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[Merged] Dolphins-Eagles in Major Talks for #12 Pick

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by CANEPHINS, Apr 22, 2010.

  1. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    I know im in the minority here Im sure but I hate these types of deals. Moving down is stupid as hell most of the time..

    SO instead of getting a 95% lock STUD (immediately starting caliber player) for a position of need on a defense that is the weakest link now.. We trade to #24 meaning the sure fire studs are gone and now your getting second round talent who may or may not be a stud eventually.

    This team needs playmakers If we can get a good player at #12 we need to do it.. Way to many holes this year and I have no doubt were going to suffer this year again do to the defense.
     
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  2. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    That's fine with me, I can see Ryan Matthews an option there, if they feel they can move Ronnie...maybe get back that 2nd rounder from next year...
     
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  3. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    This draft is very deep, especially at OLB and we have plenty of holes to fill.
     
  4. High Definition

    High Definition No Smoke / No Drink 2011+

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    I'd rather 24, 55, and 87 but I'd take 24 and 37.

    God I hope we can still get Hughes or Graham at 24.

    Would highly highly consider Golden Tate at 37.
     
  5. pocoloco

    pocoloco I'm your huckleberry Club Member

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    Taylor Mays
     
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  6. Two Tacos

    Two Tacos Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If Berry is there and we make this trade, I'm not going to be happy. Not at all.
     
  7. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    Mike Mayock just said the Eagles want Earl Thomas and would need to get to 12-14 to take him.
     
  8. High Definition

    High Definition No Smoke / No Drink 2011+

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    we do not need another strong safety.
     
  9. Caps

    Caps Movimiento Juvenil

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    I agree that we need playmakers but as you said we also have too many holes. At the very least we need two starters out of this draft at SOLB and FS, and that's assuming Wake and Ferg/Soliai/Late Rounder can hold it down at WOLB and NT respectively. If you can pick up extra picks in the top 80, especially in this deep draft, you have to if you're us IMO.

    I think the FO knows this, which is why they acquired Dansby and Marshall to be the playmakers on both sides of the ball in the hopes of trading down and picking up solid starters at positions of need.
     
  10. CANEPHINS

    CANEPHINS No Tats & Dreads Allowed

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    Not only is this draft deep...but that 35th pick in the 2nd round will probably = getting first round talent for 2nd round price. That is deep! It is crucial for us to have a 2nd this year and it also means that so far we would have only given up a 2nd next year for Marshall and we would have moved up in the 2nd round this year.

    Works for me!
     
  11. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    First thing that popped in my head. Phins move back draft Mathews, add a high second trade Ronnie for a high 3rd and all of a sudden we got Marshall, got younger at RB and picked up two high picks.

    Im not a trade Ronnie advocate but it wouldnt be a horrible scenario.
     
  12. CANEPHINS

    CANEPHINS No Tats & Dreads Allowed

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    Odds are Berry won't make it past Cleveland. Thomas though should be there at 12, mainly because there will a run on OL ahead of that. I would love for us to have Thomas...but I would love for us to trade down and get back a high 2nd (plus whatever else) in return even more!
     
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  13. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Token Gay Dolfan

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    24 we could get a safety, 35 we could get Mt. Cody.

    That'd be great.
     
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  14. CANEPHINS

    CANEPHINS No Tats & Dreads Allowed

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    Would be nice...but I think the Chargers are going to do whatever they need to do in order to make sure they draft him. I know Houston would love to have him as well.
     
  15. HULKFish

    HULKFish Artist and Scribe

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    That would be awesome! I like the look of Taylor Mays and Mt. Cody but don't really know much about Mays other than his intangibles... He's a FS isn't he?
     
  16. LandShark13

    LandShark13 New Member

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    He is although he's built like a linebacker. In fact if he put on 20 lbs of muscle he would be a good size LB. He's got great straight line speed bot some people think he has trouble turning his hips and will struggle at the next level. I'm anxious to see how he does as he reminds me a lot of Louis Oliver.
     
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  17. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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    I dont have a value chart or anyting but does a last second from them validate dropping 12 spots in the first?
     
  18. CANEPHINS

    CANEPHINS No Tats & Dreads Allowed

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    Yes. It basically balances out.

    12=1200
    24=740
    35=550

    So it is 1200 vs 1290
     
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  19. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    2.fs or mt cody...........
     
  20. LandShark13

    LandShark13 New Member

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    It depends on with who we trade with. Here....

