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"Legitimate" possibility Adam Gase is fired after Buffalo game, per Ian Rapoport

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by thetylernator, Dec 30, 2018.

  1. Deus ex dolphin

    Deus ex dolphin Well-Known Member

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    Too many problems go back to questionable coaching. Gase can't get the team to rise up for him either. Watching the game today, I see a team that has checked out, with no concern for saving Gase's job.
     
  2. Alan in England

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    a late Christmas present if he goes ( and even better if RT is booted out with him)
     
  3. Tin Indian

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    Seems after this game Tannenbaum, Tannehill and Gase will be on the unemployment line. They honestly should be though I still have reservations about sending Gase down the road for some reason.
     
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  4. Vertical Limit

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    Based on what? There is good candidates out there. And what good is a 7-9 season anyways? I rather be 1-15 than 7-9.
     
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  5. tirty8

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    John Harbaugh makes us respectable overnight. Do what it takes to get him.
     
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  6. Surfs Up 99

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    Read on twitter that Dave Hyde is saying Tannenbaum and Grier probably will fly home with Ross. He thought it odd since it was thought Ross would strategize on the direction of the team on the way back and it was reported Tannenbaum would be let go. Would anybody be upset if Ross doesn't fire Tannenbaum? I would be seriously disappointed in myself for getting my hopes up.
     
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  7. Surfs Up 99

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    If you get a chance, watch the TD pass from Mayfield to Landry at the beginning of the 3rd quarter in today’s game against the Ravens. I would like to hear what you think.
     
  8. Dolphin Dundee

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    Landry dropped 2 TD passes already. Why people on here dismiss Mayfields talents are beyond me and they just come across as bitter.
     
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  9. brandon27

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    I remember similar stories and comments back when we brought Parcells on board too.

    Nothing is guaranteed.
     
  10. texanphinatic

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    Jimmy too.

    That said, Harbs is a legit good coach and leading a very resurgent team right now. Quite a few differences between bringing him in as a coach vs. the Parcells thing. There were plenty of folks talking about how the game had gone past Bill and that he would be a bad hire.

    Harbaugh is signed for next year though, so we would have to trade from him and ... no.
     
  11. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Depending on the cost... I'd strongly consider it.

    The guy is a good coach. He can attract a good staff. He's respected by his players. He may not have instant success because this roster is a complete mess and lacks depth, so there'd be an overhaul period. Issue is, will people be patient with it... You can';t keep making changes every three years and expect success right away. That's the thing here IMO, if we pull off a trade for Harbaugh, you've got to be invested for at least 5 years IMO. Especially if you're giving up a 1 somewhere.
     
  12. jeremy2020

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    I get the feeling he's staying.
     
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  13. Fame

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    It works like this:

    Step 1 - Watch Miami Dolphins football game. (Most likely not at the game. Probably out of state. No money spent on team.)
    Step 2 - Get angry that we don't score a TD on every drive.
    Step 3 - Blame <insert anyone>.
    Step 4 - All future thoughts, concepts, ideas, plans, or conversations now revolve around the idea that <insert anyone> needs to be fired/cut. This person is blamed for everything, regardless of whether or not it makes sense.
    Step 5 - Reason and rational thinking are ignored. All effort goes into complaining until said person is fired.
    Step 6 - Repeat.
    Step 7 - Complain about being average all the time.
     
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  14. mooseguts

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    The team clearly quit on him, they gave very little effort. If for some reason Gase stays on next season is going to be terrible, once you lose the team it's time to move on.
     
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  15. Fame

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    Basically, because the team he built prior to everyone getting injured was really, really good.

    We all know that 2018 brought with it a metric ton of horrible bad luck, but it wasn't immediate. Oh no, the injuries only started to show up in weeks 4 and 5. Before that though, the team was absolutely electric. We were young, fast, unpredictable and exciting to watch. We won close games. We won tough games. We won the longest game in the history of the NFL and showed we can adapt and deal with tough situations. Before the bad luck hit, we looked awesome and it's a shame everyone is forgetting that the team we saw today and the team we tried to field this year are about as far apart as humanly possible. If Gase is responsible for all the bad stuff, then certainly he's also responsible for what we saw in the weeks BEFORE the injuries piled up and THAT is a team I really, really want to see more of.

    Fact is, even in a really, really down year we still went 7-9. To most casual fans, that's an epic failure, when in reality I see this season as something we can build on. Where everyone else sees mediocrity, I see a team that was a couple wins away from the playoffs despite playing with bad backups for most of the season. Blowing it up now just seems so stupid, when the team that was supposed to be on the field looked amazing before being replaced by goons.

