Having a bad line is not a reason he took sacks. Was an excuse. Brady had a worst line but was able to read defenses and kbow where pressure was coming from to avoid sacks- fact Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Brady did not have a worse oline. You are literally just inventing that. Brady could audible. Do you understand why QBs audible?
The mayor fact that we have to have so many post to defend this quarterback, let me know there's a bigger problem. Go on the New England Patriots board a Green Bay Packers board or another board like Philadelphia, and see if they're debating their quarterback. We debate linebackers defensive ends and quarterbacks because frankly they are ?'s Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
So far, I've asked for you to provide a clear definition and you haven't. I've asked you to provide facts, and you haven't. In fact, your biggest point so far is that other teams don't complain about their QB, therefore, Thill is the problem here. Your opinion is yours and you have the right to have it, but maybe don't argue it if you have no idea what facts & definitions are. Also maybe don't argue football stuff if you can't even explain some of these simple concepts.
so what is your opinion? Because I will tell you soon, after you peel back the layers of the onion, all that might be left is qb
You still haven't said anything substantive or based in facts. Literally nothing. You make vague proclamations and nothing else. Please explain how a QB is supposed to counter a consistent pass rush when the defense knows it won't be a run, you can't audible out of it, the interior of your line has two of the worst guards in the history of the league and on top of it, there's a jailbreak causing all of your avenues to escape on foot to be closed off?
The same way the Pats did it w/o a run game in prior seasons and with their guards Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
The patriots have always run the ball a ton. Even when Brady had that one record breaking season, they ran the ball a ton. It's simply not true that they aren't committed to the run.
My opinion is that we drafted a raw QB with a ton of upside, who needed development. We gave him crappy coaches, terrible oline, no run game, and mediocre receivers. He progressed every year, yet fans continued to bash him because he wasn't Marino, and ignored the fact that he wasn't put in a position to succeed.
In 2014 when NE won the super bowl, Miami's rush offe se was better than NE - 12 vs 18 In 2016 NE was 7 Miami was 9. NE almost forced the run because their ypc was 3.9 vs Miami's 4.5. NE rushed nearly 80 more times. Maybe that was when Brady was out Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
And? I'm disputing your assertion that the Patriots don't run the ball. They do. It's not simply "Tom Effing Brady!!!" (Imitation of typical Pats fan, no tquoting anyone in this thread)
Guess what? The guards wont get any better exponentially any time soon. So what does that mean for RT? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
No, it's not. This is extremely lazy analysis, shows a compete lack of understanding of the game, and does nothing to further the discussion. I'll not argue with you, as you're clearly not willing to listen to opposing viewpoints.
NE is who they are because of Brady. We dont have even close to a qb like that in house. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I just do not fathom how people still want to say Tannehill is the problem with this team, isnt a good QB or isnt elite enough for them. The numbers on him do not bare this out. He was more than just good enough last year. He is clearly the best QB we have had under center since Dan retired outside of maybe one season of Pennington and he was easily better than him last year. It's like they think Elite QB's are rife for the taking and all you have to do is walk outside the stadium and pluck one out of the ground. I would be willing to bet that over half the teams in the league would love to have him instead of their current QB situation. He will put up top ten numbers this year and I can guarantee the same guys on here will still be complaining about him.
There is a difference between "had" and "has". That's lazy accusations. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You had better add Their coach into that assessment. Seems to me they still win just fine when Brady is not under center.
I never said he was the problem. I am rooting for him lol. But he does have huge flaws that may cause Miami to look elsewhere. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Because this is a long debate it only solidifies my argument. Thank you Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
What are you talking about? 2015 rushing attempts: NE 25th MI 32nd 2014 rushing attempts: NE 13th MI 22nd 2013 rushing attempts: NE 9th MI 29th 2012 rushing attempts: NE 2nd MI 14th tied Again, facts, prove your stance wrong. You have a perception about NE not running the ball, yet they have run the ball more than Miami EVERY year Thill has been here. Do you understand how facts are different than your perception? Do you see how your opinion is closer to an excuse than a reason?
I asked you specific questions. Please answer some or all of them before asking me any of your own. Thank you.
What? I have been talking about attempts. Jesus, do you even understand why attempts are important for this discussion?
Do you have evidence that it's right? If not, don't call people out for disagreeing with your pom pom waving.
There are about 5 to 6 people on this board your argument will never be solidified to. They are extremists not realists. You either blame anything and everything around 17, or you are against them. It's childish that's laughable but it's the reality of this board. No way!! No way could he have been a flawed quarterback coming up in a flawed environment.... that just wouldn't make any sense now would it. No way he could get better and improve, it's not like Adam Gase has made a career of reviving quarterbacks or anything. He's always been a top 10 QB, it's just been someone else as the reason he hasn't played like it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Ryan Tannehill must improve or he will get kicked out the door. Period. Stats schamts. He is mediocre and even worst against our div Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Fin, I've been arguing for years that Tannehill was raw (you say flawed, same thing), and that his environment was not conducive to winning. The difference is, some in here have expected Tannehill to somehow magically win tons of games, and have blamed Tannehill for our records, while I've tried to explain why that is incredibly unfair.
Ok, let's try it this way..... Is it reasonable for a QB to have 1-5 games learning a new offense before showing good results? Yes or no? Real simple question.
I'd also like people to notice, those of us who have been called trolls are the ones presenting an actual argument, while others are simply spouting theories with zero proof. Key, I wasn't trying to be a jerk, I just honestly don't see how that post was in any way constructive. You called the entire thing into question, while simultaneously saying you had no reason to doubt what it was saying.
Wasn't it cbrad, or maybe Pauly, who showed that total rushing offense isn't what's important, it's the number of rushes, because then defenses can't get lazy and only defend the pass?
A domain name is twenty bucks. Hosting is as low as $39 for the first year. Anyone who wants to have a reputable website invests the $59 and doesn't use free ad-supported hosting. I question ANY SITE trying to give authority advice when they're too cheap to invest $6 a month. I know that's not constructive to you because it doesn't support your agenda. But you don't get to decide what everyone on the site thinks or reads...despite your numerous attempts to do just that. And just so you know, posting something to the internet does not make it proof.
No you are trolling I am an RT fan. However, his non throwing decisions based on film lt stats are mediocre Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Jesus effing christ..... I try to enter into a rational discussion with you and instead you spin the **** out and refuse to answer questions, provide facts or even make a single actual point based on anything other than child-like emotion, to the point you literally just said, "I know you are but what am I". Grow the **** up and have big boy discussions or go away.
