Machettes to Gun Fights....

"Garryowen wrote:

This would be a topic for a different place at finheaven but, I'll bring it up. Do citizens do not have the right to protect themselves? How do they do that? Are edged weapons ok? Sean had a Machette.....that didn't work out well agasint a gun.

My thing is that Sean was in his home. At my home in TX, those men would've died of lead poisoning. 12 Gauge is a Sommobitch.

Regardless.......What's ok? Is it ok that he got shot?

Was it ok that he tried to defed himself and his family?

My opinion is he should've had a protective detal to shield himself from liability, but, also, death.

When does Sean gain the right not to be killed?

If this was indeed a hit... doesnt this thing start because sean taylor was brandishing a gun against people? if this people where indeed going after him to shoot him... the result would have probably been the same thing except with an overreaction by the shooters that could have ended up with the death of more people.

I mean it is impossible to know, if it is a burglary gone wrong, then yeah, maybe you are right and him having a gun would have changed the situation... maybe. It could also have made it just as bad or worse considering there was a baby and a woman in the room from which sean taylor would have been shooting at other people.

Sean Taylor had to use a machete instead of a firearm because, as a term of his probation, he was banned from owning firearms.

End of story.

"quelonio wrote:

If this was indeed a hit... doesnt this thing start because sean taylor was brandishing a gun against people? if this people where indeed going after him to shoot him... the result would have probably been the same thing except with an overreaction by the shooters that could have ended up with the death of more people.

I mean it is impossible to know, if it is a burglary gone wrong, then yeah, maybe you are right and him having a gun would have changed the situation... maybe. It could also have made it just as bad or worse considering there was a baby and a woman in the room from which sean taylor would have been shooting at other people.

What's "Brandishing?" If people treid to steal your car, you'd what? give them the keys? Did it start because he was "Brandishing" a gun? Are you sure that him "Brandishing" a gun *I TX, the law reads "Displaying a gun" which has been held to contain "printing" under a shirt. was the start of it?

Listen to yourself.

"It's ok..At least it was just him rather than everyone.".......

wow, bro. Just..Wow.

"Desides wrote:

Sean Taylor had to use a machete instead of a firearm because, as a term of his probation, he was banned from owning firearms.

End of story.

That's not true.

He was not a felon, no matter what you may think.

"Desides wrote:

Sean Taylor had to use a machete instead of a firearm because, as a term of his probation, he was banned from owning firearms.

End of story.

Without trying to be too grim, but it is better to be judged by 12 then carried by six Desides.:)

I am surprised that he didn't install re-enforced doors and hire a security/alarm service, that is not to blame the man at all, he was the target of some scumbag who was trying to break into his home when he and his family was there.

If a person invades your home with a gun IMO you have every right to drop him dead with a 12 gauge and protect your family.

I think the rule if an invader has a knife is that if he is within 21 feet its considered a deadly threat and you also have right to drop him.

I'm all about giving people second chances and such but if you come into my home and my family with bad intent you have crossed a line. I have no sympathy for people who get shot/killed while committing crimes where they were putting innocent peoples lives in danger.

And if you ever think anyone truly has it out for a big mean dog is also a great deterrent, and probation has no effect on your ability to git one. :sneaky2:

"dolphan117 wrote:

If a person invades your home with a gun IMO you have every right to drop him dead with a 12 gauge and protect your family.

I think the rule if an invader has a knife is that if he is within 21 feet its considered a deadly threat and you also have right to drop him.I'm all about giving people second chances and such but if you come into my home and my family with bad intent you have crossed a line. I have no sympathy for people who get shot/killed while committing crimes where they were putting innocent peoples lives in danger.

:punk:

Your language preceedes you, sheepdog ;)

"dolphan117 wrote:

And if you ever think anyone truly has it out for a big mean dog is also a great deterrent, and probation has no effect on your ability to git one. :sneaky2:

Big dogs, like guns, must be properly utilized....... But, yah..Dawgies are intruder-repellant.

