Merged: Darren Mcfadden is a must....

Is there someone out there that would actually root for Ronnie Brown rather than the Dolphins? Must be an Auburn Tigers fan instead.

McFadden could be the pick, but then again a talent like Dorsey may be too much to pass up. Our D-Line needs a lot of help, and Dorsey is an extreme talent at DT. Ronnie Brown is likely to be ready to go for next season, and should be close to his dominating self by 2009. Only problem with McFadden is that you now would have two of the top paid running backs in the NFL on the same team. Why not just go with Ronnie, Lorezno, Chatman, Ricky and draft someone in a later round?

Dorsey may be the more logical move.

How many McFadden threads will we have before the draft. 1000 over or under. That should be the next poll.

"minus wrote:

I'm sorry to all you Brown fans out there. Ronnie will take two year to fully recover from the injury and on top of that he might not be same player. You just can't pass up on talent like Mcfadden.

ok...you've done the easy part and proclaimed McFadden a must have can't-miss prospect that the Dolphins have to draft.

now please explain how the dolphins build a team with almost $60 million guaranteed tied up at halfback.

"Nublar7 wrote:

Dorsey may be the more logical move.

He is not logical at all.

If Dorsey is drafted by the Miami Dolphins, my new signature will be FIRE RANDY MUELLER.

We take a quarterback.

We take a receiver.

We take an offensive tackle.

We take a corner.

We take a defensive end.

We take anybody that helps stop the oppositions passing game or helps our passing game advance. We don't use the first pick in the draft to stop the run. We might use the 32 pick for that. We might use the 50 pick for that. We use the FIRST PICK IN THE DRAFT for the passing game.

........or Randy Mueller has no balls!

Why wouldn't we use the first pick to fill the biggest whole on our team? Teams have been constantly running the ball down our throats. If we stopped the run, we'd have a chance at keeping other teams from scoring, at the very least, from other teams controlling the clock. It's a pipe dream to think that they are going to draft a QB or a WR with any of the 1st or 2nd round picks. It seems like when we had a healthy Ronnie, we were doing pretty well on offense, and, once he went down, our offense really started to suck. Our o-line has been far better than our d-line, so, I'd expect them to draft for the D before they draft for the O.

If you have a guy in the middle of your DL who can penetrate and requires double and triple teams, that helps you stop the pass.

"Zod wrote:

We take anybody that helps stop the oppositions passing game or helps our passing game advance. We don't use the first pick in the draft to stop the run. We might use the 32 pick for that. We might use the 50 pick for that. We use the FIRST PICK IN THE DRAFT for the passing game.

........or Randy Mueller has no balls!

You really don't seem to appreciate the importance of stopping the run.

Here's a quick stat for you for this year, and I challenge you to find any other year where these numbers aren't similar.

COMBINED WINNING % OF TEAMS IN TOP-10 IN RUSH D - 0.633
COMBINED WINNING % OF TEAMS IN BOTTOM-10 RUSH D - 0.322

Just for kicks...I did the the same for pass d

COMBINED WINNING % OF TEAMS IN TOP-10 IN PASS D - 0.533
COMBINED WINNING % OF TEAMS IN BOTTOM-10 PASS D - 0.521

Looks like stopping the run is pretty important for winning football games. Good pass D seems to be hit or miss.

For the Dolphins this year at 0-12....they rank #32 in rush defense and #3 in pass defense.

Is there a way for me to donate money to finheaven for I can have access to the Vip forum? I'm tired of the same, stupid threads.

I have paypal.

Caution!

We are all choosing Glenn Dorsey out of caution. I was doing it myself for the past couple of weeks. You look and you say -

"We have never been in this position. Look at all the others that tried and failed."

You do not want to pick a QB, WR, Corner, or DE/LB out of fear of failure. The fear of some talking head saying you picked this but you need this. All GM's whether they have failed or not say the same thing about this pick and a stud QB.

"If you are position to draft a QB, you draft the QB. If you already have one - good now you have two for the time when the other goes down to injury........and he's going to go down to injury."

