Looking ahead to 2010 prospects

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  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    His stock has already crashed imo.....those are just a couple of ISSUES the player has...
     
  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The arrogance is what got me to watch the player VERY very closely early in his career, what i saw was a punk kid tryin to act like a bad ***, when he should a been workin on his game with the right intentions. He's all about the glamour of the position, and right now, with all this attention, he's in his glory...Dude ain't foolin me, ive studied him for three years.

    His game and talent, it all screams combine.He'll be able to show his talent just like he wants, in shirts and shorts..

    You get him on a NFL football field, he's toast between the ears, the dude affects more games negatively, in crucial situations, i just lost count, wait..3 and 18 against rated football teams.

    He's a body thrower, that needs momentum, and room in the pocket, to get his throws off. His best throw is the fade, because thats where he does'nt have to think, he just gets to just throw the ball up in the air, with his pretty spirals.

    Does not do a good job finding his passing lanes, and at times, completely throws to spots, almost blindly..
     
  3. djphinfan

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    Watching arizona and the 49ers linebackers makes me drool. we have nobody even close to the style of play of a Dansby, willis, spikes, ahmad brooks.

    I would expect 3 linebackers in this draft.
     
  4. padre31

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    Not seeing that Deej, what if we put Wake at SLB, leave JP at WLB and pick up a ILB to replace AkinA? That I can see, in fact if we pick up a OLB at all I suspect he will be a developmental type to take Erik Walden's place.

    I cannot see us moving forwards with Thomas, Smiley and Garner as our Guards, not with Sparano's emphasis on a dominating Oline.
     
  5. djphinfan

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    1 Starting inside linebacker, one outside backer, and 1 project linebacker, 1 tight end, 1 guard, and 1 returner.

    I'am Watching a linebacking unit dominate a hi tech passing game tonight. were at least gettin 2 Padre...what a display of talent with Ahmad books, Willis and Spikes.

    You know what side i'am on...linebacker
     
  6. texanphinatic

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    Just heard on ESPN that its expected Locker will return to school for his senior season. Should boost Clausen and Bradfords stock. May make another QB (Ponder?) look to fill the void as well if this does pan out.
     
  7. texanphinatic

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    Id also like to have a Crabtree and Vernon Davis. Seen San Fran a few times and these guys are playmakers, guys we dont have.
     
  8. padre31

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    Deej...that was the same thinking heading into Draft 09, and Tuna and Irish went in 100% the opposite direction and added Wake and JT...:lol:

    As for a returner, those players are so hit and miss, a UDFA is just as likely to be a great returner as a #2 pick would be.

    Warner got dropped on his head early in the game DJ, he has not played like he normally does since that happened.
     
  9. djphinfan

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    niners are a good young team with a lot of talent..

    Tight end..Wide receiver..linebacker, three units that we have a severe lack of atheticism relative to other NFL teams...man our weaknesses are glaring, really dont see us going outside that box come april.
     
  10. alen1

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    What's most interesting, watching a bit of the game tonight, is how far Ahmad Brooks has come from his life struggles to being a success in some form on the football field.
     
  11. alen1

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    Don't expect Ponder to declare, as he won't from everything I know. I imagine Colt McCoy is getting a hard look now.
     
  12. padre31

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    Odell Thurman as well, he was just a beast in the UFL and it would not surprise me a bit if winds up on a NFL roster in 2010.
     
  13. Boomer

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    Lol. Pray tell how his stock has 'already crashed'?
     
  14. Boomer

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    As a sophomore, Brooks was a top 5 pick. Unquestionably. It's been a long road back and kudos to him for making it, but what a monumental screw job he made of his life. Neither he or Blackstock looked to be amounting to a hill of beans which, given their talent level, was a shocker.
     
  15. Boomer

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    I just don't buy any of that on any level. Unfortunately, you,ve allowed personal feelings for a prospect to cloud your judgement.
     
