Looks like Armando stuck his foot into his mouth this time.

I respectfully disagree with you. Newspapers are all about credibility.....if there was no credibility, there would be no advertisers.

 

The Miami Herald is owned by the McClatchy Company. The McClatchy Company is publicly traded. They have a fiduciary duty to shareholders well before they have a duty to maintain "credibility".

 

Wow, did you really say that???? Just WOW!!!!!

 

I'm not sure I understand your point? What are you suggesting here?

 

That's simply not true. What you're talking about is how it SHOULD work, but it doesn't.

 

Are you saying the Miami Herald has credibility? I don't think they have for years now.

 

Look, I have read many of your posts and you are obviously a very intelligent guy but the quote that I responded to is just plain wrong, misguided and unethical. By your logic a pharmaceutical company has a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders before the safety of their drugs...any manufacturer has the responsibility to their shareholders before the safety or quality of their products???? NO! A newspaper is in business to accurately disseminate the news. If they carry out this mission, their credibility is enhanced ( see New York Times, Boston Globe, etc). When their credibility is enhanced people look to them for information and therefore will read their paper or webpage which equals higher ad revenues. Without that credibility, people look elsewhere (CNN, USA Today, Palm Beach Post) for their news. No newspaper or shareholder thereof wants to be associated with a racist or anti-American tirade....That is bad business.

 

press are held to standards by not being read/ making money. Most jobs are the same way. Things like cops, firemen, lawyers, engineers, etc have personal review boards. I've never heard of a professional review board for a meter maid or waiter. In other words not all professions are held to the same standard.

 

Pharmaceutical companies are held to legal standards. Those legal standards come before their fiduciary responsibility.

I don't agree that a newspaper's credibility is the driving force behind readership. Plenty of very financially successful publications lack credibility. The two highest rated S Fla beat writers (Omar Kelly and Armando), both have lacked credibility for a while. They still get better ratings than guys that have 100X more credibility.

 

Why did you censor my last post?/ It was respectful....you just didn't like it?

 

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Didn't edit anything.

 

I posted and it said it would not be visible until approved by a moderator....are you the moderator????

 

What did he say wrong?

 

Weird, I may have deleted it accidentally. PM me if you still don't see it.

 

I apologize to Stringer...my post did show up .

 

We will have to agree to disagree that a newspaper's credibility is the driving force behind readership. It is something that I strongly believe.

 

Armando's form letter "apology" :

I apologize. I sent an angry, unprofessional and inappropriate response to a reader with whom I was engaged in a heated email exchange, and I should be better than that.


I receive thousands of emails disagreeing with me and have been able to manage those exchanges. I should have been able to make my points to this reader without attacking his service to this country.


The most hurtful aspect of this incident for me is that it belies who I am and what I believe. I have never served in the U.S. armed forces but I respect the service of the men and women who have. This isn’t lip service. I have lived by this credo when no light was being shed on my comportment.


I was wrong to let myself be baited into a personal exchange with a reader, and I deeply regret my comments.




Armando Salguero

 

That about sums it up. I personally would have stuck in the phrase "bigoted remarks", as in "I was wrong to let myself be baited into a personal exchange by the bigoted remarks of one reader, and I deeply regret my comments."

 

Well don't you two live in a nice fantasy world. This is a guy who was actually caught high fiving another reporter in a bar over a Dolphins loss and exit from the playoff picture. An incident so large that Wayne himself blasted them publicly and still gets him grief to this day (and that happened 10 years ago). He's got a large string of incidents bigger then this latest set-up job. Why isn't he fired? Because he draws in hits which gets them more advertising dollars. This guy will never move upwards in the industry because he's a TMZ style hack.

Barry Jackson is the Heralds important guy. He's the one with the sources within the Dolphins and keeps the best stuff. The crap gets fed down to Armando to work into hits.

 

To add to your comment....