Now you must say to yourself that there is not an NFL QB in this bunch. To that I say, "Okay, who is the next person that can help our passing game." It isn't Glenn Dorsey.

This isn't any old pick people. Randy Mueller can pick any college football player in the country! General Managers are paid for this pick. Put your balls on the table!

"burger13 wrote:

You really don't seem to appreciate the importance of stopping the run.

No! No! I appreciate stopping the run. I just know what a dynamic passing game does to the defense that is "stopping the run." I don't need the statistics. I've seen them all. I saw them all when the Miami Dolphins were top ten in both categories for consecutive years........

AND THEY STILL MISSED THE PLAYOFFS!

Who was in the playoffs?

Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Trent Green
Matt Hasselbeck
Kurt Warner
Brett Favre
Ben Roethlisberger
Drew Brees
Donovan McNabb

But you don't have to look at them and their rosters, stats, ect. The Miami Dolphins practically wrote the book on how to make the playoffs in today's NFL. It all started with Dan Marino. Have you not noticed that we have barely sniffed the playoffs since? And let me remind you that almost to the year - all of Dan Marino's defenses sucked!

"Zod wrote:

No! No! I appreciate stopping the run. I just know what a dynamic passing game does to the defense that is "stopping the run." I don't need the statistics. I've seen them all. I saw them all when the Miami Dolphins were top ten in both categories for consecutive years........

AND THEY STILL MISSED THE PLAYOFFS!

Who was in the playoffs?

Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Trent Green
Matt Hasselbeck
Kurt Warner
Brett Favre
Ben Roethlisberger
Drew Brees
Donovan McNabb

But you don't have to look at them and their rosters, stats, ect. The Miami Dolphins practically wrote the book on how to make the playoffs in today's NFL. It all started with Dan Marino. Have you not noticed that we have barely sniffed the playoffs since? And let me remind you that almost to the year - all of Dan Marino's defenses sucked!

So reach for a QB just because they are a QB? What seem to be the consensus top-3 players in college are NOT QB's!! Glen Dorsey, McFadden and Chris Long. Sure you can make arguments for othe guys, and what we think we know today likely won't matter by late April, but this is how it stands today. I want the BPA, but have a hard time figuring how we could make a McFadden pick work w/o a good trade offer for Ronnie, which is very unlikely because of his injury. So for me, it's who's the best player between Dorsey or Long. Pick that guy.

And as for your list of QB's....only 3 were first round picks. 4 were 5th round or later or undrafted.

Yes we need a good quarterback.....no we don't need to reach with the 1st pick to get one.

"Zod wrote:

This isn't any old pick people. Randy Mueller can pick any college football player in the country! General Managers are paid for this pick. Put your balls on the table!

and he should pick the BEST one!! Not the one who fits a need as you describe it.

"burger13 wrote:

Yes we need a good quarterback.....no we don't need to reach with the 1st pick to get one.

I never suggested we reach. Here is the thing that happens every year. These draft sites and magazines all do the same thing. They linger a couple of QB's in their top thirty. Some of them fall and some of them rise. It happens every year.

What they really waiting on is the combine. They are waiting to see what comes out at the combine. If the QB's make all the throws accurately (which they will) they will all of sudden move up to the draftniks top ten. I chalk it up to the draftniks are finally getting information from a source. Maybe the scouts are making a few extra bucks at that point. I don't think the draftniks know a damn thing about scouting. Scouting is a trait that very few in professional football are good at. That is Bill Arnspargers observation - not mine. You either have it or you don't he said.

But you wait and see.... At least two of these QBs will be rated top ten picks in all the magazines and they will fall off the board in the top five to someone. Is it a gamble? Why hell yes. That is why I said (it was really Charlie Casserly) "general managers are paid to make this pick." It is where they show their worth.

We better all think about the position the Miami Dolphins are in. They are in a position to make a substantial difference in the franchise for the next decade. I guess I'm just trying to curb the enthusiasm for the "safe pick". I don't want to hear any more booing when Randy Mueller drafts another playmaker.

The Patsies picking #2 scares me though.... Imagine if they got MCfadden? OMG, just kill me!

