Merged x 1 Billion: All Things 'Suck for Luck'

"ToddsPhins wrote:

I agree with that.... but that doesn't change the fact that we're playing terrible, sloppy football as a team right now. I'd rather win 10 or 11 games with great team play the way the Jets do than win 8 games with an elite QB on a team that plays like garbage.

Added to your point: Flacco was a 1st round pick who's not in that top group (as you say). IMO we can't rely on a 1st round QB we dont have. The Jets traded up for Sanchez at #5 (where we'd be lucky to draft this year) and he hasn't done much of anything but ride a great playing & coached team to 2 AFC Champ games. They won b/c of their team, not b/c of Sanchez. When Mark was busy playing like one of the worst QBs in the NFL, did the Jets whine and complain that their season is over until they get the next Namath in there? I seriously doubt it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5972554

"DHPVW wrote:

Henne isn't our problem, he hasn't even had a chance to show how his improvements help our team because our team keeps falling on their face and refuse to help him win. Henne can't make Marshall catch the ball and can't make our defense stop opposing teams from scoring.

If you think Luck could come in and play better than Henne could with the team as it is now and just make us an instant contender then you are just being ridiculous. Brady/Manning wouldn't make our problems go away

You might have thought so after hearing all the stuuf about how good Henne was in game 1.

"DeDolfan wrote:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5972554

THE ELITE DIVISION

10. Joe Flacco, Baltimore Ravens
Analysis: At some point, those who like to give me flak about Flacco's elite status will have to concede he has it all. He doesn't throw many interceptions (10 this season); he has a big-time arm; and he wins playoff games (3-2 record).
Arrow is pointing: Up

Is this real life?

"Trillfan wrote:

If you notice very carefully, Hostetler has a shiny Super Bowl XXV ring.

OK maybe its not shiny anymore and maybe he auctioned it off to pay his homeowners insurance, but you get my point.

The Steelers, Ravens, Giants, Eagles & Ravens continue to win with a defensive approach to team building. The Pats' championships all came behind elite defensive efforts.

The QB remains more important than any other single position but if you match it up vs the 11 positions which comprise a defense then it's a whole 'nother story.

In which case, an elite QB improves your chances, eh?

"Disgustipate wrote:

You also utterly destroy your franchise if Luck isn't the guy everyone is squeezing and rubbing each other over.

"utterly destroy"? What a ridiculous statement. With the rookie salary cap, what about drafting Andrew Luck would "utterly destroy" this franchise? Because we're so ****ing awesome right now at 0-4? Honestly this loser mentality of "A QB might bust, so there's no point in drafting one" is completely ****ing ridiculous. You think the Lions, Falcons or even Rams regret taking a risk by drafting their QBs? Any player at any position can be a bust. It doesn't mean you don't keep trying until you get it right.

When are some of you fans going to get sick of defending this franchise's complete and total ineptitude and ignorance regarding the most important position on the football field?

So you mean it can get worse than it is right now?

Worse than when we were 1-15 just a few years ago?

Worse than 1 playoff win in the last 10 years?

Worse than 19 years since our last AFCCG appearance?

Worse than almost 39 years since we last won a Super Bowl?

WAIT....it can get worse by taking a chance on Luck being the franchise QB we have been longing for since Marino retired?

I think the anti-Luck people have a fear that because some #1 QBs have been busts that the one we take will be a bust. We're kind of like battered wives. We keep thinking that even though we're subjected to the same abuse year over year, things will magically get better even when there's nothing done to change anything.

"MonstBlitz wrote:

"utterly destroy"? What a ridiculous statement. With the rookie salary cap, what about drafting Andrew Luck would "utterly destroy" this franchise? Because we're so ****ing awesome right now at 0-4? Honestly this loser mentality of "A QB might bust, so there's no point in drafting one" is completely ****ing ridiculous. You think the Lions, Falcons or even Rams regret taking a risk by drafting their QBs? Any player at any position can be a bust. It doesn't mean you don't keep trying until you get it right.

When are some of you fans going to get sick of defending this franchise's complete and total ineptitude and ignorance regarding the most important position on the football field?

You don't understand. I'm not suggesting Luck is going to be a bad player, or we shouldn't pick a quarterback high in the draft. I'm suggesting that Andrew Luck is a prospect, not your Lord and Saviour. "Sucking" for him is totally irresponsible, because it is possible he misses. It is possible that the absolute right choice coming out of the evaluation process is to not draft Luck #1 overall. If you miss on a quarterback, you are handcuffed to that quarterback for several years. That is what can destroy a franchise.

