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Let go of the double-standard (BPA)

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by CitizenSnips, Apr 23, 2010.

  1. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    How many people on this board wanted us to draft Dez Bryant or Rolando McClain or C.J. Spiller, players we didn't really need, and then justified it with saying "We should take the BPA."

    Then Miami trades down, gets a very high 2nd rounder, and we end up with Jared Odrick. A DE who was the BPA at our pick. Now there is a backlash cause he doesn't fit a need?

    This is how BPA works. No matter what happens during the picks before you, you take the best player available at your pick. The Dolphins brass had a board of players they liked and as each one goes they cross them off. The guy we took is the guy who was on the top of the board by the time we picked. It's as simple as that.

    We're all for BPA when it's Bryant at 12 but against it when its Odrick at 28. Can't have it all.
     
  2. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    While I agree with the premise of your post, I think McClain is more of a need player than Bryant or CJ Spiller. Just sayin'.
     
  3. rafael

    rafael Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The Dolphins stack their board horizontally, so it's not a pure BPA strategy. It's basically BPA at core positions of need.
     
  4. Onehondo

    Onehondo Senior Member Club Member

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    As usual, we have people declaring him a bad pick before he even has a chance to play a down for the Dolphins. I still remember those who said Jake Long couldn't play LT in the NFL. If Odrick is as good as a lot of people say he is then he will imrove our pressure on the quarterback and play the run well too.
    If we hadn't have made this trade we would all be sitting through the second round wondering who we might of had.
     
  5. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico New Member

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    Bryant - Doesn't hurt to have more than 1 good receiver...

    McClain - Upgrade over Crowder, need more than Dansby in our 3-4

    Spiller - Ronnie is injury prone and has 1 year left, Ricky is getting older

    Our DE's are young and rotate in and out. We could have done better in this draft.
     
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  6. finsincebirth

    finsincebirth Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Our defensive line isn't the best at consistently causing pressure on the quarterback. If Odrick can come in and immediately provide that pressure it will instantly make the secondary and even the linebackers better, because they will have to cover their man for a shorter period of time.
     
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  7. SeanP

    SeanP Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Clearly you haven't picked up on the fact that some people like to complain just for the sake of complaining
     
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  8. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    We lost 16 sacks by losing Porter and Taylor. We needed to pick that back up. Merling and Langford are decent, by nothing special.
     
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  9. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    Bryant - Adding another good receiver doesn't hurt, but with Brandon Marshall on our team now, we can more than afford to wait until the second or even the third.

    McClain - Had he been there at 12, then I'd agree (since I was really hoping he'd still be there). But he was selected before us.

    Spiller - He was selected WAY before us, and there was absolutely NO way he could have been there by our pick.
     
  10. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    It's not a double standard...there are just a lot of people who subscribe to BPA and a lot who subscribe to need picks...

    Personally, I love the pick. Odrick was the BPA at the time and you can't argue with that philosophy...but had they taken need like Hughes or whoever, that woudl have been great too.

    We have 10 more picks...we'll be fine...and if we pick up Kindle and/or Worilds and/or Burnett and/or Misi or some combination thereof, then suddenly this will be a good draft. We'll see how it goes. Heck they could even trade down again and still have a successful draft...
     
  11. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    And clearly many people here have forgotten that the people who complained about boneheaded draft moves under Wannstedt and Cameron were lambasted as "not giviing them a chance." and "just complaining to complain." But somehow when those people were proved right, the ones who were bashing them didn't remember what they had said...
     
  12. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    our DE's in the 3-4 aren't necessarily built to rush the passer
    besides Odrick is a NT project and not a very smart pick IMO
     
  13. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    so you don't think Bill Polian was laughing his azz off when we passed on hughes
    and please don't try to tell me Polian can't recognize a BPA
    not only did we not draft for need but we left the BPA on the board
    lose/lose
     
  14. finsincebirth

    finsincebirth Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ireland himself has said that Odrick will play inside and out. Also they may not be built for it, but I wouldn't discount the importance of needing DE pressure.
     
  15. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    so you think ireland can't recognize bpa?
     
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  16. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    He didn't take who KP wanted, so obviously it was a bad pick and not BPA.
     
  17. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    you know what?
    i really don't know what to think about Ireland's drafting abilities except for he got schooled last night.
    the first thing that came out of mayocks mouth when we dfrafted odrick is the kid is on the ground alot. Then they tell us they are going to use him inside and out. that spells PROJECT to me when starting prospects are being taken around you.
    we will find out what Ireland does today. i'm not expecting much. at least Pat White is not on the board LOL
     
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  18. andres2882

    andres2882 New Member

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    I'm not sure if people are saying he is not a good player and thus a bad pick. I think many people are confused about the need for another DE. This confusion probably stems from how the draft "experts" have pegged his style and capabilities.

