i was dumbfounded by the move, iam already on record saying it will be wes welker part two. Shawn Murphy better become a star because lobook is going to. Listen, i love the new smashmouth culture that is sweeping south florida, but no one can tell me that a player of bookers talents is not conducive to any system, if iam an offensive cordinator, iam using that boy, screens, draws, traps, split him out wide, put him in the slot, bottom line the dude is a WEAPON. i love me some Parcells, but this one will have me scratchin my head over for a long time.,
Not really. We turned a free agent into a 2nd and a 7th into Samson Satele and Abe Wright. LoBook doesn't fit in a run-heavy offense, which means the only problem is that we traded him for a lower pick than we drafted him for. (Unless you buy into the crap that draft picks from one year are worth one round less in next year's draft, in which case we got equal value for him.) You shouldn't worry about the move in context of Wes Welker (who's overrated anyway), but rather you should be ticked that moving LoBook signals the return of Wannstache's offense.
what that means is if you paid a two for him this year, to get "equal" value with a pick from next year, it would have to be a first.
Right, but in this case, Booker was a 3rd round pick traded for a 4th round pick a year later, so it fits the value theory.
First off, welker was not that good on our team. 352, 760, 151. WHat is that? Reche Caldwell's yards. That one in the middle? That's the Brady Effect. 2nd of all, Welker was going to wear a NE uni no matter what. He was a RFA who signed New England's offer sheet. That offer sheet had a poison pill in it. To avoid having to force the issue with the poison pill (and bad pub) both teams decided to maneuver a trade. So it was a trade on paper, but it really wasn't. He was as good as gone. WE got an extra 7th out of it.
Desides, the idea is that in order to acquire a 3rd rounder in the current draft you need to give up a 2nd in the following draft. So by that theory, we got hosed in the Booker trade. I'm unaware of any trade theory that involves 2nd year players garnering a round less compensation than their draft status.
wes welker is not overrated, lobook is gonna be a star, Our smashmouth offense that we are instilling has nothing to do with wanstache's offense, different players, different coaches, different mindset.
All you have to do is look no further than our own roster to evaluate the Welker trade. Who took his spot? Satele; and you take Satele over Welker E.V.E.R.Y.T.I.M.E. We got an A+++++++++ Christmas Story style for that trade.
no player is as good as gone when you recognize the talent.your philosophy on why welker was not good for us has deep holes, he wasnt good because we had a junior varsity football team playing around him, especially the person throwing the football. not wes's fault that he wasnt as productive for us as he is for the patriots. I dont care how anyone spins it, the only way this becomes a good trade is if they know something about Murphy and wanted him really bad and he becomes a star because iam confident lobook will.
both teams got great value, hate to say that about a division opponent, but it was IMO, the best win/win trade of last season. We both served a NEED in stellar fashion.
I was going to say the same thing in my post, but I hate NE so much I didnt want to give them any props But ultimately, yes, I agree with you, we both got great value
LoBook looks good in shorts...big whoop! If he was so great, why did it take Cam 10 weeks to put him on the active roster? If he was so great, why did Parcells trade him before even kicking the tires? My completely uninformed theory is that there's some kind of dirt on the guy. Maybe he falls asleep in meetings or has no idea how to pick up a blitzer. The guy never lived up to the hype in college. He was a super blue chipper in High School and did NOTHING at FSU. There's a pattern here: big talent w/ little production. And don't get me started on Welker. Gimme Satele every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
I think any question about this has to go to Cam's ability to be a head coach. That said though, I think much of this had to do with LoBook being able to pick up blitzers and not get the QB killed. The simple answer is that he doesn't fit the smashmouth offense. Either way though, I don't think it has anything to do with any dirt on LoBook. It's just that he wasn't a good "fit", which in itself is arguable.
Because Cam was in way over his head and had no idea what he was doing. When Cam put Booker in, Booker performed immensly. He moved the chains every chance he got. He averaged 4.5 ypc, if you have a back that averages that, your happy with it. Besides, how can you trust anything a head coach says or does when he proves he has no idea what is going on or how to be the man. Calling a time out directly after an incomplete pass ring a bell? When have we ever known Parcells to use a 5-10, 190 lbs scat back for anything (Maybe im mistaken but I dont remember any on any of his rosters)
I think trading Booker was best for the team and Booker as well.with the players we have,he would not have seen much playing time.I really hope he does well in Philly.I think he will have a dave Megget type career when its all said and done. One thing I do remember about Booker was on Draft day someone interviewed him and he said he will make every team that passed on him regret it.
I don't think we have even begun to miss Lorenzo Booker as much as we're going to when we see what he does in Philly. And the "He wouldn't have done that on our team" argument that we see (and that I support) with Wes Welker won't hold true, because Lorenzo was showing that talent at the end of last season and making things happen on a very bad team.
Ha, well you just shot my theory to ****, somewhat... Although that was only 1 RB out of however many BP has coached
While im happy with many moves the new regime has made this was one that was completely uneeded. Booker is a great talent and has more potential than most realize. Just because he didn't fit the parcells type running back shouldnt mean that he should be gone. Parcells will regret this decision.
Wish we would have moved him to slot if he was still here. But I am happy with the draft choice we made out of that trade because it may finally solidify our O line.
I don't get it...LoBook has an ok 6 games and suddenly he's the missing link in our offense ?? You can argue that Cam didn't use him correctly, but the fact is he was ok for 6 games. He was ok because we didn't have a running game to speak of and the OL was so porous that we couldn't muster much of a passing game. When they used him to open up the D a little it didn't work for very long. We just didn't see enough to proclaim him a great loss. If Murphy turns into a starter for us, we'll all forget about LoBook, even if he is able to put up numbers in Philly's WCO.... As to Welker...just another decent guy. Sure, he put up great stats with Brady and company, but who on their offense didn't put up great numbers last year ?? WW was a good #3 WR, but his loss was softened by the selection of Satele. A starting center...Look, the #3 WR is on the field (for us in Cam's offense) 40% of the time max...Satele was on the field virtually every offensive down except for some ST plays...give me that any day of the week... The bottom line is that we are/will be a better team, offensively, with these two trades than with those two players still here...that is the cold hard fact of the situation...
I hated to see booker go, but he doesn't fit the smashmouth style power running game we are developing and such is life. Not going to lose any sleep over LoBook doing well, in fact I'm very happy for him, hope he does well.
I honestly don't care, he's an EAGLE not a DOLPHIN. What little he did here is hardly enough to even put him in the same group a Wes Welker,etc. As far as I'm concerned he's just another blip on the radar.
Right, because linebackers covering the slot had nothing to do with his success. It's not like he had Randy Moss to draw double to triple coverage and Donte Stallworth to garner safety help.....
Yes, he is. If Randy Moss and Donte Stallworth aren't stretching the field on every play, Wes Welker doesn't get open versus linebackers. There were numerous games last season where a corner was charged with covering Welker, and he was shut down. We're not installing a smashmouth offense. We're installing a "run left" offense. The run-pass ratio will be stretched to ridiculous, Wannstachian extremes. Wannstache's offense was "run, run, pass, punt." We're going to see "run, pass, run, punt."
Booker always looks good in shorts. Pads on, he is only good in space, and he doesn't play special teams.
