List of Negatives-Week 11

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  1. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    It most certainly is. And arguing that it's not is asinine.

    We have no top end talent at WR.
    We have nothing at TE.
    Our Oline is sieve-like with little to no depth.
    We have one quality pass rusher.
    Our LB corp is average.
    Aside from Reshad Jones, our secondary is a joke.
    And we have a kicker who can't hit an FG from outside of 45 yards.
     
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  2. Berezo

    Berezo Well-Known Member

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    Think Bill Polian is interested?
     
  3. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    They're actually not the two worst defenses anymore after playing us :lol:
     
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  4. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Sure he is and so would Michael Lombardi.
     
  5. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    The Miami Dolphins: The perfect medicine for a sick defense!
     
  6. PSG

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    Too bad there won't be an opening....
     
  7. SICK

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    The Miami dolphins: turning your defense from dog **** to the 85' bears in one 4 quarter game!
     
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  8. Stringer Bell

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    This by no means is a list that is out of the ordinary for today's NFL. The fact that people complain about "only one pass-rusher" when there are plenty of teams with 0 pass-rushers is quite the microcosm here.
     
  9. gandalfin

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    Not as much as a player that can do those things and still make picks when they hit him in the hands.
     
  10. dolfan32323

    dolfan32323 ty xphinfanx

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    Yeah, but how many of those teams with 0 passrushers are super bowl contenders? As long as we're content with mediocrity, there is no pressing need to add another pass-rusher.
     
  11. dolfan22

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    I also don't think there will be .

    Nice to have that type of job security with the results that have been generated I suppose. Winner , Jeff Ireland , loser? Miami and their fans?
     
  12. Stringer Bell

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    Who said there wasn't a need for another? My point is that there are 60+ DEs in the NFL that are consistently tasked with rushing the passer. There are maybe 15-20 that actually are consistently good. Suggesting that not having two is some type of failure is ridiculous, when odds are against every team even having one.

    And thats not to say that we don't need another pass-rusher. Certainly its better than not having another. But its hard to criticize the team for "only having one".
     
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  13. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    I'd have to see the play again, but from the glimpses I saw I thought Clay didn't run a very crisp route there and seemed to drift off the wrong way.
     
  14. Berezo

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    So you prefer to remain a non-contender? The goal is a championship here...if you want something less, I guess you are getting what you want.

    Its more so looking at the bigger picture. Team isn't even close to competing for something meaningful and he's been here for what? 5 years or so....
     
  15. HardKoreXXX

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    It looked like Tannehill felt the pressure and rushed it. I could be wrong, and there may have been a miscommunication as to whether Tannehill thought he was going to cut in, but my initial feeling was that it was just a bad pass.
     
  16. Stringer Bell

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    I'm sorry my expectations are rooted in reality. Do you prefer to not be the world's first trillionaire?????


    There should be nothing resembling championship expectations when you have a rookie QB an rookie HC.
     
  17. Berezo

    Berezo Well-Known Member

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    No kidding, I didn't expect a championship this year. I expected us to at least have a competent team on the field after 5 years of the same talent evaluator. You see how many holes are on the field, you aren't blind. You see the product, you see how bad it is...it hits you right in the face.

    The question is why when we started over with this new regime, why didn't we take on a new GM? He is just as responsible for the mediocrity of this team as anyone else.
     
  18. Stringer Bell

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    I don't think holes on a roster is really an indictment. There are championship contending teams that have glaring holes. Hell, the Giants won a SB with Gibril Wilson as their starting safety.

    This is a league where stars and coaches carry teams. The stars in today's league are almost all QBs. The product Miami is putting on the field pretty much goes as the QB goes. 12 days ago, would you have said the team was competent? Has the talent on the team changed in 12 days?
     
  19. Berezo

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    Competent? Sure. The offense this year hasn't shown me anything other than the Arizona game. Point is...I think that Jeff Ireland is a good scout. He can find you guys that other people cannot and he knows how to evaluate talent. He isn't capable of putting together a winning team though. He is a scout, not a GM.
     
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  20. PSG

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    What about the fact that we have zero top end talent at WR, when there are plenty of teams that have 2? Or what about the rest of the many holes on this roster?
    But you guys are right, lets just keep spinning our tires and turning out sub .500 seasons every year.
    Fun times.
     
  21. Stringer Bell

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    Again, holes on the roster are nothing out of the ordinary. Yes, this team needs a WR. Needing a WR isn't going to be enough to warrant someone being fired, especially when you had a talented WR that the new coach wanted gone.

