeal and the advantages for the subs, but it looks challenging as hell.

Edit: And for the record, I still picture Mike Brito, Dodgers Scout, when I read your posts.

I picture myself as Mike Brito when I make them.

Interesting. I wonder why they'd still be tweaking the logo when they put it on a helmet and a jersey for a photoshoot, amongst other things...

"WhiteIbanez wrote:

Haha. No Revit or Inventor? Autodesk stuff.
I'm the king of dynamic blocks in CAD if you ever have the need.
You want to automate your stuff?

Totally..hate it when my Revit is not working right, but then I turn on that inventor, all she wrote, hardrive is pushin a lots gigs, know what I'm sayin Nez.

"djphinfan wrote:

Totally..hate it when my Revit is not working right, but then I turn on that inventor, all she wrote, hardrive is pushin a lots gigs, know what I'm sayin Nez.

oh ****. I started design geek talk.

"Section126 wrote:

oh ****. I started design geek talk.

I love listening to it, have no fu&$in clue what y'all are talking about, but I wish I had some of it.

I'm a graphic designer. If they are unveiling this in ~3 weeks now, there is no way this isn't finalized. in fact, this was probably finalized before the season was over. You can't still be tweaking, especially with the chain of command it must go through to get approval. After clearing all the Dolphins brass, it has to make it to the NFL for their marketing people and such as well. Anyone not thinking it's final is wishful thinking. As many people here have already said, old school vs new school is pretty much how the dolphins organization has been looking at this since day 1.

Also, anyone that likes the logo with the off kilter, two colored sun, that's one of the worst logos I've seen so far. It would be a nightmare to print, especially in small sizes. Imagine that thing at the top of NFL.com, it would look like a blurry paint swatch or something shrunk to that size. When creating a logo, especially for something like the NFL, it has to look good gigantic on billboards, and good microscopic on the top of web pages. it has to look good in black and white for newspapers. it has to have few colors so it's easy to screen print on clothing. it has to have large chunks of color so that it can be embroidered on polos.

"Crazy685 wrote:

Interesting. I wonder why they'd still be tweaking the logo when they put it on a helmet and a jersey for a photoshoot, amongst other things...

Maybe they're trying to print several different ones to see which looks better. ???????

"chadisawesome wrote:

I'm a graphic designer. If they are unveiling this in ~3 weeks now, there is no way this isn't finalized. in fact, this was probably finalized before the season was over. You can't still be tweaking, especially with the chain of command it must go through to get approval. After clearing all the Dolphins brass, it has to make it to the NFL for their marketing people and such as well. Anyone not thinking it's final is wishful thinking. As many people here have already said, old school vs new school is pretty much how the dolphins organization has been looking at this since day 1. Also, anyone that likes the logo with the off kilter, two colored sun, that's one of the worst logos I've seen so far. It would be a nightmare to print, especially in small sizes. Imagine that thing at the top of NFL.com, it would look like a blurry paint swatch or something shrunk to that size. When creating a logo, especially for something like the NFL, it has to look good gigantic on billboards, and good microscopic on the top of web pages. it has to look good in black and white for newspapers. it has to have few colors so it's easy to screen print on clothing. it has to have large chunks of color so that it can be embroidered on polos.

going to have to agree here. I highly doubt its being modified or edited ~3 weeks before a national release..

"chadisawesome wrote:

I'm a graphic designer. If they are unveiling this in ~3 weeks now, there is no way this isn't finalized. in fact, this was probably finalized before the season was over. You can't still be tweaking, especially with the chain of command it must go through to get approval. After clearing all the Dolphins brass, it has to make it to the NFL for their marketing people and such as well. Anyone not thinking it's final is wishful thinking. As many people here have already said, old school vs new school is pretty much how the dolphins organization has been looking at this since day 1.

Also, anyone that likes the logo with the off kilter, two colored sun, that's one of the worst logos I've seen so far. It would be a nightmare to print, especially in small sizes. Imagine that thing at the top of NFL.com, it would look like a blurry paint swatch or something shrunk to that size. When creating a logo, especially for something like the NFL, it has to look good gigantic on billboards, and good microscopic on the top of web pages. it has to look good in black and white for newspapers. it has to have few colors so it's easy to screen print on clothing. it has to have large chunks of color so that it can be embroidered on polos.

