Mel Kiper Jr.: Too soon for Dolphins to kick Chad Henne to the curb
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dolfan7171New MemberOP“I was not a huge Henne guy coming out, which a lot of people were,” Kiper said. “He was wildly inconsistent at Michigan, he was wildly inconsistent at Miami. He was great for one week, or great for a quarter or a quarter-and-a-half, and then he would revert back to being an inconsistent quarterback and leave you scratching your head. How could you miss that receiver? How could you make that decision? How could you make that throw?
“He’ll never be great mobility-wise, but he’s a big strong, tough kid, hard worker. I like Henne from that standpoint. To kick him to the curb now is premature. He’s a serviceable starting quarterback.”
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ToddsPhinsNew MemberSay it aint so, Mel. Now you'll forever be known as a Henne homer. :lol:
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dolfan22SupporterServiceable.... he is that or can be , that however is different than being the guy you win with.
He has some value but if don't feel after three years you need to be looking for the QB to lead you through a playoff run because Henne is him , that is a foolish outlook imo.
"ToddsPhins wrote:
Say it aint so, Mel. Now you'll forever be known as a Henne homer. :lol:
he said serviceable hardly a ringing endorsement - is that all you want a serviceable QB?
"dolfan22 wrote:
Serviceable.... he is that or can be , that however is different than being the guy you win with.
He has some value but if don't feel after three years you need to be looking for the QB to lead you through a playoff run because Henne is him , that is a foolish outlook imo.
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emocomputerjockNew MemberHe was an idiot for not praising Henne in the first place, and now he's a hero for suggesting Henne stick around.
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ToddsPhinsNew Member"finfaninilinois wrote:
he said serviceable hardly a ringing endorsement - is that all you want a serviceable QB?
Serviceable means you can win with him with a solid D and the PROPER supporting cast and coaching. Sorry, I'm not like you--- I don't want to just pluck one of the plethora of guys dangling from the franchise QB tree...... you know, the tree that doesn't exist.
padre31Luxury Box"ToddsPhins wrote:
Serviceable means you can win with him with a solid D and the PROPER supporting cast and coaching. Sorry, I'm not like you--- I don't want to just pluck one of the plethora of guys just dangling from the franchise QB tree...... you know, the tree that doesn't exist.
I am somewhat hoping that we do go with more 4 Wr looks so Henne can know the joy of the pain he has inflicted on Dolfans for 2yrs now..I'm thinking a Cutler like beating...
MarinePhinFanNew MemberSo far, Eli Manning has been just "serviceable". Anyone know if he has one of those fancy-smancy Super Bowl rings? ;)
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HardKoreXXXNew Member"padre31 wrote:
I am somewhat hoping that we do go with more 4 Wr looks so Henne can know the joy of the pain he has inflicted on Dolfans for 2yrs now..I'm thinking a Cutler like beating...
You mean like in the Oakland game? That was the best gameplan we had all season. It was mostly 4 WR sets no?
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schmoliootSupporterKiper's opinion makes no sense.
He says that the guy is basically the same inconsistent guy he was at Michigan and will never improve mobility but it's too soon to move on?
What exactly does Kiper think is going to happen this off season that didn't happen during 4 years at Michigan and 3 years here?
GMJohnsonNew Member"ToddsPhins wrote:
Serviceable means you can win with him with a solid D and the PROPER supporting cast and coaching. Sorry, I'm not like you--- I don't want to just pluck one of the plethora of guys just dangling from the franchise QB tree...... you know, the tree that doesn't exist.
No problem, just call 1-800-FranchiseQB, thats what all the good teams do. I hear they deliver, 30 minutes or less or your next Franchise QB if 50% off.
ToddsPhinsNew Member"schmolioot wrote:
Kiper's opinion makes no sense.
He says that the guy is basically the same inconsistent guy he was at Michigan and will never improve mobility but it's too soon to move on?
What exactly does Kiper think is going to happen this off season that didn't happen during 4 years at Michigan and 3 years here?
The same thing that happens to a lot of 2nd+ round QBs who don't come out NFL ready like Matt Ryan------ they develop.
padre31Luxury Box"HardKoreXXX wrote:
You mean like in the Oakland game? That was the best gameplan we had all season. It was mostly 4 WR sets no?
3 wr's iirc, but the Raiders kept giving a man to man look with a terrible Cb playing, so Henne just took advantage.
That is sort of the danger with Henne, he can look really good, the next week he looks terrible, Coaches being optimistic focus on the good and eventually get fired, perhaps that is why Nolan said he should have stuck with Shaun Hill over Alex Smith in SF.
schmoliootSupporter"GMJohnson wrote:
No problem, just call 1-800-FranchiseQB, thats what all the good teams do. I hear they deliver, 30 minutes or less or your next Franchise QB if 50% off.
Yeah, we should just forget about trying to improve the most important position on the team.
It's too hard and costs too much.
