Lazor must grow as a OC

Offense played well enough to win this one

Didn't have an issue with playcalling except I think you should take 1 deep shot there in the 2nd half. I did see Tannehill look deep a couple times and go short, so maybe it just wasn't there. Who knows.

Either way, the big explosive plays are still lacking. At some point, you're gonna need some quick scores to keep a defense on its heels. That's Tannehill/Lazor's next step.

Sometimes the best Defense is our offense keeping Peyton off the field. Defense was a travesty today. Got nothing from our DE's.....our linebackers were pathetic, Jones did nothing, it was a **** show. However.....if we control the clock, run the ball more, and keep Peyton off the field, it would have helped.

Can't be mad at 36 points.....but the opposing team scored 39....it's all for nothing.

"ForgotMahArrows wrote:

Don't count on Rex Ryan "shaking free" from the Jets this off-season. The owner of that team is in love with him and his media-catering personality. Despite the crappy season, he'll get one more season at least.

That's not necessarily true. Idzik is on the hot seat just as much as Ryan. If the jets continue to lose they're both out. Not even the jets are so incompetent as to stick a second GM with the same embedded coach. They took a pretty good amount of heat for doing it the first time; they would get wrecked for doing it again.

"HardKoreXXX wrote:

Didn't have an issue with playcalling except I think you should take 1 deep shot there in the 2nd half. I did see Tannehill look deep a couple times and go short, so maybe it just wasn't there. Who knows.

Either way, the big explosive plays are still lacking. At some point, you're gonna need some quick scores to keep a defense on its heels. That's Tannehill/Lazor's next step.

I think it would have been a mistake to go for quick strikes yesterday. Has SICK just said, the best defense against Manning is keeping him off the field.

"Fin D wrote:

I think it would have been a mistake to go for quick strikes yesterday. Has SICK just said, the best defense against Manning is keeping him off the field.

I agree but at the same time if we hit one, even if its not a TD it loosens up the defense for the run game. That could have helped.

"jw3102 wrote:

It is unbelievable that anyone would blame any part of this loss on Lazor or the offense. He was the OC who called the plays which led to the offense scoring 36 points.

That should have been enough to win if the defense had played merely an average game, instead of their worst game in years.

I certainly haven't always agreed with the game plans implemented by Lazor in every game this season, but it did appear the Broncos defensive coaches made changes at halftime to stop the Dolphins running game.
The injury to James also depleted the Dolphins offensive line and that was another reason the rushing game wasn't as effective in the second half.

Personally I don't care if they ever run the ball again, if they can put 36 points on the scoreboard every week.

The defense needs to step up and do their job when they go against the better teams in the NFL. They were the problem today. It certainly wasn't Lazor and the Dolphins offensive game plan.

Its not unbelievable, I'd read the **** you post.

If they adjusted, then guess what our coaches can also make adjustments. Lazor's gameplan was part of the problem in the second half.

"TooGoodForDez wrote:

100% correct. Lazor is a knucklehead, his unbalanced playcalling has cost us games 4 games this year. Our record this year is subjected to his learning whims.

foh with that

"Conuficus wrote:

Its not unbelievable, I'd read the **** you post.

If they adjusted, then guess what our coaches can also make adjustments. Lazor's gameplan was part of the problem in the second half.

I'm glad you have taken the time to read the **** I've posted. I appreciate it. Just so you don't feel disappointed, I also take the time to read the **** you post.

Blame Lazor if it makes you feel better, but when the offense scores 36 points and the team still loses, this loss was all about the defense and how ineffective it was for the entire last three quarters of the game.

"Alex44 wrote:

I agree but at the same time if we hit one, even if its not a TD it loosens up the defense for the run game. That could have helped.

Good point.

I've been really critical of Lazor, but I think his second half wasn't a particularly big issue.

There was one single drive in the 3rd quarter. There was one punt in the 4th quarter, an interception, and then a touchdown. When I was watching it I felt like they got a little bit conservative, but I think the fact that the Broncos slowed the game down so well and ran so many long, time-killing drives magnified issues.