    The more logical expectation would be to spin your tires until you have a QB playing at an elite level.
     
  22. GMJohnson

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    You're right, it didn't have to be. We could have kept Vontae and Brandon Marshall, not cut Ocho, any number of other moves (trading for WR help) to help us go 9-7, make the playoffs, and claim our, what? Cookie?

    But that' not what the decision makers decided to do and this was made clear when they decided not to make any of those moves. The plan was/is to let the season play out, conserve cap space, keep the draft picks and go into the offseason with some serious ammo. If you disagree with that strategy, fine, there's definitely an argument to be made there. But to pretend as though the front office was going balls out to win this year is either naive or disingenuous IMO.
     
  23. GMJohnson

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    You shoulda stopped after #1.
     
  24. PSG

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    Yeah, cuz that's our only hole.
     
  25. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    The thing about the OLine depth is weird to be because it was just two years ago that Nate Garner looked like a great back up. A lot of people thought he should be a starter.

    This season he has looked beyond terrible.
     
  26. GMJohnson

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    ^^^ I'm mad this has to explained. As if there are elite pass rushers all over the place and Ireland neglected to grab one.

    Actually, another edge rusher would be nice but some pressure up the middle is what we're missing. Wake can beat his man all day long and the QB just slides up into the pocket and makes a throw. Another edge rusher isn't going to fix that.
     
  27. Section126

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    I never understood how some people think that losing goes hand in hand with rebuilding.

    Had they just kept Marshall, or replaced him, it might have meant 2 more wins.

    Sorry...but 9-7 and a "cookie" is better than 6-10 and boredom.
     
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  28. HardKoreXXX

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    I certainly don't think anyone is arguing that. Pretty obvious in fact, given the moves you mentioned. Then again, the front office themselves said this wasn't a re-building year. I know, I know, they have to say that, for appearances and all. To sell tickets, etc.

    I think if you draft a QB high, and you have confidence in that selection, then you could try to win right away. There's really no harm in keeping a guy you traded for 2 years ago and and a guy you drafted in the first round 3 years ago and making a run at the playoffs.
     
  29. ckparrothead

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    I think this argument that nobody has two pass rushers is really stretching things awful thin.

    If you were to go onto PFF right now and sort all 63 of their 4-3 Defensive Ends by PFF's pass rush ratings...can anyone guess which player ranks #63 of 63 with a -19.0 grade? That would be Jared Odrick.

    And who on the football team other than Jared Odrick rushes the passer from defensive end? Olivier Vernon? Derrick Shelby? Sometimes Koa Misi?

    I can't speak for everyone but whenever I point out that the Dolphins don't have anyone who can rush the passer from the edge other than Cam Wake, I mean anyone who can even show competence at that job. I'm not asking for Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis in their prime. That would be nice but that's not the point. The point is, when Cam Wake is blocked, the pressure doesn't come from anyone else. That's a problem, to me.
     
  30. Fin-Omenal

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    This roster is subpar.




    Isn't it obvious?
     
  31. muscle979

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    Yes it is if you're not closing your eyes, covering your ears, and humming loudly.
     
  32. Fin-Omenal

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    Hey.


    Leave Phinsational out of this.
     
  33. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    I just heard Dansby say he has been playing for 3 games with a brace for a torn biceps that severely limits his range of motion. No wonder he can't catch the ball. Man, that's got to hurt.
     
  34. Sceeto

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    Keep giving Rishard Matthews more snaps, let the rook sit and learn and regain his composure, put Moore in and maybe we can salvage the season. :pointlol: :escape:
     
  35. GMJohnson

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    I don't disagree at all. We certainly could have done that. All I'm sayin is that Ireland chose not to do it and I adjusted my expectations for the season accordingly.
     
  36. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    So, just so I get this straight. You're okay with Miami Dolphins players putting their lives in jeopardy with very little chance to succeed because that's the direction Ireland mapped out?
     
  37. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    what?
     
  38. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    A career can be over in a heartbeat.
     
  39. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    Keep in mind that there was a huge change of philosophy (Sparano to Philbin... 3-4 to 4-3) so I am willing to bet only 10-15% of the team that was on the roster when Sparano was the HC in 2011 will be on the roster for us opening day in 2013.

    I guess we have to wait until Marshall does something stupid to really justify trading him however we really don't know the details of why the trade really happened and we probably never will.
     
  40. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    Putting their lives in jeopardy? You're being overdramatic about this.

    This team is rebuilding not just a roster... but a culture. I assume they didn't feel Marshall would help the culture of this team long-term. That's my guess because I doubt it is talent-related.
     

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