Merged x 1 Billion: All Things 'Suck for Luck'

Well played, Sir.

 

this is really a suck for luck conversation, so it will be merged with the existing thread. this will also help the SFLers and non-SFLers stay a bit separate and avoid entanglements.

 

Better yet, if we get a REAL coaching staff in here, we could still win even with Chad Henne. Don't believe it?

Jim Harbaugh's doing a pretty good job this season with that PoS Alex Smith still the starting QB.

 

This is true. We can't look ahead too far. This chiefs game is a prototypical trap game and if we look to the skins game and not focus at the next task at hand we might wind up winning it.

One loss at a time. One loss at a time.

 

Very well played. Lol

 

Colin Cowherd just said on his radio show that the first tiebreaker for the first overall pick is winning % from the previous season. I really hope this is true, it basically gives us a one game lead on almost all the SFL contenders.

 

Yeah, but his way is better. Are we sure its SOS? Cuz winning % would be awesome for us.

 

It is the PREVIOUS season prior to the draft (which is this current regular season in 2011/12) and the draft being held in 2012....the confusion comes into play about the NEW schedule that is released for the next season which is played following the draft - but the schedule is out prior to the draft - and it's respective SoS is based on upcoming opponents in 2012/13 using 2011 regular season records.

The proper SoS% is the prior regular season actual results...and not the upcoming SoS% projected new opponent results based on 2011 regular season.

Cowherd said it correctly, thus do not confuse prior season as 2010/11 which set up this past draft of 2011....the next SoS% is this 2011/12 since the draft is in 2012. Its not the SoS% for the 2012/13 season's schedule.

SoS% is basically winning % (its just not your winning %...its your opponents)...its total wins by opponents on your schedule divided by total games played by your opponents.

 

With all due respect, I never mentioned Andrew Luck once.

But I understand. I was just trying to bring a little levity. We all need it seasons like this.

 

Eli Manning has the same number of Super Bowl rings as his big brother!

 

what does that mean?

Aqua thinks the best and fastest way to a super bowl ring is replacing Tony and getting the #1 pick. what's wrong with that?

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't you the one who was making that absurd point about coaches not winning super bowls on two different teams. Pot meet kettle

 

So does brad Johnson and difler. Guess they would of given us the same chance of winning a super bowl as Peyton too. Your points are silly

 

Maynard, c'mon brother!! Be honest with yourself here.

Does anyone really truly believe Alex Smith is a better quarterback than Chad Henne?
Does anyone really truly believe the defense Harbaugh inherited last season was any better than ours?
Does anyone really trully believe SF's running backs are any better than ours, either R&R last season or R&D this season?

All of these S4L's have one thing on their brain...Andrew Luck. That's it. That's the ONLY thing they have on their brains. Luck is going to be the second coming of the Messiah. Hell, we have one guy that said one win by the Dolphins this season would set this franchise back decades. You get that, just ONE win, so these guys I disagree with aren't thinking about the franchise...they're thinking about Luck.

Now, my above questions about the San Francisco 49ers. Had Stephen Ross not phucked up during the off season...had he fired Sparano immediately at the end of the season and immediately pursued Harbaugh and landed him, the Miami Dolphins would be 6-1 and not the 49ers because anyone here who...

-Believes Smith is better than Henne...
-That Miami's running backs aren't worth a damn
-Who don't believe the defense we HAD and was predicted to be one of the top 10 defenses in the league this year is is better than San Francisco's defense...

Doesn't know football. Jim Harbaugh took that SAME San Francisco 49er team and they've gone from worst to first. Had WE had Harbaugh this season, that would have been US...with the same players.

So all of these moronic facepalming comments expressing the viagra induced erection for Andrew Luck and his Holy enshrinement into NFL glory while completely ignoring what the real problem is with this team, demonstrates to me an infanticimal knowledge of football.

 

Josh McDaniel started 6-0 and everybody thought he was the next great coach. I think a more relevant example is looking at Indy. Same coach they go from super bowl appearance to a historically bad team. That's what a franchise qb brings. You can have Chad Henne and harbaugh. I'll take manning and any coach you want.

 

I'm not making the pot kettle connection there piggy....if you care to elaborate.