Disagree.

The NBA actually has a larger branding, licensing and sales arm than the NFL, and twice have the Miami Heat had to redo and scrap alternate uniforms a month out and re-design.

In 2006, they proposed to the League a "White Hot" uniform, that got rejected for the playoffs, but allowed for the regular season if they changed the trim to black instead of silver.

They mothballed it, scrapped it, and released them this year with the black trim.

The NBA re-designed their christmas day uniforms to change the trim on the numbers and name 21 days before gameday. You can still find the "un-released" ones on ebay.

"Section126 wrote:

Disagree.

The NBA actually has a larger branding, licensing and sales arm than the NFL, and twice have the Miami Heat had to redo and scrap alternate uniforms a month out and re-design.

In 2006, they proposed to the League a "White Hot" uniform, that got rejected for the playoffs, but allowed for the regular season if they changed the trim to black instead of silver.

They mothballed it, scrapped it, and released them this year with the black trim.

The NBA re-designed their christmas day uniforms to change the trim on the numbers and name 21 days before gameday. You can still find the "un-released" ones on ebay.

you are talking about one day special event jerseys and alternate jerseys. I'm sure these have a little more wiggle room. How embarrassing would it be if during the draft, nfl network was forced to use old dolphin logos in their commercial bumps or in their on screen scrollers because their graphic design team wasn't given the updated logo in enough time?

"Hey we changed the jersey colors from white to grey, last minute decision"
"okay, give the players the new jerseys and put the old ones on ebay as RARE so they fetch more money"

"Hey we changed logos, we are still the heat, but our colors and logo are different"
"okay get us the updated logos to change in all the in game graphics, get the new colors for the scoreboard overlay, change the logo on all the scoreboards and signage outside the stadium, make sure the press kits are updated with the new logo, make sure we have a template to paint the field... etc."

logos are much further reaching than an alternate one time jersey.

Hey everybody in this thread, I stopped paying attention about 100 pages ago. Can someone summarize where we are with this new logo?

"GARDENHEAD wrote:

Hey everybody in this thread, I stopped paying attention about 100 pages ago. Can someone summarize where we are with this new logo?

Everyone hates or loves it. But we aren't sure of what we hate or love about it.

And no one knows for sure if "it" is real or fake.

And Sick turns 31 in five years.

You're welcome.

"GARDENHEAD wrote:

Hey everybody in this thread, I stopped paying attention about 100 pages ago. Can someone summarize where we are with this new logo?

fan outcry so we are scrapping it. stuck in the 70's forever, just like our fan base wants it!

"chadisawesome wrote:

you are talking about one day special event jerseys and alternate jerseys. I'm sure these have a little more wiggle room. How embarrassing would it be if during the draft, nfl network was forced to use old dolphin logos in their commercial bumps or in their on screen scrollers because their graphic design team wasn't given the updated logo in enough time?

"Hey we changed the jersey colors from white to grey, last minute decision"
"okay, give the players the new jerseys and put the old ones on ebay as RARE so they fetch more money"

"Hey we changed logos, we are still the heat, but our colors and logo are different"
"okay get us the updated logos to change in all the in game graphics, get the new colors for the scoreboard overlay, change the logo on all the scoreboards and signage outside the stadium, make sure the press kits are updated with the new logo, make sure we have a template to paint the field... etc."

logos are much further reaching than an alternate one time jersey.

I think the "embarrassment" you speak of could be less a factor then enraging a fan base that is finally in a better place. Point being, depending on the client's goals its certainly possible that the logo is not finalized yet. I'm also a graphic designer, btw.

Besides, if they are at the point where they are just tweaking colors or minor details, then 99.9% of the people won't know the difference between the tweaked or a pre-tweaked logo, especially if its color, since as you know, color is dependent on the media used and the environmental lighting relative to where its viewed.

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For those that don't know:
All color on a TV or computer screen is built off of RGB (Red, Green, Blue). Meaning every color you see on those is made up of varying levels of red, blue and green.

