[Merged] Dolphins and County agree on framework for stadium deal...

A few counters, none of which will change the mind of someone really entrenched in their views, but i could say:

1. Return to the city's investment. You have to invest to gain. Investing in this stadium will bring more and varied sporting events to the city which will bring money. The extent of the income from these events is debatable.
2. The money will be used. Counting on the sorry state of south Florida politics, whether this year or next, whether this deal or another, the politicians will award the money for something, and more likely than not, they will mess up the deal. Better spend it on something like the Dolphins, than have Marlins Stadium part deux.

 

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I think its pressure from Goodell & his fellow owners. That don't want that precident set that he pays for it himself. Its not good for them for the future. On top of that Ross wants to play nicey-nice since he is at their mercy for future Super Bowls. In a way he's in a no win situation but its one that he did to himself because of his selfish whim to own an NFL team. He didn't think through and research all the things involved with owning an NFL franchise. With the good, there is always the bad.

 

I believe Gallup did a poll over this past weekend that showed a 78% against number. That is a HUGE amount to overcome in just 4 weeks.

 

Benefit > cost.

Also, I don't think it's truly a $200M subsidy. Closer to $100M IMO.

 

I guess you haven't been listening to TV, radio or reading the newspaper then.

 

Even the harshest critics estimate between $50-$100M from each SB.

 

Link?

 

I asked a cynical and rhetorical question. Of course they don't expect to take 30 years to be paid, so the money has to come from somewhere.

 

Right, and as has been stated ad nauseum, Stephen Ross is providing the upfront money. Not sure why a rhetorical question is necessary?

 

Other owners & Goodell.....it's the reason.

 

He needs to be putting up 100% for it, period. Its his private property & business that is made to benefit his wallet. Do it himself and forget this charade.

 

Well no, its not just his business. Majority of businesses across Miami/Dade endorse this plan as well. They will all benefit.

Can you name any business groups opposing this plan?

 

And for the sake of clarity, practically 100% of the upfront costs are being put up by Ross, and most of the subsidies will be repaid after 30 years. The only subsidies not being repaid are the tax rebates. So essentially after 30 years, all Ross will have received from Miami would be the opportunity to keep sales tax money.

 

Huh ? Has the NFL signed an agreement with the County to do that ? Ross isn't in charge of what the NFL does, and unless they sign an agreement that is binding with $ penalties with the NFL this is an incredibly silly argument.

I seriously doubt the NFL will ever compromise their right to negotiate with who they want to do business with, especially when it doesn't matter to them except they get the best bargain that they can.

A promise to TRY to get those events is far from a binding enforceable document with Goodell's signature on it. Until I see that document, its a laughable statement.

 

This is disgusting then. Ross should be ashamed of himself. Being a pig.....smh

 

Any new employment based on a Super Bowl is temporary. The Super Bowl is a week long event and other than a few businesses its not a huge boon to a local economy. Recent studies have borne this out. Especially in a town like Miami which has its highest occupancy rates at the very time the Super Bowl is held. People are employed for a "season" not for a week long event, and if they are its such a small amount of money its really negligible in the long run. Hotels make more money during the SB by up-charging that week, and some restaurants do the same. So at the same time you have some tourists here spending some extra $, you also penalize any locals that need to use those businesses.

 

And those studies claiming a "not huge boon", estimate $50-100M.

 

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They specify the following must take place within Miami/Dade:

Beyond that, the rest of the activities are private events. If Pepsi wants to throw a Super Bowl party, the Dolphins nor the NFL have any control.

But any event sponsored by the NFL absolutely will take place within Miami/Dade borders.

 

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/06/3270335/poll-dolphins-stadium-tax-deal.html

http://deadspin.com/5989010/miami-r...icly-finance-the-dolphins-stadium-renovations

Just the two I could find quickly.

 

They both cite the same poll from Moreno, but its nowhere to be found.

 

Well aren't they the only team that owns the stadium ? They should pay taxes.

 

Question about the bed tax proposal: Is it statewide or exclusive to Miami?

 

Norman Brahman is one, that is the only one I need to hear from. His opposition to the Marlins deal is enough for me to trust him on this.

 

Norman Brahman is a businessman. He's not a business group.

 

The increase is just for Miami.

 

again, Ross cannot and does not represent the NFL. The NFL is the only one that can promise this and sign an agreement to make it binding. Anything else is worth the paper it ISN'T written on.

 

Goodell signed an agreement binding him and the NFL to this ? Please show me this document.

 

Just Miami-Dade County.

 

No, Goodell didn't. The proposal states that if those events do not take place within Miami, then there is a severe monetary penalty that the Miami Dolphins have to pay the county.

 

Many business groups, especially construction businesses also endorsed the Marlins Park deal.

 

How much ? A few hundred thousand dollars ? If I am the NFL I tell Ross that is your problem and do what I want.

 

The commissioners are voting whether or not to hold a referendum right now. 3 dissenters so far and it just started.

 

Hold on, just so we are clear, you don't know what the penalty is? I think at this point, it is prudent to share the following:

 

Interesting, although my understanding is that these comissioners are for the deal, they just don't think it should go to refferendum.

Fins might get this thing passed today without a vote. #America

 

Now you're just making up stuff. The location of the ancillary events is all included in the bid submitted by the local SB committee. The last host was "South Florida" and future events will be hosted by Miami-Dade.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/02/21/3245612/broward-doesnt-plan-to-sit-out.html#storylink=cpy
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That would be interesting. Are you sure that can be done?

 

They aren't voting to approve the plan. They're voting to approve putting it to referendum.

 

Don't see why not. This is the first vote on anything that they've had. There is no law requiring a referendum, the Fins just agreed to it because the plan looked DOA at both the county and state levels. They never set the referendum date.

I think the only vote they've had prior to this was to allow the Mayor to negotiate a deal, which he's done.