Merged:Vontae Davis Traded to Colts

"Rouk wrote:

so we have traded our best 2 players so far and the season hasn't started not bad

Best two players??????

Davis never lived up to his pick, and this year he was a joke.
Marshall? Please, I remember his drops more than his catches.

"Section126 wrote:

LOL. Not very good? The Colts will win more games than us. The more I watch them, they have the look of a 7 or 8 win team. Luck is that good.

Agreed.

"Ozzy wrote:

Maybe Ireland can find a Cb with that pick because now they need one. Oh and a Safety, and another Safety and 3 Wr's and a Lb'er and another pass rusher.

Yippie! This team never rebuilds! They just keep building from scratch.

Sad but true.

"MonstBlitz wrote:

I know you love Jeff Ireland, but seriously? You're going to buy into the depth chart bull****? And ignore how dominant he's been for us?

VD was certainly the most physical, and definitely more of a playmaker than SS ever was or ever will be.

"pennphinfan wrote:

why does everyone assume the colts will be a top 5 or even top 10 pick? This was an elite team 2 years ago, and while Luck is no Manning (...yet) they still have many of the same pieces. I would not at all be surprised to see the Colts be a .500 team or better

Have you looked at their roster? I'm not saying they won't be good in a year or two but they will struggle this season against most teams (just not Jacksonville).

Seems to be that the Dolphins are getting rid of similar players. Both Marshall and Davis had questionable character and weren't exactly the obedient, hard working blue collar guys that Philbin seems to prefer. From what we've seen from Philbin, he's serious, meticulous and a disciplinarian. Guys like Marshall and Davis don't fit that. All the talent in the world, but not the right attitude for this team it seems.

There is a reason Vontae was behind Marshall, and it wasn't physical ability.

I think Dansby might be gone next year. Not this year as I don't think the fan base and Ross could take it, but I think he'll be gone in 2013.

Who knows whether its bad or good, but I think if Philbin gets the guys that buy into how he runs things, this team will be better off than with a bunch of physically gifted guys that aren't on the same page.

"Section126 wrote:

What does one have to do with the other?

How many games did Roethlisberger win in his rookie year? He's no Peyton Manning either.

Steelers were a far more talented team then the Colts in Ben R's rook season

Cripes this yr will be dreadful, who in the hell is running this team?

I agree 100% with the critics, but realize these are all knee jerk reactions.

The CB corp is not decimated. There is every possibility that he takes that 2nd and flips it for a guy like Mike Wallace or Cliff Avril before the season begins. What would we say then?

"slickj101 wrote:

lmao at most of these replies. Every player who leaves Miami is suddenly a HOF I guess

Decent value for VD but more importantly what do we do with this pick?

With Ireland, who the **** knows and thats what scares and why I loathe this trade.

"padre31 wrote:

Yeah, playmakers are so overated, who needs Int's?

Could see it coming but my goodness, do not watch this season, it will be dreadful

It may end up being a bad season for us, but we dumped a backup cb for a 2nd. VD is nothing more than average, so why not try to improve?

This has nothing to do with rebuilding. You don't trade a solid, 24 year old CB when you're rebuilding. Those are the guys you build AROUND.

This is about Vontae not buying in and not making the most of his opportunities.

"dolfan22 wrote:

BenVolinPBP profile

BenVolinPBP RT @VontaeDavis21: Thank GOD for keeping me in the right direction!!!!! #BLESSED

Someones happy.

Happy to go somewhere he can go back to dragging his ass. He couldn't take it because he is lazy and just not very smart.

"dolfan22 wrote:

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BenVolinPBP RT @VontaeDavis21: Thank GOD for keeping me in the right direction!!!!! #BLESSED

Someones happy.

I'd be happy too if I got demoted from CB1 to CB3 in less than a year then be traded to a team that is awful at cornerback.

"Section126 wrote:

What does one have to do with the other?

How many games did Roethlisberger win in his rookie year? He's no Peyton Manning either.

I was just using a blanket statement, as you frequently do.