Virtually all color printing is built off of CMYK (Cyan, Magenta, Yellow & Black) There are what are known as spot colors and various specific colors like Pantone. For example, the red Coke uses belongs to them and his unique.

There are other color recipes HSB, etc. But the two above are the majority. Anyway, many colors created in RGB cannot be reproduced exactly in CMYK and vice versa. Also, individual monitor/tv settings change how we see color and the lighting in the space we are in changes it to. If you view a color on a piece of paper inside it will be a different shade outside. You don't realize it, but if you could view them at the same time the colors would be noticeably different.

"Fin D wrote:

I think the "embarrassment" you speak of could be less a factor then enraging a fan base that is finally in a better place. Point being, depending on the client's goals its certainly possible that the logo is not finalized yet. I'm also a graphic designer, btw.

Besides, if they are at the point where they are just tweaking colors or minor details, then 99.9% of the people won't know the difference between the tweaked or a pre-tweaked logo, especially if its color, since as you know, color is dependent on the media used and the environmental lighting relative to where its viewed.

---------------------------------------------
For those that don't know:
All color on a TV or computer screen is built off of RGB (Red, Green, Blue). Meaning every color you see on those is made up of varying levels of red, blue and green.

Virtually all color printing is built off of CMYK (Cyan, Magenta, Yellow & Black) There are what are known as spot colors and various specific colors like Pantone. For example, the red Coke uses belongs to them and his unique.

There are other color recipes HSB, etc. But the two above are the majority. Anyway, many colors created in RGB cannot be reproduced exactly in CMYK and vice versa. Also, individual monitor/tv settings change how we see color and the lighting in the space we are in changes it to. If you view a color on a piece of paper inside it will be a different shade outside. You don't realize it, but if you could view them at the same time the colors would be noticeably different.

Neeeeeeeeeeeeerd!

I cannot wait until that logo is unveiled. I like it. And the Dolphin finally ditched the helmet!!

"chadisawesome wrote:

I'm a graphic designer. If they are unveiling this in ~3 weeks now, there is no way this isn't finalized. in fact, this was probably finalized before the season was over. You can't still be tweaking, especially with the chain of command it must go through to get approval. After clearing all the Dolphins brass, it has to make it to the NFL for their marketing people and such as well. Anyone not thinking it's final is wishful thinking. As many people here have already said, old school vs new school is pretty much how the dolphins organization has been looking at this since day 1.

Also, anyone that likes the logo with the off kilter, two colored sun, that's one of the worst logos I've seen so far. It would be a nightmare to print, especially in small sizes. Imagine that thing at the top of NFL.com, it would look like a blurry paint swatch or something shrunk to that size. When creating a logo, especially for something like the NFL, it has to look good gigantic on billboards, and good microscopic on the top of web pages. it has to look good in black and white for newspapers. it has to have few colors so it's easy to screen print on clothing. it has to have large chunks of color so that it can be embroidered on polos.

All due respect to Section126, I'm more inclined to agree with chadisawesome here. I think the logo/uni redesign is a done deal. Maybe that's just my gut. Or, maybe what chad wrote just struck a nerve with me? I dunno. But, I will say this, Sec, when I read your post from the other day:

"Section126 wrote:

You want to hear something funny?
I know a guy that would know a lot about the new logo and uni's. I have asked him countless times about it, and he won't budge on any info, but he keeps assuring me that I WOULD LOVE it. Simply adore it.

So yesterday, I asked him again, due to all these leaks. He clammed up and said to not pay attention to these leaks since the uni is not "set in stone". Things can still change, but he continued to assure me that I would Love it.

So I got curious, and asked him why he was so sure I would love it. he asked me to describe my "perfect" uniform and logo....

I did.

His response: "Okay, I am not so sure anymore that you will like them."

