nope. waiting on one to get dumped somewhere. Not a center, but they like Kenyon Martin alot. If he escapes China, the Heat will go after him.
Iman Shumpert looks like he will secure a starting spot according to Coach Pringles who believes Shumpert can play the 1 or 2, though imo he is a 2 that can guard 1's because of his quickness. Unless he develops a better handle though I cant see him as a 1. Definitely looks like a very good pick with legit explosion.
What's going on with Dalembert? The season starts in a week and he is still languishing. Who out there is going to sign him for $10 million per at this late date? I wonder if he's going to have to take a 1 year deal at some point. If so, the Heat could re-enter the equation
Yeah, Sam priced himself WAAAAAAAY out of the market. His best bet is to sign a 1 year with the heat and try to get a fat extension afterwards. and even then, he has to forget about 10 mil a year.
Just sayin'..... With the game on the line Trailing by one or two points, or tied, in the final 24 seconds of regular-season and playoff games since 1996-97, with a minimum of 30 shots. From Alok Pattani of ESPN Stats & Information. Player Makes Attempts FG% Carmelo Anthony 21 44 47.7 Chris Paul 14 31 45.2 Shawn Marion 12 30 40 Brandon Roy 12 30 40 Hedo Turkoglu 12 30 40 Rashard Lewis 18 46 39.1 Glenn Robinson 14 36 38.9 Deron Williams 14 36 38.9 Mike Bibby 15 39 38.5 Dirk Nowitzki 25 65 38.5 Jalen Rose 12 32 37.5 Tim Duncan 23 62 37.1 Eddie Jones 13 36 36.1 Karl Malone 11 31 35.5 Ben Gordon 17 49 34.7 Chris Webber 18 52 34.6 Raymond Felton 12 36 33.3 LeBron James 23 69 33.3 Ray Allen 23 70 32.9 Gilbert Arenas 13 40 32.5 Vince Carter 31 96 32.3 Steve Francis 14 44 31.8 Damon Stoudamire 12 38 31.6 Nick Van Exel 16 51 31.4 Kobe Bryant 36 115 31.3 Jason Terry 14 45 31.1 Allen Iverson 21 68 30.9 Kevin Garnett 22 72 30.6 Ron Artest 9 30 30 Allan Houston 12 41 29.3 Entire league 2038 6861 29.7
Damn! Alan Houston must have only been clutch that game 5! Man I miss that dude, when he was ON...not many better. Looks like the Heat should've turned to Mike Bibby last June when they needed to make a run.
Glenn Robinson, Rashard Lewis, Hedu Turkeyglue, Shawn Marion, Eddie Jones, Ben Gordon? More clutch than LeBron. This clinches it: HEAT have overpaid for LeBron.
People wanted facts that lebron wasnt clutch. There it is. Game on the line, do yourself a favor and give it to wade.
Indeed it does mean Lebron has a better percentage then Kobe. As for Wade, theres a minimum of 30 attempts and I'm not sure if its % related or related to the fact he didnt make the minimum as to why Wade is not on that list
Wade didn't even make that list, which is a stupid list. You're basically saying Carmelo is more clutch because of last second shots. I don't think that is a very good measure to see who is more clutch. Within the last 5 minutes of the game, I will gladly take Lebron over Carmelo.
Or you can give it to the guy that is more clutch than Kobe Bryant according to your list. (Lebron James) You realize how stupid that list is right?
How is a list that offers facts stupid? Lebron does have a higher percentage made then Kobe. Some players just want the ball late and are not just the guy by default. And I have no love for Kobe either so its not a Lebron/Kobe thing for me.
Carmelo is more clutch then Lebron late in games. That was my argument initially. This isnt about the last 5 minutes of games, its about the last possession of a game. Lebron is a more complete all around player but Melo is the guy I go to when I need to have a basket. Everyone knew where the ball was going in Denver and still Melo did what few others seem to be able to do consistently. He doesnt let the pressure get to him when its close and the game is on the line.
Lol @ these dudes!!! Calling that list stupid after all the crap they talked about me lacking "evidence" that fraud isn't clutch....you provide it and all they can say is it's stupid!!!! Lololololololololololololololololol!!!
I disagree. Shooting a better percentage with the last possession of the game does not make Carmelo more clutch, imo. I mean, look at how many shots Lebron has compared to Carmelo. Is it really fair to compare them? Lebron has almost 20 more shots compared to him.
Anyway....here Finomenal, fist pump this 23 times: Instead of bull**** stats with tiny sample sizes, how bout this: Sortable NBA Player "Clutch" Stats http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM In total "clutch" production: Lebron ranks 4th, Melo ranks 9th It gets better, when you look at Assists and realize that Lebron produces 4.9 assists per48 and Melo produces 1.3 in the "clutch". Then it really becomes giggle worthy when you see that Lebron averages 3.8 TO's per48 and Melo averages 5.6 in the "clutch". The only thing Melo does better than Lebron in the "clutch" is rebound. and he does that with a 12.5 to 11.2 edge. SO not only does Lebron score it better, and distributes it better than Melo, he also takes care of it better int he clutch, while he handles the ball and Melo does not.