    [TABLE="head"]Rnd 1|Value|Rnd 2|Value|Rnd 3|Value|Rnd 4|Value|Rnd 5|Value|Rnd 6|Value|Rnd 7|Value
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    2|2,600|34|560|66|260|98|108|130|42.0|162|26.6|194|13.8
    3|2,200|35|550|67|255|99|104|131|41.0|163|26.2|195|13.4
    4|1,800|36|540|68|250|100|100|132|40.0|164|25.8|196|13.0
    5|1,700|37|530|69|245|101|96|133|39.5|165|25.4|197|12.6
    6|1,600|38|520|70|240|102|92|134|39.0|166|25.0|198|12.2
    7|1,500|39|510|71|235|103|88|135|38.5|167|24.6|199|11.8
    8|1,400|40|500|72|230|104|86|136|38.0|168|24.2|200|11.4
    9|1,350|41|490|73|225|105|84|137|37.5|169|23.8|201|11.0
    10|1,300|42|480|74|220|106|82|138|37.0|170|23.4|202|10.6
    11|1,250|43|470|75|215|107|80|139|36.5|171|23|203|10.2
    12|1,200|44|460|76|210|108|78|140|36.0|172|22.6|204|9.8
    13|1,150|45|450|77|205|109|76|141|35.5|173|22.2|205|9.4
    14|1,100|46|440|78|200|110|74|142|35.0|174|21.8|206|9.0
    15|1,050|47|430|79|195|111|72|143|34.5|175|21.4|207|8.6
    16|1,000|48|420|80|190|112|70|144|34.0|176|21.0|208|8.2
    17|950|49|410|81|185|113|68|145|33.5|177|20.6|209|7.8
    18|900|50|400|82|180|114|66|146|33.0|178|20.2|210|7.4
    19|875|51|390|83|175|115|64|147|32.6|179|19.8|211|7.0
    20|850|52|380|84|170|116|62|148|32.2|180|19.4|212|6.6
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    23|760|55|350|87|155|119|56|151|31.0|183|18.2|215|5.4
    24|740|56|340|88|150|120|54|152|30.6|184|17.8|216|5.0
    25|720|57|330|89|145|121|52|153|30.2|185|17.4|217|4.6
    26|700|58|320|90|140|122|50|154|29.8|186|17.0|218|4.2
    27|680|59|310|91|136|123|49|155|29.4|187|16.6|219|3.8
    28|660|60|300|92|132|124|48|156|29.0|188|16.2|220|3.4
    29|640|61|292|93|128|125|47|157|28.6|189|15.8|221|3.0
    30|620|62|284|94|124|126|46|158|28.2|190|15.4|222|2.6
    31|600|63|276|95|120|127|45|159|27.8|191|15.0|223|2.3
    32|590|64|270|96|116|128|44|160|27.4|192|14.6|224|2.0[/TABLE]
     
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  21. rafael

    rafael Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Mays is a classic looks like Tarzan plays like Jane type. He will never be a FS in the NFL. The question is whether he'll be a SS or a LB. Lacks instincts in both the passing game and the running game. But he is a superior athlete so somebody will always believe they can coach him up. I expect that he'll last in the league b/c of that alone, but he'll probably never be good.
     
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  22. bryan324

    bryan324 Holla, Purple Drank!!

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    why not go usf with two picks? jason pierre-paul, and nate allen in the second?
     
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  23. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Ummm...small point.

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-round/dt-by-round-input:2

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-team/dt-by-team-input:phi

    Eagles have #37 in 2nd from Skins - their original 2nd is #55.

    so which is it?
     
  24. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Our #12 = 1,200

    Phil #24 = 740, the #37 from Skins = 530 totals 1270

    but #55 = 350 inlcuding #24 totals 1090
     
  25. Striking

    Striking Junior Member

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    + # 70 = 240

    So we throw back a 5th or 6th.
     
  26. orangefinfan

    orangefinfan New Member

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    I don't know about you guys, but I see bust written all over JasonPierre Paul. I dont want no part of him.
     
  27. #1dolphinsfan

    #1dolphinsfan New Member

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    Great News
     
  28. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Sure, if they throw in extra picks if its #55 instead of #37 fine....but wouldnt do it if its #24 and #55 only.

    If its #24 and #37 I would be fine with it.
     
  29. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If Berry is there at 12, no deal because we take Berry.
     
  30. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    No way Berry is there.
     
  31. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Unfortunately those extra 90 points are the equivalent of a high 4th round pick.

    If the deal is for #24 and #37, I think Miami will send something back or start swapping spots.

    High Def and I were playing this game the last week in Club.

    Here was part of my scenario involving #55 (I'd quoted a post, so if some of it doesn't read clearly, that's why).

    And Brandon Marshall. :tongue:
     
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  32. Georgia Fin

    Georgia Fin Fin For Life

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    Thanks, Muck. I really like the way that 12 pick draft lays out. It would leave us pretty stout on the top tier of picks. We could only be so lucky for it to happen though.
     
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  33. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    Hopefully the Eagles like that as well.
     
  34. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    I would be happy with that....think we could beef up the D in significant areas and depth with that combination.
     
  35. FinFan316

    FinFan316 Banned

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    there would be a mutiny in Miami if that nonsense happened.
     
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  36. Deus ex dolphin

    Deus ex dolphin Well-Known Member

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    I'd take #24 and #55 if they add a third rounder in 2011. Getting greedy and losing out on a good player in round 2 would be a mistake.
     
  37. FinFan316

    FinFan316 Banned

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    If Dez is still there, depending on who is still on the board, you might consider trading back again. Or, taking him.

    Alot of you are too young to remember, but when the 84 or 84 (cant remember exactly) season ended, Thurman Thomas (ironically from OkSt) was pegged as an early first rounder. As time went on, he wasn't as big or fast as he played, so he dropped.

    The guy had an incredible chip on his shoulder forever. If Dez is still there, he would probably have more to prove than almost anyone in the draft and that could possibly have a great effect on him. And since we would be getting an early second, it might be worth if for us to take him at 24. IF,,,,thats where we pick.
     
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  38. FinFan316

    FinFan316 Banned

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    I have convinced myself after last years disasterous pick of Pat White that the FO just made a serious mistake...they aren't stupid. If they pick Tebow, they will indeed be stupid. Unless hes there in the fifth round, you leave his happy, motivated, Preacher *** on the board.
     
  39. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Thanks all.

    As we all know, this draft is loaded. We all agree that there will be a solid, solid player there at 12. But again, this draft is an uncommonly strong class. It's not a year where you want to be sitting out in the early rounds.

    As such, that second round void is a gaping hole for the guys in Aqua.

    Philly has additional picks in the second, third and fourth rounds. Realize how rare it is for a team with that kind of early-round ammo to want to make a deal with you in the first place. Much less when you're desperately looking to get back into the second round game. That is quite a fortuitous situation to be in.

    So with all that said, I think the Dolphins will do everything possible to do a deal with the Eagles.
     
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