IT USED to work that way, years ago, but not anymore. Just about every business is about making money, and that is IT. They don't care about credibility anymore. Look how the news gets morphed into what ever their interest is about. How can so many stations, or networks, report on the same subject with completely different results. Its sad, but true.

 

Am I the only one who thinks Armando's apology is self serving as in what he was saying was " I stand by what I said but I'm sorry I said it"? Pretty damn sad if that's the case.

 

I think there was definitely a vibe in there that essentially said I'm not sorry I offended this guy but I can't believe I said something so offensive to all veterans.

 

Personally there's a little bit about that apology that does strike me disingenuous, and it's because of a personal email exchange I had with Armando years ago. When we accused his assistant of plagiarism (of which he absolutely was guilty) and accused Armando of not caring, when he offered his public apology (which was forced on him by the higher ups) he came out and said something pretty eerily similar. I'm talking about the statement below:

Well, he said something like that in his 'apology' for the plagiarism. He said what hurts about it is that he is particularly sensitive to issues of plagiarism and very conscious of it at all times and so he never thought he would ever end up accused of it. The way he worded it made it come off like he's saying, "I'm sensitive to plagiarism, my standards for it are exceptionally high, so what I did isn't REALLY wrong, they're just making me retract it for other reasons."

 

Exactly the Herald's job description for Armando's replacement would read, "and must hate and loathe the Miami Dolphins, and respond with vitriol to every move they make, and must suck up to Robert Kraft, Tom Brady, Bellicheat and the rest of the Patriots organization".

 

Really odd you say that, but your opinion is shared by many.....my opinion differs. I always thought that Armando wrote whatever the organization wanted him to and he did it to curry favor. I thought his articles and opinions were reprehensible during the stadium renovation debate. I thought his interview of Stephen Ross regarding that topic was pathetic and he let himself be completely manipulated. He asked softball question after softball question and never took Ross to task or followed up.

 

I'm talking about his overall work, and especially (IIRC) the "high-five" incident a few years back when he cheered with another local writer when it was apparent the Dolphins wouldn't make the playoffs.

 

If you want the definition of disingenuous apologies then just re-visit this thread and this blog post:

Thread
http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?48427-Plageurism&highlight=Salguero

Armando's Blog Post:
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolp...as-or-eric-berry-or-nate-allenbecause-th.html

Armando's Retraction:

Particularly enjoyed this email response from Armando toward one of the members here that blasted Armando for the plagiarism:

 

It seems like Mando is always getting himself into trouble isnt it?

High Five Gate
The Chris Cordero Plagarism thing.
And now this.(although it isnt entirely his fault)

 

Bigoted or not, Armando was also wrong. This Johnston guy seems like a loser in his own right, but what Armando wrote was pretty damn telling as to his feelings about the U.S. Military...in regards to their service in the VN War at least. If people can be fired over what they write on their own personal FB pages, then this Johnston guy may/should get into trouble with his own employer if/when they see his exchange. And as such, Armando should face more than just having to publish a public apology.

Again, if Johnston had wrote what he wrote and Armando knew, for example, that he was gay and then lashed out at all gay people I have a feeling that more would be in store for him. It sickens me that one of the groups in society that have actually made sacrifices are the ones who get the least backing from the PC police.

 

What he wrote is 100% his fault. What ever happened to personal accountability?

 

These things happen when you have the mentality of a 5th-grader.

 

It's actually been kind of fun re-visiting that whole episode. I had forgotten that while we were all posting about this in that thread in The Club Level, some mole began trying to tell Armando about everything we were posting in there and referring to everyone on the side as acting like little girls about it, etc. Good times. Always nice to have a mole in The Club Level.

For new initiates:

So what happened is that over the course of an entire draft, Simon, Richard and I compiled a list of 125 players broken up by position that the Dolphins had shown a discernible amount of interest in during the pre-Draft period. A lot of it was based on confirmations from the players themselves and their agents in private emails and DMs with Simon and myself. This list was accumulated over time and posted over and over (as it grew) in our Draft Winds series on Dave Hyde's blog.