    Personally, in his previous role (DT in a 4-3), I think he is a great player. I remember reading about him back in January and people were predicting him being taken in the mid-teens. Still, I was surprised at the pick given our teams "needs." After reading Ireland's comments, though, I am less concerned. My take on what Ireland said is that the team believes he can be used or at least rotated with Solai as esssentially a NT and - if that doesn't work out - they know they have a stud DT. Sounds good to me.

    Would I have rather seen Hughes or Kindle taken? Yes. Of course, today I found out that Kindle may not be able to play until 2011 - which goes to show why the FO doesn't pay much attention to us arm-chair GMs.

    In any case, I don't think that most fans think Odrick sucks - I think they thought that Hughes was equally valid as a BPA and, since he fit a need, would have been a better pick.
     
  19. finsincebirth

    finsincebirth Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If Kindle does indeed need surgery and could be out for the year you guys would be flipping a **** if we took him at 28
     
  20. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico New Member

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    Yeah those guys weren't on the board when we picked but I think the OP was referring to what alot of folks wanted prior to the draft that weren't entirely need positions which is why those names were brought up.

    Here's to Odrick being a HOFer! :wink2:
     
  21. TotoreMexico

    TotoreMexico Your retarded

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    How do you know that? Did you see Polian's draft board or what?
     
  22. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    I took this picture of polian's draft board

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  23. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    bad argument
    polians history for nailing picks speaks for itself
     
  24. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Polian would have taken Odrick if we had taken Hughes. who cares.
     
  25. TotoreMexico

    TotoreMexico Your retarded

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    Ha! I saw posts like:

    "It was a bad trade and a bad pick."

    "another dum move if you ask me"

    "Odrick won't be special he will just be another one of those mediocre guys"
     
  26. TotoreMexico

    TotoreMexico Your retarded

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    I guess that means no...
     
  27. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Maybe, the FO figured Dobbins had everything any LB we could've drafted, had? Maybe with Nolan were going more 4-3? Maybe Odrick, allows an end to come inside and be a NT, like Starks?
     
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  28. USArmyFinFan

    USArmyFinFan NOBO

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    add maybe we should at least see the kid in pads before sticking a fork in him....
     
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  29. unluckyluciano

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    I think when you think about it we basically switched 4ths and gave up a 6th for a guy who has started in the league, and fills a need.
     
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  30. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Neither of which says he's a bad player...just that he's not the player we should have taken.
     
  31. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    and yet we are yet to see any opinions from you.
    posters like that crack me up
    you run around trying to pick apart other peoples opinions but don't lend your take on the issue
     
  32. USArmyFinFan

    USArmyFinFan NOBO

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    what if he is?
     
  33. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Then I'm wrong and I will be happy about it. But if I thought he were, I wouldn't be saying he's not.
    I've been wrong before, hopefully I am now. But I've been right before too...
     
  34. TotoreMexico

    TotoreMexico Your retarded

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    Saying it's "a bad pick" and a "dum move" means he's not a bad player? :huh:
     
  35. USArmyFinFan

    USArmyFinFan NOBO

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    Well brother, I hate to break it to you, your wrong on this one...:shifty:
     
  36. Vaark

    Vaark Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium

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    Odrick fits a specific Nolan scheme, according to Darlington.
    http://twitter.com/Jeff_Darlington/status/12713411349

    No less than Joe Pa calls him one of the best DLs to ever come out of Penn State. He was the Big Ten Defensive Lineman of the year. There's evidence the jest was targeting him and having him line up against us would have been far worse than us facing a redundant corner. He can play inside on pass rush downs. The coaching staff fell in love with him at the Senior Bowl after seeing him up close and personal. Finally, and hopefully most persuasively, there's no way this pick would have been made without the approval or initiative of our Defensive Guru, who was Master Po when Rex was the grasshopper, so if it's good enough for him, it's good enough for me. If you don't think he knew that Hughes was out there as an option, you're just naive.

    It's okay to bellyache and time will tell if the critics are right or will be force-fed humble pie, but when the firestorm of criticism seems to be predicated on knee jerk reactions, little knowledge of context and defensive plans, belief you're more savvy than one of the best league DCs, and unfamiliarity with a surprise pick, sorry but that bandwagon is leaving the station without me!


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  37. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    It doesn't mean he's a bad player. Not sure what you don't understand about that.
     
  38. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Unfortunately, you can't know that at this point.
     
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  39. TotoreMexico

    TotoreMexico Your retarded

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    You know what cracks me up? Posters who like to make **** up, that's what cracks me up.

    Oh and btw, I'm okay with the pick, we drafted bpa for our scheme, don't be mad at me for not saying he will be a mediocre player before he even plays a single game with the Dolphins.
     
  40. Caps

    Caps Movimiento Juvenil

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    The Colts are gonna play Hughes at DE, whether he turns out to be a good pick or not is irrelevant to us passing on him because he would have played a completely different role.

    I like Odrick as a player, I think he'll be a big part of our future. I'm a little disappointed we didn't pick up an OLB, but I don't think Hughes could have played SOLB very well, which is what I feel we need.
     

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