I don't get the hatred for Miller. Dude is running hard, and has a good average. He was smoking them in the first half. At one point he was averaging like 8 yards a carry or something. It's hard to break one to the house when there's not much blocking at the second level. Miller is doing just fine. I'd like to see him get more carries, though. Too many Dolphins fans have "grass is greener" syndrome. They always think there's a better coach out there, no matter what we have, or there's a better running back buried on our roster, or a better receiver, or a better QB, or a better whatever. Here's a novel idea: the guys getting the play time are the ones showing the coaches that they give the team the best chance at winning. I don't think there's a coach out there who isn't playing guys who are better just because they don't want to play them.

Oh yeah, this loss is COMPLETELY on the defense. All of it. Every last drop of it.

A lot of stingers yesterday. That was frustrating to see them gashing us up the middle like that and us not being able to run. It was a good blocking scheme, they had an extra blocker on our DT's and Coyle dropped the ball and didn't adjust once. It's frustrating when you have a player like Wilson and our back ups and drafts have not been adequately developed to come in and seat that guy when he's complete crap and penalties. That's on Philbin for not developing Aikens and Will Davis and injuries are a part of it we let our top strength and conditioning coach go and it's showing up here late in the season.

"JMHPhin wrote:

Defense lost this game period

When you score 36 and still lose............................................................................

Missed tackles. How many yds did Denver pick up after first contact? ;)

"DeDolfan wrote:

Missed tackles. How many yds did Denver pick up after first contact? ;)

A Whoooooooole lotta yards!

"JMHPhin wrote:

Defense lost this game period

"jw3102 wrote:

I'm glad you have taken the time to read the **** I've posted. I appreciate it. Just so you don't feel disappointed, I also take the time to read the **** you post.

Blame Lazor if it makes you feel better, but when the offense scores 36 points and the team still loses, this loss was all about the defense and how ineffective it was for the entire last three quarters of the game.

I didn't blame the offense for the loss. If you did actually read what I typed then you would be able to understand this portion of the topic. What I said was "it would help shorten the game a bit" which would have at least let the defense that was being dragged up and down the field see the field less. I never said in any way that he was the reason we lost, I just said that I don't like how we go away from the run; which we do, and more often than just this game as well.

So tell you what you go find anything I said that the offense was directly responsible for this loss. I wish you luck. Maybe that's why I called your response "****"? Perhaps?

If you're make a point of responding to points, it would at the least behoove you to make a response that actually addressed what was said, not what you managed to add to it so that you have something to complain about.

And for the posters who thanked your post, I'd love any of them to show me where I directly blamed the offense for losing the game. All fo you just thanked a post that criticized an idea that was never put forth to begin with. It's a crying shame.

"JMHPhin wrote:

Defense lost this game period

"Ohio Fanatic wrote:

He doesn't need to grow as OC. He saw that Denver was stuffing the run and he called the plays to keep the offense moving.

If he continued to call running plays and likely result of more punts because of the way Denver was playing defense, people here would be screaming that we were too conservative. If people want to point fingers, there are 10 guys on defense that you can point at (I'm leaving out Grimes because Manning seem to rarely throw his way)

Could you please find any phrase that directly points a finger at anyone? I never his playcalling cost us the game, I just said I didn't like how we deviated from the run. It doesn't mean we have to run it 20 times, but there were times where we had an opportunity to do so and elected to pass. For instance, when we got the punt muff back and instead of even attempting to run there, we throw two passes in a row and then we get bailed out on the third straight throw via penalty. So rather than using our run game to get the clock going after we had a rather unsuccessful drive where we threw the ball on 6 out of 8 plays we continue to throw the ball. We had one run after the penalty which got the clock moving again. The first three plays after the muff used 15 seconds.

Thats just an example of what I am talking about. So on that sequence we threw the ball 10 times and ran it 3. Does that really make sense if we have a lead, and did we really give Denver an opportunity to stop the run, or did we help them by simple not doing it? And, again, that isn't saying the offense lost us the game, its just an illustration of where we could improve and help win games in other ways - especially when our defense did literally nothing to stop anyone on the last two drives especially. But I am off base with this?

Really?

"JMHPhin wrote:

Defense lost this game period

"Alex44 wrote:

Part of why we didnt run...was because it was swallowed up every time we tried in the second half. Our pass game kept the clock moving. We scored 36 points.

Really? Read above you and tell me they shut us down ans much as we simply made it easy for them to do so by not calling them.