That year, Armando hired some kid named Chris Cordero who also fancied himself a draft evaluator to essentially do for his blog what we did for Dave Hyde's blog. Armando paved his way to go to the Senior Bowl and other events, asked him to scout players and provide evaluations on his blog. At the end of it all, in his final piece before the draft, Cordero posted a list of 100 players that the Dolphins have shown interest in.

The list was in most sections a word-and-punctuation-mark-for-word-and-punctuation-mark cut and paste of our list.

http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/columnists/hyde/blog/2010/04/_so_here_we_are.html

Even things like the idiosyncratic spellings, position labels, school spellings and/or abbreviations that Simon did on his original list were copied and pasted over. Simon called Vladimir Ducasse, "Vlad Ducasse" in the list. Sure enough that was copied and pasted over as "Vlad Ducasse" in Cordero/Salguero's list. There were some other, good examples. If you notice on our list there's stuff like "(FB) John Conner - Kentucky" under the RB section. I believe that would be an example of something that is conspicuously copied and pasted over. Or Simon going all caps on the word "UCONN". I want to say even stuff like the difference between a big dash and a little dash were copied over.

The number of changes that Cordero made were very few and far between. He forgot the entire section of cornerbacks (which had 7 players) probably because he didn't drag down far enough when he was highlighting the script. He changed Dexter McCluster from a wide receiver to a tailback and changed Armanti Edwards from a wide receiver to a quarterback, but otherwise the ordering of the receivers was exactly the same. He added Carlos Dunlap and Demaryius Thomas to the list and then subtracted a total of 20 names here and there until the resulting list was a rounded out 100 names instead of 120 names. He then added some one-liner descriptions next to their names.

Voila! Original work!

Or not. It was plagiarism, plain and simple.

Short story short, Simon called him on it, Armando tried to tell him to buzz off. Then Armando got testy (and we've seen how Armando can come off on email when he gets testy) because Simon was aggressive in his accusations and because other folks started emailing him about the plagiarism while yet more folk started informing on Club Level members of ThePhins for supposedly slandering Armando. Then the Herald editors got involved, and they got nasty with Simon too. They told him to buzz off. All the while insisting nothing untoward had happened, that at best Cordero had lifted a "template". Eventually they threatened to sue us for slander for saying that Armando plagiarized. Then the Sun Sentinel got involved, and that got the Herald's dogs properly cowed.

Armando sounded pretty contrite at different points in his email with me. He said, "That doesn't excuse the fact that Simon's list was his template - his starting point, if you will. But in a classic sense, there can be debate whether this rises to plagiarism. I am not interested in engaging in this debate. I side with Simon! It is wrong. I took down the ENTIRE list. And I told people why. Furthermore, I contacted my sports editor and alerted him of the issue. We agreed on the wording of the explanation."

But at the same time, you can tell there were little needles in there...sly suggestions that this was not, in fact, plagiarism...that he's only taking it down because it hints at something that might be debatable in some circles as potential plagiarism, etc. And his explanation which he put on the official blog was scant to say the least. He and the editor asserted that Cordero's work was original and that he only started off with a "template" from us, and in several emails the editor suggested that this information was available any/everywhere which showed a CLEAR disregard for the fact that it was not the names themselves which constitute the original work but the MEMBERSHIP of the list which was lifted almost in its entirety, and was in fact original work.

Ah well. Past is the past. Good times.

 

Btw, did you guys axe Universal Draft?

 

I think the corpse is still hanging around somewhere. You can play with it, if you're into that sort of thing. But there ain't no life in them veins.

 

LOL @ him calling it a template.

 

If a racist ******* didnt egg him on this wouldnt have happened.
So yeah I'm not placing 100% of the blame on Armando, however stupid his comments were.

 

Link won't open for me...

Ok: I see why from your followup: It was in Club.

 

In a response to a reader... he just trashed all vietnam vets and then claimed immigrants run the country ?!?!? This is the guy to go to for dolphins news ? Something has to change.