*sighs* Gee, how did Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer win those Super Bowl rings? For that matter, how did medicore QB's like Joe Theisman and Mark Rypen too? Hmmmmm

Oh yea...they had REAL COACHES who knew how to build a COMPLETE TEAM and didn't rely on ONE POSITION ie; quarterback

 

I'll take Chad Henne and Jim Harbaugh as head coach. You can take Peyton Manning and Tony Sparano as head coach...and I'll beat you every time, because there's a couple of things Harbaugh knows that Sparano doesn't. There are two halves in football, not just the first...and you have two sides of the football, offense AND defense.

 

If you think we'd be 5-1 with harbaugh than I really don't know what to say. I'm guessing before the season started you were touting Henne as a franchise qb and that we'd stroll into the playoffs. Your philosophy of ignoring the qb position is what has led to the last decade of ineptitude.

 

Manning pretty much took sparano to the super bowl.

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How about you guys just stop the feeding? I mean, it's hilarious, no doubt, but he'll get one of you banned these days.

 

Anything can happen but while we are in contention I'm going to hope for it. Nothing wrong with getting Eli but id much rather have Peyton.

 

You make my argument for me. Indy put all its eggs in one basket in Peyton Manning. The Colts drop the basket and all those eggs were broken.

No omlette for the Colts...only mush

Now you bring up the Josh McDaniel comparrison. The difference between the two...

Through the first 7 games of McDaniels season versus Harbaugh's first season is the 49ers have put up 187 points (leads the division and 8th in the league) versus McDaniels only putting up 140 points. On the other side of the coin, Harbaugh's defense leads the league in fewest points allowed with 109 where the Broncos allowed only 96 points through their first 7 games in 2009...against "beast" opponents such as the Bengals, Browns, Raiders.

The point being, Harbaugh is putting up the stats against tougher opponents than McDaniels did against considerably softer opponents in 2009...and we missed the opportunity to get Harbaugh as our head coach.

 

Peyton Manning + Any coach >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chad Henne + The re-animated corpse of Bill Walsh infused with Don Shula's DNA.

And I like Chad Henne, but c'mon. How anyone could have watched this Dolphins team the last 10 years and NOT think QB is vital to success is mind boggling.

 

You clearly don't know football.

 

And as long as we're talking about Sparano, his one full year with Pennington as a starter he went 11-5...

 

I know you don't know what to say. It's ok, I understand your youth In your mindset, the coach is just someone who stands on the sideline, wearing headphones listening to Katy Perry and has absolutely NOTHING to do with the game. It's ok....I understand.

And as for ignoring the quarterback position? I've done no such thing. We had a good quarterback after Marino retired in Jay Feidler, but because he was not Dan Marino, we went through every quarterback whose name started with the letter "F"...had a shot at Drew Brees, but instead chose Culpepper only to see that epically fail, then continued the journeyman experiment with Harrington, Green, Pennington and now Henne...with a couple of back ups tossed in between there. No there piggy, I've not ignored the QB postiion. Had Wannstadt knew what the hell he was doing, he could have built talent around Jay Feidler and we could have advanced in the playoffs...had Nick Saban gotten his way, we would have gotten Drew Brees and could have been focusing on everything else, but no. We've not done that. Every year we keep searching and searching for the "next" heir to Marino and in the meantime, negelct every other position, negelct the obvious in coaching and continue to spiral downhill.

So like I said, I understand you don't know what to say. I was once young and naive too.

 

Yep. They put all their eggs in one basket and had over a decade of winning 10 plus games, going to two super bowls, winning one and being one of the most respected teams the past 12 years.

I really don't understand your point. Does getting the number one pick preclude us from addressing other team needs but having the sixth pick won't? Are you saying that if we pick one we'll just ignore the rest of the picks but if we pick eighth we won't? You are so all into coaching. I can guarantee you one thing, if we get luck we will have alot more coaches beating down the door to coach here than if we draft a guard and start Chad henne.

 

Exactly. Pennington has an MVP type season and it can even carry sparano to a division title

 

You might be the only one that believes that considering we're playing the Chiefs.