I remember thinking that was a contradiction. How can he say in one breath you're going to "love it." And, in the other nothing is "set in stone?" Just doesn't make sense. I think your guy was either telling you what he thought you wanted to hear, or trying to have you believe the leaked logo couldn't be the final one because it's still being tweaked. So, IMO he's either full of it, or he's trying to cover up the leak. JMHO, I could be completely off base. And, please do not misunderstand Sec., I'm not trying to flame you. I believe you. I also have all the respect for you as far as this board goes. So, no hard feelings I hope. :knucks:

All that said, and in the meantime...reading this thread is a very entertaining way to pass the time this off-season. I'm learning all about how real dolphins hump and fight, douche massages, and angry mobs of midgets. Fascinating stuff.

My understanding is that the logo has to go to the NFL first before it makes its way back to the team and that it would have to have occurred months ago. Any tweaks after that would just be minor. The uniforms, I believe, get designed after that and are open to minor tweaking also, but the basic designs of both the logo and uniform are in place months before.

"Samphin wrote:

Neeeeeeeeeeeeerd!

Studies have shown that people (especially males) that try to insult other people because they are trying to share info, are generally stunted developmentally, probably due to abuse and/or molestation.

Here's one of the studies: Link

"The G Man wrote:

All due respect to Section126, I'm more inclined to agree with chadisawesome here. I think the logo/uni redesign is a done deal. Maybe that's just my gut. Or, maybe what chad wrote just struck a nerve with me? I dunno. But, I will say this, Sec, when I read your post from the other day:

I remember thinking that was a contradiction. How can he say in one breath you're going to "love it." And, in the other nothing is "set in stone?" Just doesn't make sense. I think your guy was either telling you what he thought you wanted to hear, or trying to have you believe the leaked logo couldn't be the final one because it's still being tweaked. So, IMO he's either full of it, or he's trying to cover up the leak. JMHO, I could be completely off base. And, please do not misunderstand Sec., I'm not trying to flame you. I believe you. I also have all the respect for you as far as this board goes. So, no hard feelings I hope. :knucks:

All that said, and in the meantime...reading this thread is a very entertaining way to pass the time this off-season. I'm learning all about how real dolphins hump and fight, douche massages, and angry mobs of midgets. Fascinating stuff.

You misunderstood or mis-read my post.

I said that I tried to get as much info out of somebody that would absolutely, positively, without a doubt, bet your house with your mother in it, KNOW what the logo and Uniform looks like.

He gave me NADA. zilch. nothing. All he did was give me the same dance he had given me before. That I would "love" it.

That is when I described what I would "love".

and he didn't sound so sure anymore.

I then said that it was my gut that it wasn't finalized. I didn't provide any new info on the logo. Just that I am likely to be disappointed, since it is VERY likely to be the opposite of what I wanted.

"Fin D wrote:

Studies have shown that people (especially males) that try to insult other people because they are trying to share info, are generally stunted developmentally, probably due to abuse and/or molestation.

Here's one of the studies: Link

FD - That was just nasty!!

Shame on you!!!

:taz::rimshot:

"Fin D wrote:

Studies have shown that people (especially males) that try to insult other people because they are trying to share info, are generally stunted developmentally, probably due to abuse and/or molestation.

Here's one of the studies: Link

Truly enlightening study. Excellent visual example.

"Section126 wrote:

You misunderstood or mis-read my post.

I said that I tried to get as much info out of somebody that would absolutely, positively, without a doubt, bet your house with your mother in it, KNOW what the logo and Uniform looks like.

He gave me NADA. zilch. nothing. All he did was give me the same dance he had given me before. That I would "love" it.

That is when I described what I would "love".

and he didn't sound so sure anymore.

I then said that it was my gut that it wasn't finalized. I didn't provide any new info on the logo. Just that I am likely to be disappointed, since it is VERY likely to be the opposite of what I wanted.

Out of curiosity, what did you say you would love the logo to look like?

"rafael wrote:

Out of curiosity, what did you say you would love the logo to look like?

LOL. 4th time I get asked this in this thread.

"Section126 wrote:

LOL.

It's not a secret which Uni's I want. I have been harping on it for a while. I want retro looking Uni's, I want the stripes on the sleeves, I want the Logo to accentuate "MIAMI". I want Navy Blue to be minimal. I want a "M" in the logo.

here you go Rafael.