"dolphan117 wrote:

If a person invades your home with a gun IMO you have every right to drop him dead with a 12 gauge and protect your family.

I think the rule if an invader has a knife is that if he is within 21 feet its considered a deadly threat and you also have right to drop him.

I'm all about giving people second chances and such but if you come into my home and my family with bad intent you have crossed a line. I have no sympathy for people who get shot/killed while committing crimes where they were putting innocent peoples lives in danger.

Here in Colorado, we have the Make My Day law which allows me to use deadly force on any suspected threat on my property. So, if I believe there is the possibility an intruder might have a weapon and might attempt to harm me or my family, he will be dropped... ...quickly.

"Colorado Dolfan wrote:

Here in Colorado, we have the Make My Day law which allows me to use deadly force on any suspected threat on my property. So, if I believe there is the possibility an intruder might have a weapon and might attempt to harm me or my family, he will be dropped... ...quickly.

Roger that.

"Garryowen wrote:

That's not true.

He was not a felon, no matter what you may think.

That does not matter, and it would depend on what the charges were, or if they were reduced from being a felony to a misdemeanor. BUT he was convicted no matter what. His terms of probation, since the original charge involved a GUN, would be that he does not possess a gun until his probation is/was over.

"Ozzy wrote:

That does not matter, and it would depend on what the charges were, or if they were reduced from being a felony to a misdemeanor. BUT he was convicted no matter what. His terms of probation, since the original charge involved a GUN, would be that he does not possess a gun until his probation is/was over.

Every state has thier own deals, but, most that remember we're free and not under a .gov thumb only prohibit possession of wepons by mentally ill or felons.

If the man is not a felon and, he wasnt'.....He still maintains his constitutional rights. Actually, Felon or not is the big question.

And you know what? Good thing, if he was barred from carrying. Since, being a felon, his life is apparently worth less.

"Garryowen wrote:

This would be a topic for a different place at finheaven but, I'll bring it up. Do citizens do not have the right to protect themselves? How do they do that? Are edged weapons ok? Sean had a Machette.....that didn't work out well agasint a gun.

My thing is that Sean was in his home. At my home in TX, those men would've died of lead poisoning. 12 Gauge is a Sommobitch.

Regardless.......What's ok? Is it ok that he got shot?

Was it ok that he tried to defed himself and his family?

My opinion is he should've had a protective detal to shield himself from liability, but, also, death.

When does Sean gain the right not to be killed?

I think you have to wait and see why he was killed, was it just a robbery, or a hit for something he was doing/did? Was he into something he should not have been?

"NJFINSFAN1 wrote:

I think you have to wait and see why he was killed, was it just a robbery, or a hit for something he was doing/did? Was he into something he should not have been?

So, his life is worth less if he was? Just getting a handle on life and respective worth thereof in your opinon of life and how it rests with you.

"Garryowen wrote:

So, his life is worth less if he was? Just getting a handle on life and respective worth thereof in your opinon of life and how it rests with you.

You need to try and stop putting words in peoples mouths, you know what happens when you assume.

No ones life should be taken, but some people take the road that may lead to that happening. I think we need to see what road Taylor was on, was it a robbery? Was it a hit for something he did?

"NJFINSFAN1 wrote:

You need to try and stop putting words in peoples mouths, you know what happens when you assume.

No ones life should be taken, but some people take the road that may lead to that happening. I think we need to see what road Taylor was on, was it a robbery? Was it a hit for something he did?

Ok. If this is your charge on me, I accept it.

So...by your last paragraph....you are telling me, IMO, that he got what was coming to 'im. Correct me if I'm wrong but, that's what I believeyou are saying.
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No ones life should be taken, but some people take the road that may lead to that happening. I think we need to see what road Taylor was on, was it a robbery? Was it a hit for something he did
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No words in anyone's mouth. Last road that was taken was one of a father of an 18 month old daughter.

