Merged x 1 Billion: All Things 'Suck for Luck'

sarcasm?

 

His arm strength is very good, not a cannon.

 

nope. he is right. the only flaw I can find is that funky ungroomed beard.

 

The only criticisms I've heard are that he may not love football or be driven enough since he decided to stay in school and finish his degree and that Stanford's strength of schedule isn't that good so he may look greater than he is. IMO he's the best prospect since Elway (actually I think he's a better prospect than Elway was), so I don't put much credence in those criticisms but they are the ones that I have heard. Just like any prospect that gets this much attention, you'll see increased nitpicking going forward.

 

If it were any other prospect, I'd say yes. However, while it may be a slight exaggeration, the kid does everything great. The guy has it all. Arm strength, accuracy, mechanics, high football IQ, athleticism, intangibles, attitude, toughness, etc... And he can ****ing catch too lol.

I never saw Elway play in college. I can't say who is a better prospect. I saw Peyton play though, and I do think Luck is a better prospect. Who knows who will turn out to be the better pro (Manning is an All-time great), but I really believe Luck could be better as hard as it is to fathom considering all Manning has done.

 

I did watch Elway and they were very similar. Both had great accuracy, arm strength, mobility etc., basic anything physical they were top notch. The difference I see is that while Elway was considered smart and a good decision maker, I think that was exaggerated a bit since he was from Stanford. With Luck, he's more like Manning on the mental side. Luck clearly manages everything for the Cardinals from the line of scrimmage. My understanding is that he runs a similar "check with me" system to what Manning does in the NFL. What is incredible about that that is something that most NFL QBs can't handle, much less college guys. Luck has a football IQ that is off the charts. I never saw that in Elway. In fact, Elway is the obvious comparison b/c they're both from Stanford, but the better comparison might be Steve Young.

 

He passes like Montana in college (I'm not joking on that one, runs like Young).

 

thats interesting because i started looking stuff up on him and it seems to be the only critique i can find on him. there were a couple of accompanying youtube clips to support it, but thats all i really saw

one of them is here
http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2011...-cardinal-QB-Prospect-playbook-NFL-draft-2012

personally, arm strength is only a problem to me if it is limiting, like Jay when he was here

 

I was being serious!

 

His arm is stronger than what I remember from Manning in those years and certainly more so than Brady in those years.

 

you're shifty like that lol

 

I hope all this Luck talk isn't going to jinx us. One thing I worry about....3 of our losses were to The Patriots, Chargers, and Texans. You have to imagine those three being division champs along with the Ravens. The only crappy team we've played are the Browns...and they're better than the Broncos and Chiefs. We could still be a 4 or 5 win team, which will take us out of Luck Bowl. Possibly even the 2nd best prospect as well.

We'll see though, we do have a 7 game losing streak. Chiefs and Colts may be improving a bit.

 

Say the Rams do end up with the #1 overall, do you make a trade for Sam Bradford?

 

Absolutely.

 

100%. As a prospect he isn't that far off Luck.

 

[video=youtube;rWu9SEerxkU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWu9SEerxkU[/video]

 

In that scenario, I'm sure they would instead try to trade out of the #1 spot. Which, I'm guessing might be easier now with the new CBA???

 

Who trades in though? I think Seattle will be out of range and even if they aren't I doubt they do a trade. Indy's going to trade up and make some crazy trade? I don't know about that. KC? Maybe KC does it, we'll see how many wins they finish with. I think they might even win 4-5 games and not be in the discussion.

Luck going #1 isn't guaranteed.

 

Yes it is...

 

I don't see how any team wouldn't be willing to trade 2, or even 3 first round picks for Andrew Luck.

 

Would the Rams take Luck over Bradford though?

 

A lot of people will say no. But I don't see how you let a little burned cap space stop you from taking the best prospect in sports history.

 

Frankly I think they do it, especially if another team is offering a high draft pick for the previous guy. They probably can Steve at the end of the year (great choice for Dolphin DC).

If we had a pick that high I wouldn't oppose trading it for Bradford. He's made accurate throw after throw on the NFL level.

 

The Rams have way too much money invested in Bradford to draft Luck. They're currently the only team conceivable that would pass on Luck.

 

It's getting just a tad bit silly, my friend.