What? So then Lebron by that logic is less clutch then Kobe and Vince Carter and I KNOW we arent putting Vince Carter in the mix here. Shooting percentage is everything on the last shot. Its a reflection on how little you let the pressure get to you. You want to know how clutch someone is, you look at this stat and their regular shooting percentage and see if theres any difference. If theres no or little difference thats your guy. If theres a significant difference...that might not be the player you want if theres a better alternative. One other thing you have to consider is that Melo was not the primary ball handler in Denver where as Lebron was in Cleveland. That explains the shot differential because Billups is the primary decision maker there and many times Karl would put the ball in his hands.
that didn't show he wasn't "clutch". it showed the opposite. It showed he was more clutch than the league average, and more clutch than Kobe. You either don't know how to read, or are trolling. I think we all know which.
So by that logic youre taking Kobe Rose and Mo Williams over Lebron right? Again, Shooting % on the final possession is a different argument then Final 5 minutes.
Those numbers don't lie. No to Moe Williams because his sample size was small. But yes, those two guys at least were more clutch than Lebron.
You n ur clan were proved wrong...take it like a man an get ready for this season, because u obviously want no part in discussing last year. ......does fist pump.....
I disagree with the fact that using last shot percentages is a good tool to measure a players's clutch ability, first and foremost. It throws out everything that has happened in the 4th quarter up till that point, and relies on a last shot opportunity to determine who's clutch. I believe Sections method is much, much better. But if we did use your stats, comparing Lebron to Carmelo is ridiculous because Lebron has taken around 20 more shots than Carmelo. To compare them isn't fair.
Boik, the problem with your stat is the sample size. for example: In the last 24 seconds of PLAYOFF games, to win or tie the game, Lebron James is 5 for 12 for 42%. Kobe Bryant is 7 for 25. WHOA..that means! nothing. Larger sample sizes that include total "clutch" time performance is what matters.
Not at all. I mean heck, Knick fans only lived through the Pat Riley era with the Knicks where the ONLY offensive option who was consistent was Ewing. Actually, most every Knick fan was clamoring for the days of Oakley-Mason-X-Starks-Harper where we had exactly 1 reliable scoring option (Ewing) because every Knick fan is sick of Coach Pringles and wants Phil or JVG back. Personally, I know I dont believe D'Antoni's offense can win in the NBA. I think we have a disconnect here. I am not arguing Lebron is a more complete player, or the final 5 minutes...Im saying on the last shot its Melo. No lebron. Not Kobe. Not Wade. Well the point is that if youre "close and late" obviously youve done enough to hang around. The last shot at that point is where the game will be won and lost. Based on the percentages, more shot attempts wouldnt matter. Melo's been pretty consistent throughout his career. I know he had 5 game winners last year and 4 the year before...I doubt you would find much variance on his year to year percentages or attempts for that matter.
The sample size argument was squashed when they put a minimum of 30 on it. With the game on the line Trailing by one or two points, or tied, in the final 24 seconds of regular-season and playoff games since 1996-97, with a minimum of 30 shots. From Alok Pattani of ESPN Stats & Information. Player Makes Attempts FG% Carmelo Anthony 21 44 47.7 Chris Paul 14 31 45.2 Shawn Marion 12 30 40 Brandon Roy 12 30 40 Hedo Turkoglu 12 30 40 Rashard Lewis 18 46 39.1 Glenn Robinson 14 36 38.9 Deron Williams 14 36 38.9 Mike Bibby 15 39 38.5 Dirk Nowitzki 25 65 38.5 Jalen Rose 12 32 37.5 Tim Duncan 23 62 37.1 Eddie Jones 13 36 36.1 Karl Malone 11 31 35.5 Ben Gordon 17 49 34.7 Chris Webber 18 52 34.6 Raymond Felton 12 36 33.3 LeBron James 23 69 33.3 Ray Allen 23 70 32.9 Gilbert Arenas 13 40 32.5 Vince Carter 31 96 32.3 Steve Francis 14 44 31.8 Damon Stoudamire 12 38 31.6 Nick Van Exel 16 51 31.4 Kobe Bryant 36 115 31.3 Jason Terry 14 45 31.1 Allen Iverson 21 68 30.9 Kevin Garnett 22 72 30.6 Ron Artest 9 30 30 Allan Houston 12 41 29.3 Entire league 2038 6861 29.7
Lebron has failed the "eyeball test" in the playoffs the past two years. He has checked out of games in crucial moments. This is quite obvious to non Heat homers. It's obvious and anyone with two eyes and half a brain knows this took place. Either move on or keep looking bad defending it.
no it doesn't. because we are still talking about a number of shots that is less than those that are taken in a couple of NBA games. In Melo's case it is 44 shots. 44 shots is a tiny sample size, and completely irrelevant.
whoa, let me do a quick "eyeball" test: [video=youtube;uTHOz7CXrk4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTHOz7CXrk4[/video] [video=youtube;KgLMI784M4E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgLMI784M4E&feature=related[/video] yep, "eyeball" test is still working. sLoW you're troll.....
Since we like Small sample sizes as something representative. I will take the Bulls series and the Celtics series (more shots than the Melo example) and declare Lebron James the most clutch player in the history of organized sports.
The fact that the number of shots being sampled is les then NBA games means nothing. What makes that the acceptable sample size? We arent talking about 10 shots here. They made it 30 to eliminate the small sample size factors. 44 shots is about half an NBA game. But its 44 different games. Some of those nights he may have been 10-13 and some of those night he may have been 5-19. But regardless Melo came through a higher percentage of the time then anyone else on the final possession.