    We don't know yet what Adam Gase's ceiling is, but this season shows me that Adam Gase has a pretty good floor. He was able to convince a half dead and all the way injured team to claw out 7 wins, most notable of which is one of the greatest football memories of my life against the Patriots.
     
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  16. Fame

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    That's like one of those old baseball sayings that sounds smart but in reality means absolutely nothing. It's like a scout saying a player has no confidence because his girlfriend is ugly. It means nothing in the long run and it's most likely not even true.
     
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  17. brandon27

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    That's the only thing giving me reservations about replacing Gase at this point. Things looked really, really good early on when this roster was healthy.
     
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  18. Serpico Jones

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    Mike Florio says it’s leaning in the direction of Gase being fired.
     
  19. Serpico Jones

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    The team quit on Gase. Just read or listen to the post-game comments.
     
  20. texanphinatic

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    I said it earlier, and perhaps it's just a jaded sentiment based on how the season turned out, but I feel that basing too much on those first 3 games is kind of a foolhardy errand.

    I mean, the first 4ish games of a season are always in flux. You always see unexpected teams start fast and then get shunted away. You see perennial contenders like the Pats look like also-rans ... and then they get their **** together and beat us by 500. Teams are out of whack, people are settling into roles. Coaches may not be opening the playbook all the way, etc.

    Further, we played a similarly mediocre Titans team in a marathon opener. You may say it shows overcoming adversity, others may say it gave us a better shot than we may have had otherwise. It was a fluke. Games 2-3 were against horrifically bad teams. Our defense played WELL above their heads statistically (especially w/ regard to redzone) and crashed the next week. Two of our 3 were at home where we were solid all season. We won by 7, 8 and 8. Solid, but not spectacular. And then it fell apart.
     
  21. Fame

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    What is the more reliable metric upon which to judge the team:

    1) Judging the fully healthy team.
    2) Judging the fully injured team.
     
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  22. Irishman

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    Would it be more accurate to say what was left of the team quit on him? There can be many reasons for a guy to be a second or third tier player and I suspect lack of heart in tough times may be the problem many of them have in common.
     
  23. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Neither, you take the whole.
     
  24. Fame

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    So neither is more reliable? You think it's grossly unfair to say "Before the entire team was injured, they looked pretty good"? Instead the only fair statement is "As a whole, the team looked mediocre. Nothing was either good or bad."?
     
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  25. Serpico Jones

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    It’s December in the NFL, all the players are hurt. The Eagles won a Super Bowl with a backup quarterback.
     
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  26. texanphinatic

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    No, neither alone is reliable. You are setting up a false argument here - it's not an either/or. You have to take into account everything.

    It is absolutely unfair to judge a team based on 3 games, early in the season, against bad competition, with more games at home than on the road. It is absolutely fair to include a judgement of those games in the whole of the season. It is fair to come to the conclusion that our QB and/or coach were lacking through the course of a season.

    Injuries happen. Every year. You can't judge a team if you can't judge a team dealing with injury - that's just excuse making.
     
  27. Fame

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    Then its unfair to judge a team at all, ever. You're simply setting arbitrary limits on things like three games being too little, or that the early season doesn't matter at all, or that the teams were bad. Why are you only putting limits on things that hurt your argument? Why is the injury concern not regarded with the same gravity as those other limiting factors?

    I would say injuries that occurred after that 3-game stretch impacted this team far, far, far more than any other issue. Therefore it seems quite reasonable to evaluate that stretch independently, or at the very least if things must be taken only as a whole then it's patently unfair to judge ANY of the games because they're all tainted by varying factors.

    If it's not fair to extrapolate from 3 games, why is it fair to extrapolate from an injured, incomplete team the remaining 13 games?
     
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  28. Fame

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    So you're saying Brock Lobster and Nick Foles are similarly talented and were surrounded by similar talent out on the field?

    Interesting. If that's true you're probably our top candidate to replace Tannenbaum.
     
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  29. texanphinatic

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    What? This is nonsense.

    I've said multiple times that you need to judge the whole. YOU are the one judging the team on an arbitrary three games. I was pointing out why that is shortsighted.

    I never said it didn't. You are making a completely false argument here. Injuries can and should be a part of judging a team.