 

How so? Who has ever been this highly touted? Theres virtually zero flaws in his game. Peyton Manning was a great prospect, but there were a few questions about his game.

 

No. The Rams already invested a lot in Bradford. If they get the #1 overall pick, they're going to have auction to the team that gives a best offer(trades). Luckily, the Rams plays in the NFC West.

 

Alright alright, you want to throw out sarcasm.

 

No one. But maybe he's just that good?

 

No sarcasm bro.

Actually, LeBron James was pretty much at the same level as a prospect. But I can't think of anyone that above that level.

 

I don't follow basketball, so there's that. As far as the NFL goes, I can genuinely say that he's the best QB prospect I've ever seen. I wouldn't say he's without flaws, but I would say that his flaws are nitpicking compared to what you usually see in even the most highly touted first round prospects.

 

LeBron may have been the prospect ever in any sport. He would've been the #1 pick and an NBA all star at age 16. Just a complete physical freak of nature.

 

Good example. Andrew Luck is the LeBron James of the 2012 NFL draft. That's what is pretty much at stake.




And No, I don't think the Rams take Luck #1. It would be dumb... They (almost) have to trade down.

1. Bradford is talented. Flashed all sorts of potential last year. Has ZERO talent around him this year and is struggling.
2. Bradford got PAID....
3. Drafting 2 Franchise QB in 3 years is ******ed. This isn't SD where you had Brees (a 2nd rounder on a rookie contract) who struggled until the year SD drafted Rivers. Had Brees played at a high level, SD never drafts Manning to trade out. They thought they were in need of a franchise QB.
4. If Eli Manning got San Diego Rivers, 1st round pick next year, and a 3rd round pick, Luck could conceivably bring you even more, especially with a rookie cap. They might even be able to get a Ricky Williams type deal...

Get more picks, surround Sam Bradford with talent (2 franchise QB are worthless with that roster) and build your club. Bradford in year 3 with some young talent is better than Bradford and Luck, and maybe trading Bradford for future picks while current team is still terrible with another Rookie QB.

 

With all due respect to Sam Bradford, if St. Louis finishes with the worst record in the league, then I would safely say Bradford isn't among the top-5 QBs in the league. I don't care how little talent is around him.

Andrew Luck is a much better prospect than Sam Bradford. Thats not a knock on Bradford, but just the reality of how good Luck is. There certainly would be a big cap hit with trading Bradford, but you eat it if it means you get Andrew Luck. Trade Bradford for two firsts and move on.

In regards to trade value, I would venture to guess three 1st round picks would be fair value for Andrew Luck this year. I wouldn't be surprised if teams were willing to pony up more.

 

Roughly a 35 million dollar cap hit. Luck is good, but he's not that good.

 

Listen if I'm offered Barkley and two first round picks by a team as bad as the Kansas City Chiefs I'm listening. Barkley and Jones are great prospects in their own right. We're potentially talking about three high first round picks. With the added value of those picks over the next few years that could mean one pick by itself could be spun into more and rebuild an entire franchise from top to bottom.

When the post-season gets here there are going to be some serious questions regarding Luck vs. Barkley and the other quarterbacks. If Jake Locker went 7 last year, I don't question at all whether Barkley should go top 3. It isn't always that first guy that becomes the best QB.

 

I don't like Barkley and/or Jones.

I feel at least one, if not both of those guys will be busts.

Luck is the one I want.

 

Why would Sam Bradford be a top 5 QB in his second year? Especially considering the talent on the team. Andrew Luck may have been a better prospect than Sam Bradford, but Sam Bradford was still a hell of a prospect. Still has tremendous upside. And as far as the cap hit and trading SB for two first round picks... This isn't madden. Sam Bradford isn't worth 2 first round picks anyway.

ATEOTD, Sam Bradford is the reigning rookie of the year, set a bunch of rookie passing records, almost got his team into the playoffs. Luck has yet to step on an NFL field, and you're telling me you think the Rams are going to eat 35+ million dollars, set the franchise back 2-3 years for Luck's development (which will be like Bradford's, rough with no WR, TE, O-line, RB, etc.... when they could get 2-3 1st round picks, and some help for Bradford?

*Keyshawn Johnson* Come on man...

 

Why did I double post?

 

I hate to say but when has anything really gone the Dolphins way in the last 15 years. I bet he ends up on the Colts.