 

With a healthy Chad Henne and Harbaugh, I bet we are above .500

 

Just fire everyone and start over. That is the only I Luck choosing play here. Otherwise I see a Eli type of thing going down.

 

Ironically, he finished 2nd in MVP voting that year to...Peyton Manning (who was in Footloose with Kevin Bacon)

 

i agree. if alex smith plays the same throughout the year, it makes your argument stronger. but they have a Willis on D and we don't.

im more of a Suck and Franchise QB. i wont put my eggs in one basket with who i want to get. but ill make no secret that i want the dolphins to lose as many games as possible. fact is, the real Alex Smith is going to show up at some point. you can only go so far with that guy. good coaching can only mask it

 

but you know that these are anomalies. after Dilfer it was Gannon playing at an elite level. After that its been nothing but elite QBs out of the AFC. in fact, it only been 3 QBs

a top 10 QB is becoming a prerequisite for long term success in this league. cant get around it

 

That's a bit harsh, IMO. The one thing that really annoys me about the Luck hype is that the fans have gotten so engrossed in it that they seem to be looking at some of the other QB's that may be coming out as poor consolation prizes, when in fact there may be a few of them that could turn around this team's fortunes.

 

Heh...im almost as old as ou are. Seriously, you think we lost in spite of Fiedler? We had an all world defense those years. Im guessing you forgot about that pick 6 Fiedler threw against the Raiders on our first possession during that playoff game. Not having a good qb prevented us from winning those years.

Im not discounting coaching. I think coaches matter i just think that franchise qbs matter a hell of a lot more. The great and all powerful Bill Belichick lead that juggarnaut of a Browns team as a head coach to that awesome record of 36-44 over 5 seasons. He goes to NE and his first year he is 6-10. He than starts the following season at 1-3 losing to the Bungles back when they were the Bungles. Alot of people wanted him fired in Boston. I know. I lived there. He than lucks into one player that year and wins a superbowl.

Jim Caldwell is a horrible coach. Sparano like. This is a guy that was 23-66 at Wake Forest. Manning carries him to a superbowl. Without Manning they are garbage.

You say the dolphins are better with Harbaugh. I say they are even better with Aaron Rodgers. You are happy building around a Jay Fiedler or a Chad Henne. I say that is a recipe for disaster as the last decade has shown. I want a franchise qb not some retred.

I couldnt disagree with you more

 

agreed. our QB might be Matt Barkley or Jones or Weeden. we have to be prepared for it. not to mention, there is nothing from preventing any of those guys from being successful. for once, i just want to get one of those guys

 

HardKore, the last time our team was truly competitive, the one common denominator that made us that way was our defense...Thomas, Taylor, Surtain, Buckey. Our defense STOPPED opponents from scoring while giving the offense a chance to win...and Feidler prevailed more often than not.

Now, it's like our defense isn't even on the field!!! They go into the locker room at halftime and never come back out and we get rolled over left and right

Mia v NE; Halftime score: 14-7 NE. Final Score: 38-24
Mia V Hou; Halftime score: 16-3 Hou. Final Score: 23-13
Mia v Cle; Halftime score: 10-7 Mia. Final Score: 17-16
Mia v SD; Halftime score; 13-10 SD, Final Score: 26-16
Mia v NYJ; Halftime score; 14-6 NYJ, Final score: 24-6
Mia v Den; Halftime score; 6-0 Mia, Final score: 18-15OT (mind you, the score was 15-0 with 2:44 left in the game)
Mia v NYG; Halftime score; 14-10 Mia, Final score: 20-17

I see 5 games there in which the defense never came out of the locker room in the second half and the opponents just rolled right over us as if we weren't even there.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the offense didn't have their fair share of blame as well. There were definitely times they SHOULD have scored. I know of 5 TD passes that Brandon Marshall had in his hands and dropped in the endzone...not to mention that Brian Daboll's "Left Lane Offense" hasn't impressed me one bit this season...lacking the left lane opening it up attack we were promised but...is that Henne or is that the coaching??

Alex Smith is doing pretty damned good in San Francisco with Jim Harbaugh's offensive philosophy and I've yet to hear anyone tell me over the past couple of seasons they thought Alex Smith was a better QB than Chad Henne. No one's said it.