When you say several times that we had the lead and didn't run, and talk about Lazor having to improve, or certainly gives everyone the impression that your view that we lost because we didn't run the ball, thereby running the clock, thereby giving Peyton less time to runs plays and score tds. If that wasn't your intent, then you have a funny way of writing about the part of the team that is dokey responsible for this loss. Hint, you didn't talk about them once in the post.

"Conuficus wrote:

Miller had 6 carries for 5 yards in the second half of this game. Lazor must in my view run the ball more often than 21 times in a game like this.

Does anyone else see the problem with these two statements? Or is 1.2 yards per carry the new NFL standard for success when you're getting shut down?

Six carries, five yards, and the offense couldn't do anything. So we change strategies, open up some passing lanes, and march down for a TD to pull us within 4. On the 2 point conversion, we could have ran...sure...but we didn't and converted. Going pass-heavy was our only chance to win and IT WAS THE RIGHT CALL. But let's blame the OC anyway because darn, somebody lost 1.6 points in their fantasy league because Miller didn't run enough. That's why we're all here, after all....how dare the Fins try to actually win...

"JMHPhin wrote:

Defense lost this game period

"KeyFin wrote:

Does anyone else see the problem with these two statements? Or is 1.2 yards per carry the new NFL standard for success when you're getting shut down?

Six carries, five yards, and the offense couldn't do anything. So we change strategies, open up some passing lanes, and march down for a TD to pull us within 4. On the 2 point conversion, we could have ran...sure...but we didn't and converted. Going pass-heavy was our only chance to win and IT WAS THE RIGHT CALL. But let's blame the OC anyway because darn, somebody lost 1.6 points in their fantasy league because Miller didn't run enough. That's why we're all here, after all....how dare the Fins try to actually win...

Dude read above. We ran the ball 3 times in the third quarter. If we simply go away from it after three carries - 2 of which were positive then the question remains; did Denver really stop us or did we stop ourselves? 3 carries isn't enough to say they stopped us or forced us to abandon it. So by the same logic we should go run happy if we throw the ball 3 times in a quarter and it doesn't produce outstanding results? I'm sorry but it doesn't pass the test of 'the other team stopping us' it falls more into we stopped ourselves.

We threw it 10 times and ran it 3 in the third quarter. That's 3 to 1 in favor of one side over the other. If we ran it ten, twelve times (which would still be less than the first half) and had mediocre results then fine, but to run it 3 times then go away from it early in the fourth just doesn't seem sensible. The run game gives you results of 1,2 or negative yardage plays, it just does, but you don't move away from it after 3 tries in a quarter.

Also we did run it on our conversion Daniel Thomas carried it.

You disagree with my premise, hey more power to you, but save the insults for when you feel like circle jerking your buddies on a Saturday night. Alright there sunshine? Cause the ending of your post is just asinine, I'm sorry but it is.

And, as I have said to several others who have yet to find it, I'd love for someone to find where I attributed the loss to Lazor. I just said he needs to grow, and he does. He goes away from the run for no reason for stretches of games - hence the use of the word 'often' in the first sentence - meaning I'm confounded by this trait more than once, which no one has yet to pick up on. And, to me that is just not sensible.

Especially here. Why? You bring in new Ol and have them pass block? It's a widely known axiom that its easier to run block than pass protect, so going to the pass is a bit counter intuitive in terms of the norm or anticipated ease of which one is accomplished over the other. 3 runs versus 10 passes in a quarter. 3 attempts is not enough to say that Denver stopped us. How? We only did it 3 times in the quarter, three times. Not when we're behind, but when we are leading. 3.

But I shouldn't say we should run it more? Did I say we should run it 15 times? Damn give me 7 runs and guess what we'd have equal pass versus run. I mean is that insane? It keeps the clock moving against one of the best the game has ever seen and helps a defense regroup. Not that the defense would have done much with it, but if thats the wory, then all the more reason to not stop the clock. And, if people say Tannehill was hot, then he's still exploit the options, which may have increased by running as a play fake may have meant something, if only that they know you actually have run it rather than simply stopped.

This is not directed at just you, but people need to read. Seriously.

If you can't separate a post that assesses no blame to anyone for the loss by the way, from one saying this lead to us losing or 'x' caused us to lose or 'x' should and we'd have won then I have no idea what to say. I am not responsible for people that can't separate the two, they come in different forms and should be easy to recognize.

Just because you have success does not mean you are exempt from constructive cristisism. We all know better