    I would say bad QB play and coaching, but you do you. Injuries did happen. It affected us. I will not deny this reality, but I will also not use it to excuse bad play, coaching, scheming, etc.

    That's why you try and take everything into account instead of just making blanket statements.

    You don't take one without the other.
     
  30. Fame

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    We need to work on your comprehension. It's literally impossible to continue a conversation when the other person breaks it into 15 individual and unconnected thoughts.
     
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  31. texanphinatic

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    Dude. All I am saying is that those magical first 3 games had a lot of mitigating factors that we should take into account before declaring it to be the clear genius of Adam Gase in action.
     
  32. Fame

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    There are mitigating factors that change every 25 seconds in the NFL. Taking a peak at block sets of data within the whole is not only done on a regular basis in all walks of life, but it can illuminating on various levels. Grouping like items (such as games with outcome altering injuries and those without), is a useful tool in evaluating the whole. Those 3 games aren't arbitrary; they are concurrent, they are similarly coached, and they mark a specific point after which things were very different.
     
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  33. texanphinatic

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    And they have definite mitigating factors and represent only a small and flawed sample of the season as a whole. It's fine to judge them as a block - it's not fine to essentially disregard the rest of the season in making a judgement on the coach and whomever else you want.

    Throw the same challenge to New England - through three games it looked like they were finished. The rest is history.

    If you want to solely blame injuries, then you do you. I don't and won't. I saw plenty of negative from Gase and Tannehill even accounting for injury in my opinion. You want to disagree, sure thing.
     
  34. danmarino

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    The NFL is filled with uncertainties.

    A good HC overcomes uncertainties.

    Gase blames uncertainties.

    Gase is someone who knows football, but can't teach football. He's the type of coach who needs things perfect in order to win. Rarely are things perfect. He may be able to devise the greatest plays ever, but if his players can't execute what good is it? If RT or Drake or Parker can't execute the plays he likes, and he's unable to deviate from those plays, then he's a bad coach.
     
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  35. Sceeto

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    Reality is just a blur of probabilities.
     
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  36. Colmax

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    I disagree with this. The first few games are always sort of a feeling out period in the NFL. Just look at the Indianapolis Colts, who looked pretty bad at the beginning of the season, but have been my dark horse pick to win the Super Bowl for several weeks now.

    While Miami went 3-0, the team had zero identity other than flash plays. I had this gut feeling that, regardless of injury, Miami had no staying power playing that way. They needed stability, of which they had none. I like Gase, I like Tannehill, but sometimes, you kind of have to wonder if this team, in this particular situation, is going to take a turn? I think Tannehill getting hammered the past few weeks hurt him (like, physically) to where it made him look like a bad QB. A healthy Tannehill is a good QB, IMO; but he alone is not going to overcome injuries or deficiencies. Great QBs do that. Tannehill, as much as I love the guy, is not great. He’s very solid with good protection, because his escapability leaves a lot to be desired. But I would not be against him being a Dolphin next year.

    Gase, who can whip up dynamic plays with the best of them, I think puts too much effort into overthinking things when the game isn’t going the way he thinks it should go. I totally disagree with him sitting on the bench when the game is being played. I get that it helps him concentrate, but the game is so fast, you have to be a head coach and do things on the fly sometimes. Football isn’t always that hard. If he were winning, I could deal with it, but he’s not. And you are judged by the product on the field, damn the excuses or injuries. I also get this feeling that he doesn’t trust his players to just play. I feel like he’s trying to outscheme instead of just letting his guys play football.

    I like both Gase and Tannehill, and part of me wants them back next year. Another part of me thinks I’ve seen it all from each.

    I think, like everyone else, we just want a respectable franchise. Just give up the first round pick for Harbaugh already, and please keep Darren Rizzi!
     
  37. Dolphins1372

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    Lmao. This guy wraps up the game today.
     
  38. adamprez2003

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    Only one team out of twelve made the playoffs with more people on IR than us. That's less then 10%
     
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  39. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Also people like to pop off injury numbers with no context, just to add to your point.

    Our QB, WR and OL were all decimated AT THE SAME TIME.

    PLEASE anyone show me another team with the SIGNIFICANT injuries to starters we had.
     
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  40. resnor

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    So you believe that gameplans are unaffected by injuries? You can't seriously believe that backups should be expected to come in and perform at the same level as starters...right? So when you lose 3 of 5 starting linemen, there's going to be a big dropoff. If backups could play as well as starters, THEY WOULDN'T BE BACKUPS. And we can go through receivers, DBs, etc.
     

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