Looking back at the 2010 draft...wowzers did we pass on a bunch of talent

Reshad Jones will go down as a great pick in Dolphins history.

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He's going to be a good one, for sure.

And unlike so many people here I actually credit Jeff Ireland with that pick because I credit him with personnel decisions that happened from 2008 to 2010 while he held the title of General Manager.

Or at least, when I credit him with the pick I'm not doing so hypocritically.

 

Exactly, and what we wound up with is 7-9 seasons b/c while they may have had great leadership and nice resume'...they did and do not make plays happen.

Add in, and even worse, was the philosophy of "it all starts upfront!!!"

Uhm, yeah, it all starts when you put the ball into the endzone or create the turnover.

Do notice, we've been atrocious at recovering fumbles for years.

 

BTW, can we finally put that bull**** about "oh wait 3 years to evaluate a draft" to bed now?

Guys show very quickly if they can play or not, for example is there a dime's worth of difference between Nolan Carrol in 2013 and Nolan Carrol in 2011?

Nope, 1 season, season 2 they can play or not, this is the era of FA an organization cannot waste 3 yrs training a player just to see them sign elsewhere after a good yr #4...think Sean Smith.

SS24 was the same damn player in 2012 as he was in 2009, we were patient, "this year he creates those int's!"

Uhm..no, not really, and he signed in KC.

 

Don't forget about Aaron Hernandez in the 4th.

 

I just don't understand why you guys absolutely REFUSE to admit that Ireland had to pick players that fit Parcells' blueprint and there were times he directly interfered. I just doesn't make sense anymore.

 

It set the team back from what, exactly? 1-15?

 

I think there are a lot of teams that can say the same things...He!!, 32 teams passed on Brady for 5 rounds before someone took a flyer on him in the 6th...does that make every GM some sort of idiot ?? We passed on a few folks, no doubt, that in hindsight 3 yrs later look better now than they did in the actual draft...

Not all those guys are better than guys we have on the roster now, either... Remember also that we were drafting for a different coach and regime and some of those players simply didn't fit that group of coaches... The JJ over Graham (also a guy I was beating a drum for, hurts, but there were questions about him coming out that couldn't be answered at that time... JPP had questions coming out...Dez had major red flags and still isn't elite, although that may change...Gronk is hurt and Misi isn't.... Other than Graham or Thomas...I don't have any regrets...

 

Well, they have helped their respective teams win the same number of Super Bowls. People forget the scuttlebutt at the time was that we tried to get back into round 1 to nab Hughes. When that failed we basically had to take Misi given the need at the spot and his measurables/style of play. I loved Hughes maybe the most out of CK, Boom and myself, and CK and I had some heated conversations regarding Hughes versus Graham. One thing I said when I broke him down is that he should not be used on the line in the pros because of the way he engaged blockers; he was simply way too tall and upright when he did so.

For those who want the exact wording, it is still on UD, you just have to search the article. The Colts did not use Hughes as an OLB until last year and when he was in that position he actually began to make plays. Before that he frankly sucked, not two ways about it.

 

Because 2011 was more of the same with the exception of Gates. And we all know how that turned out.

 

I still check Jag's training camp reports waiting for Mike Kafka to break out and beat Henne and Gabbert. I refuse to admit he's not going to work out.

 

Guess Funked up our future is a better description

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When the 08 Draft Class is completely gone and not a foundation at all, I'd say that is "fail" writ large.

In fact viewed in terms of ascending/descending talent from that draft overall, the one guy still ascending, Donald Thomas was waived quickly.

Basically a goat **** of talent evaluation went on.

 

That's not a good measure of success. I don't need to tell you that more goes into a player being re-signed beyond their rookie contract than their performance. A small minority of players get re-signed, and even that isn't inherently a sign that they're good or lived up to their draft status.

You can't put the 2008 in a context with other real, actually-happened drafts and suggest it was a bad draft.

 

The context is a lack of performance or even remaining presence on the roster, we had first choice in every rd that yr, not a single player remains and we have an overall losing record since then.

They weren't very good when they were here, and they are all gone, this is impossible to sugar coat.

 

Again, if you refuse to put the performance into any sort of context that you can accurately measure things in, what is the point? What are you basing your perceptions on, your opinion on how things should be? Even subconsciously, that should be based on something, no?

Kendall Langford and Jake Long made the draft at least average. Regardless if they're on the team or not.

 

You can say you didn't like the picks in multiple years but that doesn't mean the same person had final say on the picks. Ireland has flat out admitted that Parcells took guys off his board and made some selections. We don't know exactly which ones they were, but we know Parcells had final say. We can guess at guys like Reshad Jones and say he was probably an Ireland pick since Parcells didn't scout as many late round guys. And we can guess that Pat White was probably a Parcells pick since he had scouted him personally and talked about how that type of player could change the NFL. But those would be guesses. We don't know, so I try to be consistent and assume that all the picks we don't know who made the call on fall under Parcells while he was in charge. Now some picks we do know. For example, we know Parcells picked Long over Ryan. We know Ireland was in charge of the UDFA scouting so the Wake's and Bess were his call. I don't see why that's such a difficult distinction.

I hated the 2008 draft and made many of the same criticisms that were talked about in this thread. (But I did them at the time, not in hindsight). I'm just not going to place all the blame on Ireland when I know that he didn't have final say.

 

Wowzer (seriously who says that) do you ever post anything positive ever? Are you aware there is a rants section?

 

2011 when they still had the same coach and were running the same system....that 2011?