Why don't you just come out and say what you're hanging about saying. If it's the truth you should be ok. What was Seans "road"...Please provide dates and instances. Or is this a parroting of sportwriters talking points?

"Garryowen wrote:

Ok. If this is your charge on me, I accept it.

So...by your last paragraph....you are telling me, IMO, that he got what was coming to 'im. Correct me if I'm wrong but, that's what I believeyou are saying.
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No ones life should be taken, but some people take the road that may lead to that happening. I think we need to see what road Taylor was on, was it a robbery? Was it a hit for something he did
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No words in anyone's mouth. Last road that was taken was one of a father of an 18 month old daughter.

Why don't you just come out and say what you're hanging about saying. If it's the truth you should be ok. What was Seans "road"...Please provide dates and instances. Or is this a parroting of sportwriters talking points?

We don't know if he was into something or not, that's why I say lets see what comes of it.

Maybe he was into something that he should not have been.

Would that make it okay, no, but as I said, why don't we wait to see what happened.

And where did I say he got what was coming to him? Do you make this stuff up as you go along?

All I said was maybe he was into something he should not have been into, and maybe that lead to this. Did I ever say it was right? NO

"NJFINSFAN1 wrote:

We don't know if he was into something or not, that's why I say lets see what comes of it.

Maybe he was into something that he should not have been.

Would that make it okay, no, but as I said, why don't we wait to see what happened.

And where did I say he got what was coming to him? Do you make this stuff up as you go along?

All I said was maybe he was into something he should not have been into, and maybe that lead to this. Did I ever say it was right? NO

"What's coming to him" were my words, and, I did not say they were yours..Look back, I never said that. That was my opinion. Please get your fact right brutha. I qualified it, and, stated it so.
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Maybe he was into something that he should not have been.
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Where does this come into things, though? Bro...your words, not mine. Why even mention this? Does this make his life worth less?

You are the one that mentioned a "Road", and, my DP-fu precludes me from going back to copy/paste.

So..using your words.."Maybe he was into somthing he shouldn't have been."

Is his life worth more, or less? Or...Well, I won't put those words into your mouth again.

(This brings up really cool debates about serial killers, etc, State executions...but, this is good discussion.)

"Garryowen wrote:

Every state has thier own deals, but, most that remember we're free and not under a .gov thumb only prohibit possession of wepons by mentally ill or felons.

If the man is not a felon and, he wasnt'.....He still maintains his constitutional rights. Actually, Felon or not is the big question.

And you know what? Good thing, if he was barred from carrying. Since, being a felon, his life is apparently worth less.

He was placed on probation and the felony charges were dropped. Dropped down to misdameanors. His probation most likely involved not having guns around while serving the sentence, and it could have been one of the stipulations of the agreement.....

"Garryowen wrote:

That's not true.

He was not a felon, no matter what you may think.

Uh... I didn't say he was a felon. I said that as a condition of his 18 month probation, which was granted to him in a plea deal, he was banned from owning firearms. This is a true statement.

"Ozzy wrote:

He was placed on probation and the felony charges were dropped. Dropped down to misdameanors. His probation most likely involved not having guns around while serving the sentence, and it could have been one of the stipulations of the agreement.....

I'll give you that, and, well argued.

Good thing he couldn't defend himself, though eh?

"Desides wrote:

Uh... I didn't say he was a felon. I said that as a condition of his 18 month probation, which was granted to him in a plea deal, he was banned from owning firearms. This is a true statement.

Ok. Fair play.

Damn shame he couldn't defend himself though, hm?

Why is it law abideing citizens are hurt by laws that outlaw things?

If you value your life so little as to invade someone elses property with ill intent, well then I will place equal value on it also. You come into my house uninvited, at any time, if the German Shepherd that sleeps at the foot of my daughters bed (she even growls at me when I come to check on her in the middle of the night) doesn't get you, I will. I promise there will only be one side of the story being told, if I pull out a weapon, you're dead.