The Colts are an AWFUL team. That defense will be dreadful, I don't care how good Luck is, they are a 6 win team.

The one thing that scares me the most is that this is another 2nd round pick this FO can screw up, lol.

"Section126 wrote:

let's recap.....we paid a #1 for Vontae...and he is a player on the improve......

so of course...sell him for a #2.

FIRE IRELAND NOW. This guy is an incompetent fool and has now sold off two of our best assets for less than he paid for them, while they were improving.

If you are a real Dolphin fan, you are rooting for 1-15 so Ireland gets canned for sure. The guy flat out sucks.

A. We used a #25 pick on Vontae hoping he'd become more than he is right now, so I'm not sure why you think he's still worth what we paid for him.
Top 42 pick seems about right.

B. Ireland wouldn't make this move w/o consulting the coaching staff for input.

C. Some would say that real fans don't root for their team to lose. Just sayin. I'd rather see all these moves pay off and watch the team blossom than hope the moves fail just to have a reason to fire Ireland.

D. What I think some fans need to understand is that we, as fans, get emotionally attached to our players and become upset when we lose them, where as the coaching staff & front office have to separate the emotional side from the business end of it.

"dolfan22 wrote:

BenVolinPBP profile

BenVolinPBP RT @VontaeDavis21: Thank GOD for keeping me in the right direction!!!!! #BLESSED

Someones happy.

"God" certainly was not pushing him to work hard or be consistent here. If "the right direction" was being lazy and not living up to his vast potential then "God" did a great job.

Good ****ing riddance.

All that being said, what happens if/when Smith gets injured?

KLV760 By loading up on draft picks, Ireland may have sealed his fate. Next draft could determine much of #Dolphins future. Trust Ireland?

KLV760 Tannehill being good will help Ireland, but T-Hill will only be successful with pass-catchers. That looks pretty solid. #Dolphins

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Simply saying, "that's not true," is a pretty bad argument. I'll assume it's because you can't refute the FACTS that I just listed.

Those weren't "facts".

Those were your opinion. You don't know a single player in that locker room to make any of the statements you made.

Learn the definition of "facts".

"2xBlown wrote:

All that being said, what happens if/when Smith gets injured?

Because every other team has a bunch of All-Pro back-ups waiting in the wings...

I'm sick of "trusting" Ireland. All he's done is jettisoned the Dolphins best players for draft picks he has spent on bums. He is a failed GM. And he'll continue to be a failed GM. He is a cancer.

I wonder what the leadership council thinks of this....

"pocoloco wrote:

I agree 100% with the critics, but realize these are all knee jerk reactions.

The CB corp is not decimated. There is every possibility that he takes that 2nd and flips it for a guy like Mike Wallace or Cliff Avril before the season begins. What would we say then?

The CB group is indeed decimated. We now have three CBs rather than the usual five.

As for trading a 2nd for Mike Wallace… not only is Wallace not on the market, as the Steelers refuse to listen to offers for him, but his tender is for a 1st and 3rd round pick.

Lastly, when has Ireland ever flipped a trade? No, seriously—when did he ever trade one player and use those assets to acquire talent at another position? He sits on draft picks, just as Parcells taught him.

"steveincolorado wrote:

It may end up being a bad season for us, but we dumped a backup cb for a 2nd. VD is nothing more than average, so why not try to improve?

Ever glance at the int's our secondary have had through their careers?

Yeah, they suck at it, VD was a lockdown Cb, who created int's, we got a #2 pick..next yr.

That's nice..uhm..meanwhile..2012?

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

This has nothing to do with rebuilding. You don't trade a solid, 24 year old CB when you're rebuilding. Those are the guys you build AROUND.

This is about Vontae not buying in and not making the most of his opportunities.

It's probably that, along with the belief that we could get an impact player at a greater position of need, like WR.

"Stringer Bell wrote:

No, you just explained why it was a smart move. Richard Marshall is better than Davis.

He is not. By any measure. Thus why nobody would give you a 2nd rounder for Richard Marshall.