Lets see...
Draft McFadden who will ask for a fatter contract than Dorsey, and will complete Ronnie who led the league in total yards and chattman, who did a decent job backing him, just to eat cap space.
Or pick Dorsey..who will will in Traylor's spot who is retiring after this season indefinitely.

"minus wrote:

I'm sorry to all you Brown fans out there. Ronnie will take two year to fully recover from the injury and on top of that he might not be same player. You just can't pass up on talent like Mcfadden.

Can Macfadden play defense??? If not, no thanks

The hilarious part is the top players right now half the time aren't the top players come draft day.

McFadden will not be the pick at #1. The only certainty in life beyond death and taxes.

1. Miami Dolphins - Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
There are some, both in the media and in the general fan base, who are of the opinion that Arkansas RB Darren McFadden is a lock to be the #1 pick in the draft. With all due respect to those people, that would actually be quite unlikely unless the Dolphins trade the #1 pick, barring problems with Ronnie Brown recovering from his torn ACL. Brown has two years remaining on his contract.
Dorsey, who just won the 2007 Bronko Nagurski Trophy (beating out last year's winner, Ohio State LB James Laurinaitis), is a phenomenal talent. And the reality is that, for the Dolphins, stopping the run has been a huge problem this year. A player like Dorsey would be able to start immediately and have an instant impact in the middle. He is an elite player who has suffered through back and knee injuries and had the guts to remain on the field for LSU down the stretch.

http://www.draftking.com/nfl/2008/mockdraft.shtml

guys listen, i said it before, but that one dude, unifiedtheory said it perfectly...with Ronnie Brown contract, there is no way we draft Darren McFadden, u just cant have 2 backs on your team making a large sum of money.

its kinda like the Redskins with Jason Campbell, and Mark Brunell is the 3rd stringer, and hes making A LOT (for a third stringer, woooo).....u just cant do that. we have Jesse Chatman and Ricky Williams, just live with them!

another guy said u can find good DT talent in the later rounds....seriously all u need is a 6'4, 330 pound guy in the 4th round and make him explode. no need to draft Dorsey at #1 when u can get someone bigger later.

with that, i like Chris Long. hes amazing against the pass AND run. is he worth the #1 overall? doubt it.

we're too far away to taking a rb now.

"Zod wrote:

Caution!

We are all choosing Glenn Dorsey out of caution. I was doing it myself for the past couple of weeks. You look and you say -

"We have never been in this position. Look at all the others that tried and failed."

You do not want to pick a QB, WR, Corner, or DE/LB out of fear of failure. The fear of some talking head saying you picked this but you need this. All GM's whether they have failed or not say the same thing about this pick and a stud QB.

"If you are position to draft a QB, you draft the QB. If you already have one - good now you have two for the time when the other goes down to injury........and he's going to go down to injury."

Now you must say to yourself that there is not an NFL QB in this bunch. To that I say, "Okay, who is the next person that can help our passing game." It isn't Glenn Dorsey.

This isn't any old pick people. Randy Mueller can pick any college football player in the country! General Managers are paid for this pick. Put your balls on the table!

Ahh Zod "get's it".

A QB may be a waste though Zod, in all seriousness, not because Brohm and Ryan and even Brenan are scrubs, it's more because we are going young on the Oline next season (that is my opinion) and it is much easier to run block then to pass block.

Of course that means that Mr. Beck is going to get creamed, but those are the growing pains of a young team.

We have 6 picks and FA to shore up the defense, and only one #1 overall pick, we should take the player who has the ability to score from anywhere on the field at #1, then use the rest of the draft to shore up the "D".

The offense is as bad as the defense, why the defense is such a priority when we have a better chance of having the offense functioning first is to me, a desire to return to "wanny ball" circa 2002.

And BTW, if the price tag for McFadden is "too high" then do tell how anyone can seriously contemplate paying Samuals or Trufant 80 million?

Can they score?

I wouldnt take Mcfadden i think that Brown will come back a great player the same he was this year he got hurt early enough in the season that he will be back in time for the start of next season

i think if we took a RB in the first round it would be a mistake there are alot of really good backs in this draft and we need more things then a RB