Let's play "Compare the QBs!"

-Rivers began his 2nd season as a starter 1-3, with the 4th game being a 30-16 loss to a 4-12 Chiefs team where he completed only 21 of 42 for 211 and 2 INTs (0 TDs) and a rating of 44.

Now what do you have to say?

 

See, this is where you're logic is WRONG. Your illogical pessimistic self (for some unknown reason) is assuming Henne will fall on his face the rest of the season, as if you almost WANT him to fail. This is completely backwards thinking b/c there is nothing about Henne's career to date that supports your unfounded argument.

It's MUCH more logical to extrapolate his stats over an entire season based on his current four games than it is to say Henne will decline b/c he's YET to show any signs of decline. All he's done is improve from day 1. So if anything, the stats that I used for him might be understated.

ALSO.... I used the ENTIRE 2nd season of everyone else which means they're getting the benefit of 12 EXTRA games of experience for which they could've seen vast improvement during, JUST AS RIVERS greatly improved after his horrid 1-3 start. If I had the time to dig up everyone's first 4 games of their 2nd season, their stats would probably look worse that what I listed (see Rivers again)..... or see Brady's first 4 games as a starter.

You can't just completely disallow Henne's first 4 games. They happened. Just b/c you want him to fail doesn't mean they never existed. Actually, Henne's stats would look better if it weren't for our Special Teams play. There would be 2 less INTs on the books.

 

This forum would be full of crickets....... boats wouldn't be able to pass under Intracoastal bridges b/c the bodies would be stacked to the surface.

 

Did you just come back from the dentist's office?

 

Cherry picking? How many more examples do I need to give of QBs who go through developmental woes during their first few years? Seriously. And it's not like I used crappy QB's as examples. It should be enough just to reference Brees and Rivers..... but I gave like 15 more examples. I also listed every QB drafted over the past 6 years to show that the grass isn't greener, but I guess that's considered"cherry picking", too?

None of this thread mentions Henne being "as good" as "anybody" (nor does it compare him to QBs at the pinnacle of their game). It certainly wasn't in my opening post. I'm sorry that's what you chose to infer from it. This entire thread is about a QB's developmental years and what we can realistically expect to see rather than hoping for perfection after 17 games.


-There were 3 purposes behind the QB's I used:

1. To show that QBs, no matter how great they are, endure ups and downs early on. No cherry picking is needed for this as Marino might be the only exception in NFL history.
2. To show that we don't need a Marino reincarnate to win Super Bowls. Again, no cherry picking needed. History has proven it.
3. To show that we should be happy with what we have b/c there is no guarantee that even a #1 overall pick will pan out.... that the chance for the grass to be greener is slim based on what history has taught us. No cherry picking is needed for this either. There are enough #1 overall QB draftee busts to validate this.

Like I stated in another post, it was pretty obvious that Beck displayed little to no potential. Henne would've eaten him for breakfast.

 

You act like I picked a few random stats with no control to it. I grabbed the ENTIRE 2nd seasons these guys started, and I used important QB stats. Apples to apples. If Bubby Brister posted a 2nd season as good as Marino's, and Bubby were presently entering his 3rd year, then you could suggest that Bubby might have a great future ahead of him.

If you'd like to make your own thread using tons of cherry picked and random stats to skew a point, be my guest. My OP examples were specific.

If you want to have a true rebuttal to this thread than please show me the same stats <and names> of QBs who tore up the league during their 2nd starting season after the league has had a chance to dissect their game. After you do that, you'll have to show that your list carries more weight than the very long list of successful QBs who had average 2nd years.

*and no, these stats weren't cherry picked. IMO the ones I used are significant stats of a 2nd year player. If I had the time to break down 3rd down conversion %, I would've included that too..... but I felt QB rating, TD to INT ratio, Completion %, Yards per attempt, and YPG would suffice.

 

To clarify, I did list their entire 2nd seasons, not just their first 4 games. I used 2nd seasons rather than 1st b/c opponents now have an opportunity to review tape and game plan against them, hence "sophomore slumps". For example, Derek Anderson had a tremendous 1st season full season but flopped there after.

My Rivers example wasn't about the elite QB he became. It was to show that SD did not give up on him after he lost 3 of their first 4 games with a poor performance against a crappy KC team. Yes, he had a great 1st year (despite it being his 3rd season), but in his 2nd season starting, the Chargers were an elite team ready to win a SB, so they could've very easily pulled him after the KC game when their backs were against the wall at 1-3. A 1-3 start can quickly create panic, alter perception, and make us forget about a previous year's performance. Heck, Henne's 2-2 and fans etc are calling for Penny, Thigpen, Vick, or even a 1st round QB in the 2011 draft.