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  16. alen1

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    Yeah him and Blackstock were pretty big time at Virginia.
     
  17. Boomer

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    Brooks was awesome. I remember watching him as a sophomore and it was like watching an NFL linebacker play Pop Warner.
     
  18. alen1

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    That was the same class with Heath Miller and Chris Canty IIRC.
     
  19. Boomer

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    Yeah, you're probably right. I was just looking back at his sophomore stats; he had 117 tackles, four sacks, six passes defensed, 10 TFL and 15 QB pressures. He was a finalist for the Butkus and then it all went wrong.
     
  20. ckparrothead

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    If I change my mind from negative to positive about a high QB prospect, it's much more likely to be Ryan Mallett than Jimmy Clausen.
     
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  21. Boomer

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    To be fair, I'd be very surprised if Mallett came out this year.
     
  22. ckparrothead

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    They both should stay in school. But Clausen is coming out, of course.
     
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  23. Boomer

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    I'm of the opinion that all QB's should stay for four years. I really hope Christian Ponder doesn't do anything silly on that front.
     
  24. padre31

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    Isn't Ponder injured?
     
  25. Boomer

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    Yes but not to the point where he wouldn't declare.
     
  26. my 2 cents

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    are you still communicating with your new BFF from Tally that was/is vacationing at Oxford..........? :lol:
     
  27. djphinfan

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    while I understand where you get that from,Thats a pretty big judgement about me that i cannot seperate the 2, That would be incorrect, watching him play football for 15 to 20 games is why I Project him where I do at the next level.
    On top of that, I've seen mannerisms and traits that make me question his leadership qualities, very much.
     
  28. Boomer

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    He's back in the_US now but I talk to McKinley, his kid brother.
     
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  29. Boomer

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    Just watched back to back Georgia Tech games. I'll put this out there now but I must have caught Derrick Morgan on a bad day earlier in the season because I just watched 8 quarters of awesome. Man he was good. His quickness off the snap is remarkable and he's relentless. Did I mention his pace off the snap? I know that Clemson's OL is mediocre at best, but he was killing people in the ACC title game. Then against Wake he had 3 sacks and 3.5 tackles for a loss. At FSU when I saw him earlier, we held him in check pretty much but this was 8 quarters of domination the like of which should put him in the top 7 picks at worst. I truly mean that. If he comes out, I think he could get up into the top 5. With Suh, McCoy and Berry, that's going to make for an awfully interesting draft.

    Back to that ACC title game for a minute; CJ Spiller was incredible. He's Chris Johnson redux and I think he'll also go high. I'll be amazed if he gets out of the top ten. Again Jon Dwyer was impressive and you know what makes him so good is that he had 1,500 yards rushing in the ACC out of that triple option where he never once lined up as a conventional back. Not once. The BEST look he had at defences was from the FB position which gives him a maximum of three yards to the LOS scrimmage rather than the usual 5 that a tailback has. He also likes to smash people in the mouth as a blocker. Da'Quan Bowers is still the top 5 pick I said he would be 12 months ago. Brandon Maye is going to be a hell of a linebacker in a couple of years for the Tigers. But Morgan just blew me away.
     
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    What's your take on Demaryius Thomas? I like him but I wonder about the explosion factor.
     
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  31. Boomer

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    Hard to get a handle on him in that offense. I've also seen him drop 3 simple passes in 3 games which is never great.
     
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    And you managed to stay awake?

    I like Morgan as a college player..which is to say that I don't "hate" him...but he has looked like crap way too often....

    He has a soft streak in him and has alot of the tarzan/jane attributes I gave to Michael Johnson last year.

    If you remember I said that Michael Johnson sucked *** last year and I wouldn;t draft him with a free pick.

    I am gonna call this one early as well. he can't play.
     
  33. alen1

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    Anthony Davis, the Rutgers OT, is expected to enter the Draft. However, there are character questions going on with him right now. He's been suspended twice already for violating team rules, he came in to camp overweight and was demoted to second string in camp for a short period.