 

It isn't just talent acquisition, who we picked and who we didn't pick.

Coaching makes a serious difference too. Bad coaching can make players worse, plus coaches trying to fit square pegs into round holes happens all the time.
This was the genius of Don Shula, he knew how to change his system to fit the talent, he knew how to train/coach/develop players to get the maximum performance out of them.
I'm not saying that our '08 and '11 drafts were full of talent and we had great drafts, just that having a muppet coach them did not help us at all.

 

Miami's drafting habits have been a ? for along time, going back to Wanny. Just bad at it. I look at the Saints, Ravens, Steelers, etc.al. and I wonder why not us. I think Ireland has improved in the last couple of years.

 

All I'm saying is that Parcells and Ireland shared a philosophy. Luckily, Mr. Ross hired Coach Philbin and JI adapted. I just want to root for a winning team.

 

Ireland had to work within the confines of Parcells' philosophy but that doesn't necessarily mean they shared a philosophy, at least not in regards to the draft and player blueprints. If Ireland did indeed share Parcells' philosophy, it left the second Parcells stepped down and handed him over control.

 

Yawn.

 

I agree...you're clearly sleepy.

 

Why are we talking about a draft that has zero to do with the current regime? Nobody can pin 2010 on Ireland - It has already been clarified that Parcells called those shots.

Move on.

 

I was simply pointing out my biggest frustration with the Misi/gronkowski picks and discussing Dez Bryant...We missed OT on tons of talent in 2010 obviously, not sure what else there is to say.

While I don't hate Jeff Ireland as you do, I don't really love any of our drafts pre or post Parcells (in case someone wants to scape goat him). I still question his ability to judge skill positions. Truth is, he'll be back regardless of my feelings about him.

I thought 2011 sucked too. That Daniel Thomas trade up pick was pathetic. 2012 was OK, but I wasn't happy with certain picks. Namely in round 3... Ireland passing up on more WRs when we just drafted a rookie QB and had zero talent around him. Sanu and Givens were ripe for the picking. I liked both a lot. Lamar Miller was probably my favorite pick though. Brownie points there.

2013 was alright. Got nice value for Dion Jordan. Although I hated losing any picks. thought the draft was really deep in rounds 2 and 3. Still, DJ is a specialplayer and we got him cheap. Not really a huge fan of the draft after the Taylor pick. I like Dallas Thomas enough, but I hated passing on all those WRs. Especially Stedman Bailey. And the Will Davis pick was a bit of a head scratcher... But he may turn out to be a stud, so...

Well have to wait and see how these two drafts shape up. There's potential there. Moreso than in years past.

 

I knew there was going to be two total steals in this 2013 draft, and I knew we wouldn't get either. Eddie Lacy dropping to Green Bay was not what the league wanted. Instant running game for Rodgers. His footwork, size, and speed...with Rodgers as his QB. BIG YEAR for Lacy coming.

Tyrann Matheiu is probably the single biggest defensive playmaker I have seen in years and years. This guy is like having offense on your defense.
He scored more TD's as a Defensive Back and Punt Returner at LSU than some RB's or WR's do. Arizona got a steal of steals.

Jarvis Jones dropped way to far, what about his numbers and career at Georiga (SEC) put him behind any other LB.

Womack is a beast blue chipper at Guard. Tavon Austin was the best WR in this draft. People put to much into size and 40 times. Rams were smart to trade up.

There are others, but these are a few.

 

While you have good points, especially about 40 times. I also liked Jarvis Jones quite a lot too. However, I'm not really a big Austin or honey badger fan.

Tyrann Matheiu has a lot of maturity issues and substance abuse problems. Hardly an ideal combination. While he's having a (reportedly) great camp in Arizona, there are still question marks about his game. Having to sit out for a season didn't help either, as we never saw him mature as a player beyond his ball hawking. And I don't trust him to stay on the straight and narrow. And If he reaches a strong level of success, I would be worried about that second contract. Does he fall back into his old ways? I would not have been a huge fan of that pick. I think he's fools gold.

And I'm still not convinced Tavon Austin is the best WR in the 2013 draft. I'm not even convinced he'll be a great pro. Size does matter in the NFL, depending upon the position. How many guys with Tavon's stature are dominating in the NFL? How many are consistently healthy? I'm not comfortable with Tavon Austin in the top 10. Maybe not even in round 1. I'm not comfortable with him competing against 250 lb linebackers and 220 lb safeties for the next 10 years. It's a bad bet, IMO. Especially top 10 and round 1. Round 2? Now I'm more open minded...

 

Devin McCourtney. Are you ****ing kidding me.

 

The sharing is unequal when one side is the boss. I would say that Ireland's philosophy is closer to Philbin's than Parcells' is/was.

 

Personally, I'm still not over that draft 14 years ago when we passes on Tom Brady.

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So, Marino, JT and ZT. Only picks I can remember in the last few decades that you cannot point to a different guy who should have been picked. Am I missing anyone? I'm not counting the last two drafts, someone might be able to make the list. I'm looking at you Ryan and Dion.

 

Jones > McCourty

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where were you when very very few agreed with me on Matthieu during predraft..unbelievable differences of opinion on that guys talent, where he would go, what he projected as in terms of position, and at what level of star he would achieve...

Imo, gonna be a great player.

Arians looks to me like he's gonna be a great coach.

 

Yup, the Dolphins were the only team to pass on those players. 20/20 hindsight.

If, ifs and buts were candies and nuts, we'd all have a merry xmas.

 

JJ was pretty bad at picking offensive players too.