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Lombardi's opinion of the top players at each position

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by rafael, Aug 29, 2012.

  1. rafael

    rafael Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Apr 6, 2008
    On NFL.com Lombardi provided his annual list of the best players at each position. I tend to like Lombardi's player evaluations and respect his opinions. (I don't always like his team evaluations b/c it seems that sometimes he lets his personal feelings about people he's worked with/against cloud his team evals, but I like his scouting ability with regards to individual players). I posted the positions that had Dolphins listed. We had several red chip players (top 10), but only one blue chip player (top 5). We had top players at DE, DT and CB on defense and T and C on offense. Bush was listed as being close at RB as well. Personally, I thought Dansby deserved a mention at ILB. I may not have put him on the list b/c he started off so poorly last year, but I thought he played at a top 10 level during the second half of the season. IMO we need Dansby to be a top 10 player for us along with finding a top 10 pass catcher (TE or WR) (actually he uses top 15 for WR), maybe a top 10 S and of course for RT to develop into a top 10 QB in this league for us to be a perennial contender again. I posted this b/c it shows that despite some media and fan perceptions, we're not universally seen as talentless. I think we have depth issues and some key holes, but this team is not devoid of talent. For comparison's sake, (I didn't check every team, just a few top contenders) the Ravens had the most players listed at 8, Giants and Packers had 6 and the Pats, Steelers and Texans had 7. This compares favorably with our 5 players listed and almost 6 since he said Bush was close. If RT becomes the player we hope he does then I think this team is on the right track. In this league it obviously comes down to the QB. I also thought it was noteworthy that he listed Sean Smith as a top 10 player at his position.


    Definition of a blue-chip player
    » Demonstrates rare abilities and creates mismatches that have an obvious impact on the game.
    » Is a premier player in the league and a weapon on the field.
    » Combines competitiveness and skill to provide a consistent championship-level performance.
    » Rates in the top five at his position in the league.

    Definition of a red-chip player
    » Has abilities that can create mismatches vs. most opponents in the league.
    » Is a featured player on his team and has an impact on the outcome of the game.
    » Can't be taken out of the game in a one-on-one matchup.
    » Is consistent from week to week.
    » Plays at a championship level.
    » Rates in the top 10 at his position in the league.


    Blue chips
    Jared Allen, Vikings
    Trent Cole, Eagles
    Jason Pierre-Paul, Giants
    Red Bryant, Seahawks
    Julius Peppers, Bears

    Red chips
    Jason Babin, Eagles
    Justin Tuck, Giants
    J.J. Watt, Texans
    Cameron Wake, Dolphins
    Cliff Avril, Lions


    Blue chips
    Ndamukong Suh, Lions
    Vince Wilfork, Patriots
    Haloti Ngata, Ravens
    Darnell Dockett, Cardinals
    Justin Smith, 49ers

    Red chips
    Kevin Williams, Vikings
    Paul Soliai, Dolphins
    Brodrick Bunkley, Saints
    Richard Seymour, Raiders
    Geno Atkins, Bengals


    Blue chips
    Darrelle Revis, Jets
    Joe Haden, Browns
    Lardarius Webb, Ravens
    Johnathan Joseph, Texans
    Carlos Rogers, 49ers

    Red chips
    Nnamdi Asomugha, Eagles
    Champ Bailey, Broncos
    Brent Grimes, Falcons
    Sean Smith, Dolphins
    Brandon Flowers, Chiefs


    Blue Chips
    LeSean McCoy, Eagles
    Ray Rice, Ravens
    Arian Foster, Texans
    Maurice Jones-Drew, Jaguars
    Marshawn Lynch, Seahawks

    Red Chips
    Chris Johnson, Titans
    Michael Turner, Falcons
    Matt Forte, Bears
    DeAngelo Williams, Panthers
    Darren Sproles, Saints

    » Tough to keep Adrian Peterson and Darren McFadden off the list, but both were hurt last year and must show they have still have the same talent -- and can play for all 16 games.
    » Reggie Bush was close to making the red-chip list, but I couldn't take anyone off.
    » Forte missed four games last year. He was a blue-chipper when he played, but the injury makes him a red right now.
    » I fully expect Johnson to be a blue this year, but based on last year's tape, he was just barely a red.


    Blue Chips
    Joe Thomas, Browns
    Jake Long, Dolphins
    Ryan Clady, Broncos
    Michael Roos, Titans
    Duane Brown, Texans

    Red Chips
    Michael Oher, Ravens
    Joe Staley, 49ers
    Jordan Gross, Panthers
    Bryan Bulaga, Packers
    Andrew Whitworth, Bengals


    Blue Chips
    Nick Mangold, Jets
    Alex Mack, Browns
    Max Unger, Seahawks
    Maurkice Pouncey, Steelers
    Ryan Kalil, Panthers

    Red Chips
    Mike Pouncey, Dolphins
    Nick Hardwick, Chargers
    Chris Myers, Texans
    Scott Wells, Rams
    Kyle Cook, Bengals
  2. Killer Bees

    Killer Bees Bringin' the Ruckus

    Aug 14, 2011
    It's good to see guys like Smith, Soliai, and Pouncey get their respect around the League.
  3. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Jul 5, 2009
    Red Bryant ahead of Wake?
  4. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Ryan Clady is a blue chip player??
  5. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