"ToddsPhins wrote:

Actually, if we're going by the "Dolphins" standard, then, unlike mine, your theory has been proven flawed for forever. Our only SBs were due to outstanding TEAM play, not b/c an elite QB took us to the promise land. Way to disrespect our undefeated season, bro. :tongue2:

Great team play: 2 Super Bowl wins.
Marino: zero.

How "elite" must one be to be in the HOF? just asking...................

"BlameItOnTheHenne wrote:

Is this real life?

Apparently many think so. look waaay down the list to find Henne.

I just saw Troy Aikman called a game manager. I'm done with this discussion.

"Paul 13 wrote:

It's not complicated at this point. Take the qb. He's the only person on the field that touches the ball every offensive snap...

Isn't that why Ireland took Pouncey so high? :tongue2:

"Disgustipate wrote:

You don't understand. I'm not suggesting Luck is going to be a bad player, or we shouldn't pick a quarterback high in the draft. I'm suggesting that Andrew Luck is a prospect, not your Lord and Saviour. "Sucking" for him is totally irresponsible, because it is possible he misses. It is possible that the absolute right choice coming out of the evaluation process is to not draft Luck #1 overall. If you miss on a quarterback, you are handcuffed to that quarterback for several years. That is what can destroy a franchise.

I can agree with you that it's wrong for an NFL team to deliberately lose games for ethical reasons and the reason you mention. But I don't think there is anything wrong with fans cheering for it. This is the position we have been put in with a decade plus of our favorite team half assedly addressing or completely ignoring the position of QB. I can't blame anyone for cheering for the best chance of potentially solving that problem for a long time.

And fact remains that missing on a QB does not "utterly destroy" a franchise. Especially now. If you miss, you move on and try again. Raiders are actually doing ok, even after the Jamarcus Russell fiasco.

Hypothetical Question: Would you knowingly choose to go 0-16 to get Andrew Luck?

I am not asking if you would want to intentionally lose all 16 games to get Luck, but rather if you would be ok with going 0-16 to get Andrew Luck. No team has ever gone 0-16 and we certainly have the talent to win a handful of games, but with all that being said I would do it. We could then say that we are the only team to go undefeated and winless in a season. Once we get Luck I don't think it would be long before we are a playoff team year in and year out... Man it sure is cool looking at Detriot now after all the crappy years they have had. I want what they have.

So bottom line, would you be willing to swallow your pride go 0-16 and get Andrew Luck and still be happy? I would.

Hell yes.

Also, the Lions went 0-16 a few years ago and wound up with Matt Stafford. You think they'd trade places with us?

Yes. He will make us a competitor for 14+ years.

No way.

I wouldn't even want that if the Phins and another team were 0-15 going into Week 17.

Yes, whats another season of suffering at this point? If it means getting an amazing QB I'll be thrilled.

Sure, why not?

"Phyl wrote:

Hell yes.

Also, the Lions went 0-16 a few years ago and wound up with Matt Stafford. You think they'd trade places with us?

Oh yeah, I forgot about that... Maybe one of us on here will do this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCZvQEKQ9y8

By the way, did anyone see Andrew Luck's one handed catch? Apparently he can play more than QB. :up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpREd2fxnng

Have we seen Marshall make a one handed grab in Miami yet?

"UCF FINatic wrote:

I am not asking if you would want to intentionally lose all 16 games to get Luck, but rather if you would be ok with going 0-16 to get Andrew Luck. No team has ever gone 0-16 and we certainly have the talent to win a handful of games, but with all that being said I would do it. We could then say that we are the only team to go undefeated and winless in a season. Once we get Luck I don't think it would be long before we are a playoff team year in and year out... Man it sure is cool looking at Detriot now after all the crappy years they have had. I want what they have.

So bottom line, would you be willing to swallow your pride go 0-16 and get Andrew Luck and still be happy? I would.

Yes but its more than just getting luck(whom i feel is going to be ****ing stud)we also get to pick first in every round we have a draft pick for.Hopefully we get somebody in here that knows how to draft and no pat white picks in the second round.

Gonna be a long ****ing season.

Absolutely, this team is going nowhere without a franchise QB and better overall talent. Sometimes you have to be bad before you can be good. So now is the time for the Dolphins to be awful, in hopes that they can be great in the future.

I'm not sure how to answer this (knowingly choose?). I would never purposefully lose, but if we did lose 16 then I would look for the bright side and that would be Luck and some decent talent to put around him. The dark side would be infamy and possibly a coaching staff and front office that I don't fully trust to use Luck and the rest of that talent to it's fullest.