Let's just continue on trying to build an all star team around the mediocre QB we have now. Of course, if those all stars get hurt or elave via free agency we're pretty much screwed but whatever, the alternative is just too darn dificult.
schmoliootSupporter"ToddsPhins wrote:
The same thing that happens to a lot of 2nd+ round QBs who don't come out NFL ready like Matt Ryan------ they develop.
He hasn't developed much in 7 years. He isn't all that different from the freshman who started for Michigan.
GMJohnsonNew Member"HardKoreXXX wrote:
You mean like in the Oakland game? That was the best gameplan we had all season. It was mostly 4 WR sets no?
I like Henne, but sorry, that Oakland game was some idiot Raiders coaches more than game planning. Insisting on man coverage when the whole league knew we couldnt do jack vs Cover 2 was criminal negligence. Henne always plays well vs man, going back to last year. The only teams who played man vs us this year all paid for it (Raiders, Jets, Packers). Everyone else played zone and did pretty well with it.
shaunm000Forum VeteranI still have the 2009 home game vs the Jets on my DVR. It amazes me how well he played in that game. Imagine if he was that serviceable every game, we would probably be talking about how to beat the packers in 2 weeks.
That game has to be Henne's best complete game as an NFL quarterback. Catching Cam on the bootleg on 4th down, the bomb to Ginn, the floaty touch pass to Cam on the sideline that slipped right in perfectly....oh man, im getting goosebumps. Why cant he keep it together like this for every game? I went out and bought a Henne jersey after that game, it has now since been retired next to my collection of Taylor, Pennington, and probably Brown jerseys.
Just imagine if Henne played every game like that 2009 Jets home game? What did we do differently? Is it all on Henne? Ugh! I thought it was a coming out party! SMH
GMJohnsonNew Member"schmolioot wrote:
He hasn't developed much in 7 years. He isn't all that different from the freshman who started for Michigan.
As if you'd notice whether he developed or not. C'mon man. Stick to the sarcasm dude, it's more fun and it doesn't require any actual football knowledge.
ToddsPhinsNew Member"schmolioot wrote:
He hasn't developed much in 7 years. He isn't all that different from the freshman who started for Michigan.
So what you're saying is Henne should've skipped college and jumped right from high school to starting in the NFL? Damn.... that's pretty talented.
"schmolioot wrote:
Yeah, we should just forget about trying to improve the most important position on the team.
It's too hard and costs too much.
Let's just continue on trying to build an all star team around the mediocre QB we have now. Of course, if those all stars get hurt or elave via free agency we're pretty much screwed but whatever, the alternative is just too darn dificult.
some guys on here seem to forget 1 thing - there is a salary cap - how many more big contracts can we add before you start losing your depth???how bout finding a good enough QB to win with a couple allstars instead of needing a whole team of them to win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BpkLuxury BoxMel Kiper hates us and is trying to destroy us by nudging for Henne to keep playing for us.
That's my totally non-paranoid interpretation.
WHAT!?!
GMJohnsonNew Member"shaunm000 wrote:
I still have the 2009 home game vs the Jets on my DVR. It amazes me how well he played in that game. Imagine if he was that serviceable every game, we would probably be talking about how to beat the packers in 2 weeks.
That game has to be Henne's best complete game as an NFL quarterback. Catching Cam on the bootleg on 4th down, the bomb to Ginn, the floaty touch pass to Cam on the sideline that slipped right in perfectly....oh man, im getting goosebumps. Why cant he keep it together like this for every game? I went out and bought a Henne jersey after that game, it has now since been retired next to my collection of Taylor, Pennington, and probably Brown jerseys.
Just imagine if Henne played every game like that 2009 Jets home game? What did we do differently? Is it all on Henne? Ugh! I thought it was a coming out party! SMH
Number one we had a running game. 2 we had a deep threat. 3 the Jets were blitzing, in man, or in 3's most of the night. No cover 2 to speak of. Henne's good games and bad games arent accident or coincidence, its based on the looks he's getting and whether he has the tools to defeat them. Man coverage, single high zones he's pretty good. Shell looks, not so much. Hopefully we'll add some speed and work on Henne's game so that we can defeat all coverages and not just the ones we like.
ToddsPhinsNew Member"finfaninilinois wrote:
some guys on here seem to forget 1 thing - there is a salary cap - how many more big contracts can we add before you start losing your depth???how bout finding a good enough QB to win with a couple allstars instead of needing a whole team of them to win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And some people, not naming names, do NOT understand that finding a proper cast does NOT mean that you need to break the bank doing so. Proper cast means just that--- proper freakin cast. This draft has plenty of guys who fit Henne's skill set who will not impact our salary cap in any way shape or form...... but maybe you're one of these delusional guys who believe that the skill players dont matter or that you can just plug any WR/TE/RB into any scheme and it'll work just fine no matter what the QBs strengths are.
The only thing you got right is needing a whole team to win..... but apparently you don't truly understand that concept b/c you think we're fine with our current group of non-playmaking, slow-poke possession guys.