    Sep 13, 2011
    Cameron Wake is going to have a monster year. He'll be a blu.e chip at seasons end. Same with Sean Smith. If Bush stays healthy he passes up Sproles as well.
  6. shouright

    shouright Banned

    Dec 13, 2007
    The problem IMO is that we have no offensive playmakers, including QB, on any of those lists.
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  7. Fineas

    Fineas Club Member Luxury Box

    Jan 5, 2008
    Red Bryant has to have been a mistake. How is a DE with 2 career sacks in 4 seasons one of the top 5 DEs in the NFL? I don't care how good he might be against the run (and he's not that good), a DE has to have some pass rush ability to be top 5.
  8. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

    Mar 22, 2008
    Seattle didn't give Bryant all that money for nothing. He is a monster. Really he's more of a DT or 3-4 DE, but in that defense it works.
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  9. Fineas

    Fineas Club Member Luxury Box

    Jan 5, 2008

    Bush was close to making the list and I'd put him ahead of Lynch and Sproles. Our QB is a rookie. We obviously don't have a WR worthy of being on the list, but I'd put Fasano in the next group of 5 or so TEs.
  10. shouright

    shouright Banned

    Dec 13, 2007
    The teams that are contenders have a QB and at least one other offensive playmaker on that list. That's where we need to get IMO. This year is all about getting Tannehill developed to the point where he can be on that list someday soon.

    The Pats got Gronkowski and Hernandez, both blue-chippers and heavy-duty mismatch players in today's game, in the 2nd round or later a couple years ago. Amazing. Couple them with Brady and Welker, who are also on the list, and you see why they're still so potent on offense, despite not having a stud RB or deep threat WR.
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  11. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

    Nov 28, 2007
    Pembroke Pines, FL
    Michael Roos has no business being either a blue or red chip, and Jake Long is better than Joe Thomas--when healthy.

    Other than that, it's a pretty good list.
  12. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    I always thought it strange how often players get conflated that don't make any sense.

    Justin Smith is a 3-4 DE but considered a DT, while Red Bryant plays pretty close to the same position and is considered a 4-3 DE.

    Bryant is quite good, but would you consider him a top interior linemen(whom he fits much better?) I don't think so, really.
  13. Fineas

    Fineas Club Member Luxury Box

    Jan 5, 2008
    I'm not going to pretend that I have watched all of Red Bryant's snaps and evaluated each one. But PFF has and they have as the 48th best 4-3 DE. He has 2 sacks in 4 seasons and his other pass rush stats and underwhelming as well. His overall rating is in the negative, i.e., below average, and his 22 tackles is nothing special, nor is his 18 stops. Just don't see how he comes anywhere close to being a top 5 4-3 DE. To the extent he is viewed as a 3-4 DE or 4-3 DT, I don't think he is even as good as Starks or Odrick.
  14. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    That one sack season went a long way.
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  15. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

    Dec 2, 2007
    Look at Sean Smith getting love as a top 10 CB. Love to see that as well as Long, Pouncey, Wake, Soliai and Bush.
  16. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    You could include Wake on the list of players there that could have bee acquired via free agency or trade , but quite a few players were available to be had.

    Joseph , Rogers , Bailey , Asomugha ,Lynch , Turner , Sproles , Allen , Peppers , if Reggie produces like he did last year we can add him to the list.

    Bottom line , make more right moves than wrong ones , in all areas and you can win ... we haven't done that and of course we need playmakers ... Tanneyhill hopefully is a start.
  17. canesz06

    canesz06 Well-Known Member

    Mar 13, 2012
    Brandon Marshall and Wes Welker are both red chips. Man, I wish we could have had guys like that on our team. Oh wait.................

    NJFINSFAN1 Premium Member Luxury Box

    Nov 24, 2007
    Northwest New Jersey
    Interesting that Smith and not Davis is on this, I agree with it, but others won't.
  19. Mcduffie81

    Mcduffie81 Wildcat Club Member

    Mar 23, 2008
    Lake Worth, Fl.
    Cannot stand Lombardi anymore. He's just as wish washy as your average fan. Wasn't it last year he said Donald Penn was the games best offensive tackle? Penn didn't make either of his Tackle lists.

    Do appreciate the post though.
  20. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Jul 5, 2009
    I agree that he's a good player but I don't see him as a better end than Wake.
  21. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

    Nov 25, 2007
    Sunny Florida
    Any wonder why the 49er defense is so dominant?

    Blue chip DT (actually 3-4 DE)
    TWO Blue chip ILBs
    Blue chip OLB
    Blue chip CB
    Red chip safety

    So basically a Top 5 lineman, three Top 5 linebackers, a Top 5 corner and a Top 10 safety. **** me....

    Blue chip TE
    Red chip LT
    Red chip G

    Blue chip head coach

    I'd say a blue chip GM as well.
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  22. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

    Mar 22, 2008
    Different position really.
  23. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    The way to build a winner? and their QB till last year was a bust.
  24. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

    Jul 24, 2012
    lol you must be joking.

    I wouldn't. Gonzales, Owen Daniels, Gresham, Greg Olsen, Fred Davis, Pettigrew, and Celek are all better. hell even Dustin Keller is better.

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