    South Carolina tight end Wesley Saunders is strongly considering the NFL Draft right now.

    Maryland's OT Bruce Campbell is expected to go to the Draft.

    There are several sources stating that Ras I Dowling will be entering the Draft but Mike London is expected to try and persuade him to stay. Apparently, one of the issues with Dowling that NFL Scouts have is that they feel he's a tweener, between CB and FS.

    Expect Jason Worilds to enter the Draft.

    Baylor's NT Phil Taylor is staying in school.

    Abilene Christian University OT Tony Washington has been removed from several NFL teams boards completely, despite receiving a third round grade, because of a "severe" off the field problem. He was expected to go to LSU or Lousiana Tech but didn't have the grades too and then quit football his freshman year of high school. He was talked back into it his senior year. He then sat out 2005 because of grades.
     
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  34. ToddsPhins

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    Boom, I told ya Morgan was an absolute stud! :tongue2: He's been my #2 rated impact player behind Suh but ahead of MCCoy and Berry by a dingle.

    Isn't it amazing how he can just turn it up another notch that most players don't even have in their gear ratio? CJ is the same way. Morgan feels and believes that he can make something happen on any given play. He looked mediocre at times bc he WAS their Dline and teams were doing everything they could to neutralize him and get him to run all over the field to try and make plays. It's pretty easy to wear someone out and nullify their game if you don't have to worry about the rest of their weak front 4.

    IMO he's a possibly a dream SOLB and one of the reasons I wanted to swith to a 4-3 with Morgan- Soliai- Starks- Wake. That's 3 relentless mo-fos right there. LOL.

    Spiller definitely didn't deserve a Heisman invitation for his last performance considering how well Tebow played in his loss. :shifty:
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    I strongly disagree. Morgan has virtually zero supporting cast around him, yet he takes the D on his shoulders and maxes himself to exertion every week to give his team a chance to win. He's been double and triple teamed and teams will design plays to get him running all over the field in pursuit to wear him down. He's the real deal. Watch the 1st Clemson game before the rest of the country knew what he was all about. Clemson didn't come in thinking he needed extra attention to gameplan against, and Morgan proved them wrong. He was a 1 man machine and the reason Gtech won the game.
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  36. Stitches

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    Yea the GT defense is average at best, and that is only because of Morgan and Morgan. :wink2:
     
  37. ToddsPhins

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    Laughing.... they sound like they should be a law firm. :lol:
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  38. Boomer

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    I know. That offense is hateful.

    I disagree about Morgan. Never took a play off, mixed it up physically big time, showed astounding hustle for 4 quarters, was knifing through into the backfield on almost every down, showed decent 2nd and 3rd moves. Honestly, he was playing with a controlled rage. He was the antithesis of Michael Johnson. I love Jerry Hughes, but Morgan is far more impressive.
     
  39. Section126

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    I hope you are right about him..I don't wish any ill on any player just to prove me right....

    The problem I see with him is his failure to use his hands during his rushes.

    he has a very quick first step, but when a OT locks his arms on him...he is immobile. Saw that quite a bit.

    What I saw is a guy that conceded plays when a OT got him first.

    if he didn't beat you with his initial burst...the play was over for him.

    I will say this...he is HOT on the Mocks....he is flying up boards...Top 10 pick at least according to most.

    I am a big fan of Hughes, Sapp, and Edds over Morgan...although I think they are different type of players.

    Hughes, Sapp, and Edds are classic 5-2 ends (3-4 OLB)...while Morgan is a pro style 4-3 RDE.


    I am with ya on Dwyer...he is gonna be a sledgehammer in the pros.
     
  40. ckparrothead

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    When I get done with my series of three or four games on Demaryius Thomas, I'm just going to warn people right now...if I catch any opportunities for speed calibration and I see him running step for step with a verified 4.4 speed guy...I'm going to be all over Demaryius. He'll probably be my new man crush.
     

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