Miami Dolphins like what they have in Ryan Tannehill

We really have no choice but to buy into his development.

I did think the list of axed fmr coaches is telling as well.

 

He has a 3 to 4 year window of opportunity to get better and prove he is a franchise QB.I am fairly convinced that he is .

 

and people wonder why we have been so bad for 10+ years. Look at the coaches we've had, it should give you a clue.

 

I am just hoping at this point he's more than Philip Rivers, because unless we surround him with some elite players, his career could mirror Rivers.

 

I still see his ceiling as Aaron Rodgers-like.

He had 20 starts before this year. He almost doubled that this year, that's how inexperienced he was.

 

19 actually. Your point is only magnified by the lesser number.

 

Im hoping RT is the proverbial tortoise from the tortoise vrs the hare parable. There are some positive signs in his game that give me hope but he still has a long way to go before being dubbed a franchise QB. I do like how the coaching has been for him so far.

 

The low INT rate is nice. But Philbin kind of makes it sound like they babysat him, at least early on in the year. Whereas with Luck his coaches make it sound like they threw everything at him, which means his high INT rate could be explained by attempting more aggressive throws. Even so, for a guy with such little experience it's pretty impressive that he would step right into the league and turn the ball over at that low a rate. But INT rate isn't very constant from year to year. So given more of the playbook and hopefully more aggressive throws along with normal variance we might be looking at a higher INT rate next year. If that happens I could live with some growing pains if it also comes with more TDs, which I think is also a part of Luck's numbers.

 

I love Tannehill. All weekend I kept thinking how great he will very likely be w/ some more weapons next year, and a full offseason to work on his trade. I fully expect us to be playing on the road in the first round of the playoffs next year, and discussing the results a year from today. Hopefully, we'll be looking on to the next week with hope.

 

Right! I could live with 14-16 INTs, if we pair that w/ 28-plus TDs.

 

In a season with Luck and RG3 as rookies, it's encouraging that most people are fairly happy with what Tannehill's shown so far and the potential that is there.

Don't think many will look at this year's QB crop and think "I wish we'd waited until this draft for a QB...". If he was coming out this year I reckon KC would have very little hesitation in taking him at #1.

 

The other issues here are that some of the other rookie QBs made it to the playoffs with strengths elsewhere on their teams. RGIII had the #1 rushing offense in the league in terms of yards (a good number of those yards were RGIII's), and Russell Wilson had the #1 defense in terms of points allowed, as well as the #3 rushing offense in terms of yards.

Tannehill had the #7 defense in terms of points allowed, and the #17 rushing offense in terms of yards.

Andrew Luck pulled quite the coup by making the playoffs even with the #21 defense and the #22 rushing offense. He carried the team even as a rookie, mainly by making clutch plays himself.

Brandon Weeden was at the other end of the spectrum, with the #19 defense and the #24 rushing offense. In comparison to Luck, his level of clutch play was very poor.

 

Wow, Aaron-Rodgers like? Rodgers is playing the position as well as anyone in the history of the league the past two years. Aaron Rodgers only started 23 games during college and then sat for 3 years behind Favre. He threw only 665 passes in college, compared to Tannehill's 774. Rodgers played at a high level his very first start in the NFL in which he was 24 years old, same age as Tannehill this year.

Cam Newton had 0 starts before leading Auburn to an undefeated season and only 14 college starts before throwing for 21 TD passes and rushing for 14 more in his rookie season at 22 years of age. Now that is inexperienced.

Personally, I have felt that Tannehill is too inexperienced concept doesn't hold that much weight since his father was a football coach and this would now be his 6th year in the same system under Sherman. That has to count for something. Knowing 80%+ of the playbook and terminology is a huge advantage imo over other rookies. Reports were Tannehill never missed a QB meeting in college and always considered himself a QB first. If I recall correctly (not that I always do ) I read he would practice all week at QB and then go out and play WR without practicing during the week, which is impressive if true. I would also think the time on the field playing WR would significantly speed up his learning process as a QB as well.

I hope you are right since he is wearing a Dolphins uniform, but Rodgers-like seems like a big reach at this point.

 

I think you are really disregarding the bolded part too much.

 

I agree that is totally beneficial to a player. But that is also my point with Tannehill, he got to sit for 3 and 1/2 years learning the very system he is playing in here at Miami. He was a red-shirt senior.

Big difference between playing two years in college, sitting for three in the pros and then starting vs. sitting for 3 years in college, playing for two and then starting right away...perhaps? Hope so or it will be another disappointing year next year and beyond.

 

He also didn't sit three years in college. While he got to the quarterback meetings and probably practiced the quarterback while he was a wide receiver, he still was devoting time to becoming a better wide receiver.

A person who is focused on one skill will be better at that one skill than someone who is practicing two skills.

Your perhaps question, I believe the answer is A LOT.

 

We shall see...doesn't seem to apply to a lot of QBs coming out the past couple of years...Luck, Wilson, RG3, Kaepernick, Newton.

 

Newton didn't play well his second year and a lot of his good first year could be a fluke due to the lock out.

Kaepernick did sit a year, so it does apply to him.

Luck, Wilson and RG3 all played a ton in college. They are in a different situation.

 

We have to give Tannehill a chance, and I hope he shines...but it's going to be hard to tell unless Ireland goes out and gets him some starting caliber wide receivers and tight ends to throw to. He could be Joe freaking Montana and we'd never know it with the people we have surrounding him right now.

 

I think we can do a little better than that in terms of knowing what we have with him. All it takes is a little research.

 

Newton was actually pretty good his second year. 4600 combined yards and 27 combined TDs is damn good for a 2nd year QB and his passer rating went up to 86.2 from 84.5 his rookie year. That's nothing to be ashamed of.

 

True about Kaepernick.

Little confused how the lockout helped Newton. Logic would be it hurt him, not helped given he was a rookie. Newton played well enough is second year. 27 pass/run TDs, 12 int...86.2 QB rating, 741 yards rushing. I would be happy with that for Tannehill next year.

Proof will be on the field of play.

IMO the sitting for 3 and 1/2 years and learning Tannehill did in college should have given him a huge advantage in collegiate play over Griffin (18 years old), Wilson (20 years old), Luck (20 years old), and Kaepernick (20 years old) during their redshirt-freshman years. Yet, all four played better as redshirt fresham than Tannehill did as a red-shirt senior with 6 starts under his belt.

Maybe the waiting and learning only applies in the NFL and not in college....

 

My mistake.

 

Lockout helped Newton a lot. Logically it helped all quarterbacks. Newton's September was amazing. Still I did talk without doing research. My memory of Newton this year was flawed.

However waiting and learning only applies to the NFL, IMO. College is a crapshoot of crap in comparison.