[Merged] Dolphins-Skins talking swap of Anthony Armstrong for Steve Slaton

IMO He fits the slot better than anyone else on the team. I'm not really a fan of Bess in the slot and Hartline doesn't fit it for sure. Your slot man can be your deep threat as well, it doesn't have to be the shifty guy who lacks top end speed.


I can imagine us running bootlegs with AA in the slot running deep drags across the field, posts/corners, obviously some go routes.

 

If we can get Armstrong and Jones this season and draft the proper wideout or 2 next season that should hopefully do it.

 

Yes, because Dan Henning's offense wasn't designed around utilizing a deep threat at all, right?

 

I don't see Jones if Packers are asking for a 2nd. That is way too much for a guy older than Marshall and not a number one.

 

How many snaps was the #4 WR getting in that offense?

 

Didn't know it was a 2nd. That is too much, i would do a 4th with possible conditional to a 3rd.

 

It's not a 2nd, not a 3rd, not anything. This entire trade talk is all internet speculation.

 

Based on the fact that Gates and Cunningham were cut. It is obvious that Ireland doesn't do a great deal of in-depth analysis prior to drafting WR's. Gates was the only WR Ireland selected in 2011 and Cunningham was the first of two receivers pick by Ireland in the 2012 draft. So I would assume my' "in-depth analysis", of Armstrong is just as effective as Ireland's, when it comes to judging WR's in the NFL.

 

You didn't answer the question.

 

I'm saying he wouldn't have seen the field, despite his skillset.

 

Ted Ginn saw the field.

 

For those interested, the top-5 WRs in terms of yds/target in 2010:


Mike Wallace PIT 13.51612903
DeSean Jackson PHI 11.47826087
Anthony Armstrong WAS 11.16666667
Mario Manningham NYG 10.97674419
Greg Jennings GB 10.54166667

 

Armstrong is a better deep threat than Ginn, but he's not a better all-around WR.

 

So basically what you're saying is, people here are getting excited about a guy Ireland is about to acquire who isn't as good as Ted Ginn?

 

No, he's a better fit for what they're looking for than Ted Ginn. Whether Anthony Armstrong is something to get excited about is certainly debatable though. They aren't giving anything up, so I don't see any reason to fuss over it.

 

AA is better then Ginn at Wr, but does not return kicks and punts.

 

I really like Steve Slaton. IMO, I think he could be a really nice back in our system.
I see him going over to Washington and being a really good fit for Shannahan. When he has a nice season, I can see the forum already.

As far as Anthony Armstrong, he does provide a deep threat. He does provide a little production. However, I caution the enthusiasm. I mean Ashley Lelie had a heckuva year and led the league in YPC. Does he improve the depth? Yes. However, I think if you give Anthony Armstrong vs. Steve Slaton a shot in our offense, I think Slaton is more valuable. I'm not impressed with Daniel Thomas.

 

And when did the Giants cut Victor Cruz?

 

We got Bess out of college. The context of the reply was that Armstrong was developed in Washington after leaving here. Welker was/is the only player I could think of who'd been developed here after already being on another roster.

 

Based on what, other than 1 fan's opinion?

 

His numbers have been pretty consistent throughout his career. Go look at what he did in Tennessee.

In fact, his first two years in TN and last two years in Miami are almost identical.

 

Nothing more than my opinion. Unfortunately the site I get my "all-around WR" stats from is down

 

So wait, by "developing" players is that a weird kind of moving goalpost thing that is pretty much unobtainable but all for a handful of NFL players to reach, or we actually talking about them "developing" players?

 

I used the same metric you used to determine that Armstrong had been developed in Washington. So there you go.

 

OR the Dolphins simply didn't know what they had in Armstrong? No, that couldn't be it because they have a proven track record of evaluating talent here, well, Ireland does at least.

 

Or at the moment they had to make a decision and AA hadn't shown enough to that point?

 

Don't give Stringer Bell a hard time. This is merely his , "in depth analysis", of Armstrong, compared to Ginn. Exactly what that analysis was is beyond me. He is always quick to differ with others opinion if he doesn't agree, by questioning the, "in depth analysis", of a persons comments on this forum.

The fact that he consistently expresses his own opinion without any analysis, seems to escape him.

 

Gotta love these armchair GM's Alex. Nobody was really complaining when AA got cut the first time.

 

I have no idea what you are talking about and am rapidly getting the idea I'm not the only one.

 

You said this:

So hey, he turned around and developed. Not Ireland's fault.

 

Nobody here makes 3 Million a year to run an professional sports franchise either, so...

 

He was on the PS for an entire year and had two camps under his belt, so no.

 

If you have Armstrong at FL, James Jones at SE, and Bess in the slot you've got a competent WR core.

 

If cutting him meant losing him and then having to pay a price for him, yes that would be a comparable circumstance.

Jeff Ireland is already being criticized for buying high and selling low on Vontae Davis. If he trades for Anthony Armstrong, he's doing the same thing, selling low then buying back high.

In reality it's more indicative of a stop-loss strategy, but it does accentuate the word to the right of that hyphen. LOSS.

 

This happens to every GM. How do you think we ended up with Nate Garner? Jets cut him as a 7th rounder in the same year they drafted him and we got a solid rotational guard out of it.

Hey I guess San Diego's GM is horrible also since he cut Wes Welker.

This happens to all GM's out there.

Were also talking about a trade of cuts going on here. Slaton was going to get cut. Armstrong was going to get cut. Lets knock it off with the melodramatics's ok?

 

Having to give up Steve Slaton to get back a player you let go isn't a big deal.

 

That means pretty much nothing though. He could have been performing poorly at that point, or not at a level that made him worth keeping. We basically get/got someone else to develop him and get him back pretty much free in this scenario. Players go to new teams and sometimes the light goes on for them there. You're criticizing an evaluation by Ireland when you have no idea what the criteria he was evaluating was.